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Judethz
(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 05/20/2020 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people seek for other explanations, no matter how implausible, to explain away the fact that we are in the early stages of Judgement, because that would mean acknowledging that Jesus Christ and God exist. I personally can testify that Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. is true. About two weeks ago I took about a 100 mile round taxi trip to greater Manchester (a city of about 3 million) during a busy time of the day. On the way there we did not stop once for a traffic light or for any other reason but to for stop signs. No doubt many of you will chime in to say that I'm being silly because the UK was on Corvid 19 lockdown etc, etc. Never the less this passage was written in the Old Testament nearly 4,000 years ago and it has come to pass. Not one of us can even guarantee their next breath, so those of you who continue on in your wilful ignorance do so at peril of losing your soul. Last Edited by Judethz on 05/22/2020 06:02 PM |
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User ID: 78503126 United States 05/20/2020 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time is late, have FAITH in Jesus Christ. Time is almost up. Admit you are a sinner and need a Saviour! [link to www.nowtheendbegins.com (secure)] Jesus Christ is the only way to Salvation. 1 Corinthians 1611 AV KJ Bible Chapter 15 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78296079 United States 05/20/2020 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :bridec: Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.:4horseman: Quoting: Judethz Hab 3:5 If you are still here after the Rapture then it was because you ignored all the warnings, and where not right with the Lord when it happened. You may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint because you could be wiped out in an instant by a nuclear bomb or some other means. And that would be it as far as you are concerned. There are many people with a blasé attitude why have latched onto all kinds of lying doctrines, because they want to have their cake and eat it. And that is something that is going to work against you. Its also because you did not do the ONE THING He asked you to do over and over in almost every single book of the bible and other books, namely, Matthew 19:17... I know... excuses excuses. Have fun in the Great Tribulum! |
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User ID: 76558269 United States 05/20/2020 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. Quoting: Judethz Hab 3:5 If you are still here after the Rapture then it was because you ignored all the warnings, and where not right with the Lord when it happened. You may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint because you could be wiped out in an instant by a nuclear bomb or some other means. And that would be it as far as you are concerned. There are many people with a blasé attitude why have latched onto all kinds of lying doctrines, because they want to have their cake and eat it. And that is something that is going to work against you. This is the problem with "Free Will" believers. They think they saved themselves by "accepting" the Lord into their filthy hearts by their own choice. They believe that, as spiritually dead people, they brought themselves to life by saying a sinner's prayer. Many of them are modern-day Pharisees who vehemently deny that they are Pharisees. More than likely, most will find themselves turning away from Jesus when they find themselves standing in the shoes of tribulation saints, and they'll want out real quick. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33189224 New Zealand 05/20/2020 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just read this prayer below with sincerity of heart in order to accept Jesus Christ into your heart and receive his FREE GIFT of Eternal Salvation: Lord Jesus, For too long I’ve kept you out of my life. I know that I am a sinner and that I cannot save myself. No longer will I close the door when I hear you knocking. By faith I gratefully receive your gift of salvation. I am ready to trust you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for coming to earth. I believe you are the Son of God who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. I believe your words are true. Come into my heart, Lord Jesus, and be my Savior. Amen. |
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Judethz
(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 05/20/2020 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for posting. I struggle with this very issue daily. I don't live right and I am having more nightmares about after death. I'm 65 next month and I am worried. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78908517 Turn to the Lord now, He will be quick to hear you. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject. WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] Last Edited by Judethz on 05/22/2020 06:05 PM |
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User ID: 47345121 Canada 05/20/2020 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. Quoting: Judethz Hab 3:5 If you are still here after the Rapture then it was because you ignored all the warnings, and where not right with the Lord when it happened. You may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint because you could be wiped out in an instant by a nuclear bomb or some other means. And that would be it as far as you are concerned. There are many people with a blasé attitude why have latched onto all kinds of lying doctrines, because they want to have their cake and eat it. And that is something that is going to work against you. The rapture comes after the tribulation. As such most will be tribulation saints. wmMmw |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78929455 United States 05/20/2020 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Judethz answer me this if you will. A rapture doesn't make sense, if the result of standing before God is the same for both groups. Everyone will stand before the Judgment seat, and I mean everyone. God doesn't show favoritism. Everyone has the same parameters to overcome and in no way will the living proceed the dead. How do you rationalize a rapture if the dead are raised first? The rapture that you want to happen, means you would be dead for the final three/half year period of Tribulation. You would then be resurrected at the last Trump along with everyone else who died. How else would the living follow after? If the dead precede the living, and that event occurs at the last Trump, then it makes more sense that Gods people will live through the tribulation. Scripture is clear, God calls the dead to Him FIRST. God is NOT going to rapture, you midway, kill you and make you wait three and a half years, which is what a rapture would require to fit with scripture. The Return of the Lord 1 Thessalonians 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
