Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

It is true that there are true Christians on all sides of the multi-sided rapture debate. I just pray that they all can be civil with one-another, and keep the most important thing in the forefront: that being that we are all sinners and need Yahshua(Jesus) to save us from our sins. And if we put our trust and faith in Him, we will be find no patter what happens.

Simple, really.

The idea that Pre-tribbers "cling" to the Pre-trib theory out of cowardice is a fallacy. They simply believe what the bible says. When Yahshua says He's going to go make a place for us in heaven, then return to get us and take us back with Him, we believe what He said. It's a question of faith. We have faith that He will do as He promises.

Had Yahshua said the Church must suffer through Yahweh(God's) wrath on earth for 7 years, then so be it. But He didn't say that. Instead we are told we will be saved from the hour of that temptation; saved from the hour of Yahweh's wrath. God does not intend to bring wrath down upon His children. Rather He will bring His wrath down upon an unrepentant Israel to bring them back home. And He will pour His wrath out on the unbelievers in the world, especially all the haters, for the 7 years of Daniel's 70th Week, aka the Tribulation.

Yahshua did say we will suffer tribulations as His followers. And many Christians suffer those tribulations every day, especially those who live under the tyranny of islam.

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But those are tribulations with a small "t". The Tribulation with a big "T", more accurately known as "Daniel's 70th Week" or the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is a completely different time. Jacob was Israel's name before it was changed by Yahweh to Israel. And the nation with the same name was named after him.

The "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is the time of Israel's trouble. It is not the time of the Church's trouble. The Church and Israel are not the same thing. I encourage anyone to go to Israel if they are unsure of this. Yahweh said He would bring the Israelis from their scattered tribes throughout the world back to their ancient homeland, and He kept His promise to them in 1948.

Anyone who is a true believer will be raptured when the time comes, no matter how ugly their past is. They may suffer loss at the Bema Judgment Seat, but they will be saved, if only by the skin of their teeth.

The good news is you don't have to have XYZ level of brownie points to make it to heaven at the rapture. If that were the case, none of us qualify. None of us is "good". None of us can compare to the Holiness of Yahshua.

We ONLY get there because we are taken there by the grace of God. And we should thank Him every day for His grace toward us sinners. If He wants us in heaven, we will be taken there. It's not our choice. Our choice is whether to trust In Yahshua, or not to trust in Him. The rest is up to Him, the Father, and the Ruach Ha'Kodesh(Holy Spirit). And we will just be along for the ride. I pray to be with my Savior wherever He may be. That is where I want to be.

Revelation 20:4 speaks of those I think who will come to believe during the Tribulation, the Tribulation Saints. Specifically of those who will be martyred for their belief. When Yahshua returns to the earth at the end of the Tribulation, I believe He will return with the souls of those Tribulation Martyrs and resurrect them into their glorified bodies at the beginning of His Millennial Kingdom. And then they will live and reign with Christ in His new Kingdom.

Amen.

No one knows the day or the time of the rapture. It does seem like we are in the season however.

You seem to be lost as no one here is advocating such.

They have also re-created the Temple furniture, including the altar, the Menorah lampstand and such, and the Temple garments.

They are ready for the "Green Light" to get started building.

There's just this pesky problem of the Muhammadans who control the Temple Mount right now, and the new war that will surely follow if they are kicked off the Mount and a new Temple built on it.

But the Antichrist will come in soon and fix that problem. He can't be seen as the great 'savior' and 'peacemaker' unless he has great problems to fix, yes?



Of course no one knows for sure yet just who the Antichrist will be.

I might be wrong on some aspect of what I said, but I already admitted that.

I am willing to change my mind on things when sound scriptural evidence is presented to me. Are you?

What you are wrong about is just because man thinks the temple needs constructed, scripture proves otherwise.

Indeed, God made the earth and everything on it. We can't give Him something He already has.

Scripture says the temple descends out of heaven.