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Judethz
(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 05/20/2020 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you believe in the rapture, praying to the saints or that Jesus Christ is God.... then you have not believed Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77679194 Well obviously praying to the saints is idolatry. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76613374 United States 05/20/2020 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Post-Rapture Survival Guide [link to www.raptureready.us] In case you find yourself left behind after Yahshua(Jesus) comes for His bride. |
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(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 05/20/2020 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Judethz answer me this if you will. Quoting: Osmium76 Everyone will stand before the Judgment seat, and I mean everyone. No they will not, the Judgement seat is for others. Those who have died in the Lord or who have been Raptured will appear before Jesus Christ at the Bema Seat. What is the ‘Bema’ Seat of Christ? The Judgement Seat of Christ The ‘Bema’ seat of Christ occurs at the time immediately following the translation of the Church (“Rapture”–See 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52). The place of the Bema seat of Christ is placed in the sphere of the heavenlies. There are two primary passages for interpreting the Judgement Seat of Christ: Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10. The two Greek terms translated Judgement Seat in these passages are: bemati and bematos. In THAYER’S GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, we find the following definition for Bema: (1) a step, pace, (2) a raised place mounted by steps; a platform, tribune: used of the official seat of a judge (see Matthew 27:19; John 19:13; Acts 18:12,16); of the Judgement Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10). In the two passages (Romans 14 and 2 Corinthians 5) the term “judgement seat” Is used of the Divine tribunal before which all believers are hereafter to stand. In Romans 14:10, it is called “The judgement-seat of Christ,” A.V. (R.V., “of God”), according to the most authentic manuscripts. The same tribunal is called “the judgement-seat of Christ” in 2 Corinthians 5:10, to whom the Father has given all judgement (see John 5:22,27). At this ‘bema’ believers are to be made manifest, that each may “receive the things done in (or through) the body,” according to what he has done, “whether it be good or bad.” There they will receive rewards for their faithfulness to the Lord. For all that has been contrary in their lives to His will they will suffer loss of rewards (1 Corinthians 3:15). (VINE’S EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF NEW TESTAMENT WORDS) From 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22 and Romans 14:10, we are told that the judge at the ‘Bema’ seat of Christ is Christ Himself. One day all the dead will be raised to stand before Christ (the saved through the rapture to the ‘Bema’ Judgment, and the unsaved through the final resurrection to the Great White Throne Judgment (see John 5:29; Romans 14:10-12; Revelation 20:11-151). The Judgement of Believers Only those who are born again believers will stand before the ‘Bema’ seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:1-19). The purpose of the ‘Bema’ seat is to make a public manifestation of the essential character and motives of the individual Christian. The believer’s works are brought into judgment, called “the things done in his body” (2 Corinthians 5:10), in order that it may be determined whether they are good or bad. This judgment is not to determine what is ethically good or evil, but rather that which is acceptable and that which is worthless/unprofitable to the work of Christ. “Every man’s work shall be made manifest” (1 Corinthians 3:13-15). While it is possible to hide the true quality of one’s service for Christ in this life, there will be a tie of reckoning for the Christian. There is coming a time when all will be openly displayed for what one’s true motives were. Results of Christ’s Judgement The results of the judgment are two-fold: (1) a reward received or (2) a reward lost. If a man’s work remains undamaged by the fire, accordingly, he receives rewards (Greek misthos) … If a man’s work does not endure, and is consumed in the fire, then he shall “suffer loss.” Everything he has devoted himself to in this life (those things done in his own strength and for his own glory) shall be burnt up suddenly. “But he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” (1 Corinthians 3:15). It is important to notice that such a man does not suffer the loss of his salvation, but the loss of reward. The stress is not on a man’s relationship to Christ, but upon service to Christ. (Liberty Bible Commentary, Volume II, pp. 421-422.) [link to www.bing.com (secure)] Last Edited by Judethz on 05/20/2020 06:28 PM |
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User ID: 78023456 United States 05/20/2020 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. Quoting: Judethz Hab 3:5 If you are still here after the Rapture then it was because you ignored all the warnings, and where not right with the Lord when it happened. You may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint because you could be wiped out in an instant by a nuclear bomb or some other means. And that would be it as far as you are concerned. There are many people with a blasé attitude why have latched onto all kinds of lying doctrines, because they want to have their cake and eat it. And that is something that is going to work against you. Rev 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write: 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.' " "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them." Achduke |
Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 05/20/2020 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A rapture event would have the living preceded the dead. Quoting: Osmium76 Scripture shows otherwise, that this doesn't happen. If there was a prerapture no one would notice. The bible is clear the majority are tribulation saints. In fact they are so numerous they cannot even be counted by man. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 05/20/2020 06:37 PM Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78016659 05/20/2020 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Indeed, it is at the last trump, They still need to build that 3rd Temple. Anyone seen Hiram or his kin around? The third temple is a heavenly temple and comes down from heaven. Israel is a spiritual body of believers. The Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet requires a physical 3rd Temple for them to Kosherly start the real Oblation Offering. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78016659 05/20/2020 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A rapture event would have the living preceded the dead. Quoting: Osmium76 Scripture shows otherwise, that this doesn't happen. If there was a prerapture no one would notice. The bible is clear the majority are tribulation saints. In fact they are so numerous they cannot even be counted by man. As with the real Children of Israel. Which can not be numbered for multitude. |
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MrReality
User ID: 47345121 Canada 05/20/2020 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a very informative and doctrinally sound video from Melissia of Midnight Hour Oil that I hope will answer many of your questions. It's well worth watching. The only ones that will not face testing are those that have been tested and have overcome, as written in the book of Revelation. So who are those ? Who are those that live as the early believers in the book of acts ? Is Melissa among them, are you ? So again I ask who will be raptured ? wmMmw |
Ivan Skavinskyskavar. User ID: 78293910 Poland 05/20/2020 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Judethz answer me this if you will. Quoting: Osmium76 Everyone will stand before the Judgment seat, and I mean everyone. :ruthnaomi: No they will not, the Judgement seat is for others. Those who have died in the Lord or who have been Raptured will appear before Jesus Christ at the Bema Seat. What is the ‘Bema’ Seat of Christ? The Judgement Seat of Christ The ‘Bema’ seat of Christ occurs at the time immediately following the translation of the Church (“Rapture”–See 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52). The place of the Bema seat of Christ is placed in the sphere of the heavenlies. There are two primary passages for interpreting the Judgement Seat of Christ: Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10. The two Greek terms translated Judgement Seat in these passages are: bemati and bematos. In THAYER’S GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, we find the following definition for Bema: (1) a step, pace, (2) a raised place mounted by steps; a platform, tribune: used of the official seat of a judge (see Matthew 27:19; John 19:13; Acts 18:12,16); of the Judgement Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10). In the two passages (Romans 14 and 2 Corinthians 5) the term “judgement seat” Is used of the Divine tribunal before which all believers are hereafter to stand. In Romans 14:10, it is called “The judgement-seat of Christ,” A.V. (R.V., “of God”), according to the most authentic manuscripts. The same tribunal is called “the judgement-seat of Christ” in 2 Corinthians 5:10, to whom the Father has given all judgement (see John 5:22,27). At this ‘bema’ believers are to be made manifest, that each may “receive the things done in (or through) the body,” according to what he has done, “whether it be good or bad.” There they will receive rewards for their faithfulness to the Lord. For all that has been contrary in their lives to His will they will suffer loss of rewards (1 Corinthians 3:15). (VINE’S EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF NEW TESTAMENT WORDS) From 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22 and Romans 14:10, we are told that the judge at the ‘Bema’ seat of Christ is Christ Himself. One day all the dead will be raised to stand before Christ (the saved through the rapture to the ‘Bema’ Judgment, and the unsaved through the final resurrection to the Great White Throne Judgment (see John 5:29; Romans 14:10-12; Revelation 20:11-151). The Judgement of Believers Only those who are born again believers will stand before the ‘Bema’ seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:1-19). The purpose of the ‘Bema’ seat is to make a public manifestation of the essential character and motives of the individual Christian. The believer’s works are brought into judgment, called “the things done in his body” (2 Corinthians 5:10), in order that it may be determined whether they are good or bad. This judgment is not to determine what is ethically good or evil, but rather that which is acceptable and that which is worthless/unprofitable to the work of Christ. “Every man’s work shall be made manifest” (1 Corinthians 3:13-15). While it is possible to hide the true quality of one’s service for Christ in this life, there will be a tie of reckoning for the Christian. There is coming a time when all will be openly displayed for what one’s true motives were. Results of Christ’s Judgement The results of the judgment are two-fold: (1) a reward received or (2) a reward lost. If a man’s work remains undamaged by the fire, accordingly, he receives rewards (Greek misthos) … If a man’s work does not endure, and is consumed in the fire, then he shall “suffer loss.” Everything he has devoted himself to in this life (those things done in his own strength and for his own glory) shall be burnt up suddenly. “But he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” (1 Corinthians 3:15). It is important to notice that such a man does not suffer the loss of his salvation, but the loss of reward. The stress is not on a man’s relationship to Christ, but upon service to Christ. (Liberty Bible Commentary, Volume II, pp. 421-422.) [link to www.bing.com (secure)] I do know we are worlds apart. I have a go at you and would be sort of sharp as you seem to dismiss murder of children. That said tho and being apart, could you explain this. No they will not, the Judgement seat is for others. Just who are those "others". Honest thought I assure you... |