In my almost 36yrs of Living In and With Father-God as an Ezekiel 36 Born-Again, HE Has Delivered me several times from death, Delivered me and my family from certain death, and Told me HE Would.

I have Been Constantly "Preserved Against All evil" as Jesus Says in John ch 17.

Events in my life that seemed very undesirable were later shown to be Blessings... It must be my nature to understand that God's Will Is Always Perfect, but still moan about being momentarily uncomfortable while HIS Will unfolds.


There is no danger to any Born-Again during the tribulation.

Serving Father's Will and Guided BY through Constant Witness From God The Holy Spirit is our regimen of daily living. For years we have KNOWN God would Guide others to us for the aid we can provide and protection.

There will be many resentful and bewildered Christians left to face the happenings on their own... Not choosing to Come Unto Father, they failed to Trust HIM; so they're on their own. God doesn't forget about them, HE Makes Provision; but it won't be as their expectations supposed.

It's probably not the cool-kids that decided to Trust God with all they were and ever would be. As Paul Witnessed, "Jesus Christ Came To Save Sinners, Among Whom I Am Chief!"

So many unable, unwilling to capitulate their all and surrender wholly Unto The Father!

Christ Jesus IS Coming!
The days are being shortened...
God's enemy was defeated at calvary...


To be unable to Believe and Trust that God Can and Will Preserved those who Love HIM Most, is truly very sad and a great proof of alienation from HIM...

There is no point to having Faith if you cannot Act Upon It!


Maranatha!!!

The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon. The POPE is the most likely anti-Christ figure.

The dome on the temple mount could be the sacrifice that is taken away and the abomination would actually be the temple they plan to build and begin animal sacrifice on, which would negate the purpose for which Jesus came and fulfilled by HIS PERFECT SACRIFICE, WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS NO ANIMAL COULD EVER MATCH.

Scripture is clear that Jesus is the only one who can atone for our sin. NO MAN CAN do what He already accomplished by offering animal sacrifice.

Christ did away with that.

A third temple with animal sacrifice, is a denial of Christ and everything He already fulfilled.

If and when a third temple is built, here on earth, it won't please God. It will anger Him.

It is very likely that it will cause tremendous upheaval and The Vatican will move it's headquarters to Jerusalem and make the claim that this is the Popes rightful seat of power.

I think it's true that no mortal sees and understands the Word of God perfectly. We do the best we can, and ask the Lord for guidance in our studies.

I believe there are 2 temples in view in different parts of the Book of Revelation. One man-made on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the Tribulation, and the other Yahweh(God)'s Temple in heaven, that eventually descends at the time of the New Heavens and the New Earth. And you could also mention that our bodies are also temples.

Here John is writing about the events that will happen during the Tribulation, and he is told to measure the Temple that can in no way be the Temple of God in heaven.

Revelation of John 11:1-2
1 A reed like a rod was given to me. Someone said, “Rise, and measure God’s temple, and the altar, and those who worship in it.
2 Leave out the court which is outside of the temple, and don’t measure it, for it has been given to the nations. They will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.

The outer court of this temple has been given over to the nations of the gentiles during the 3.5 yrs that Jerusalem is overrun by the forces of the Antichrist. This could never happen in heaven or with God's Temple in heaven. This is clearly talking about a temple in Jerusalem. And it's not metaphorical, it has a definite shape and size that was to be measured. It will be a real Temple.

Then later we see God's temple in heaven:

Revelation of John 11:19
19 God’s temple that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of the Lord’s covenant was seen in his temple. Lightnings, sounds, thunders, an earthquake, and great hail followed.

This too is a real Temple, not a metaphorical one. And it is in heaven, and it has the Ark of the Covenant in it. This one does not have an outer court that is trampled by the Gentiles because it is in heaven, and is where Yahweh sits.

Therefore, we have seen two different temples: One in Jerusalem, and one in heaven.

Here, the Prophet Daniel writes of the coming Temple in Jerusalem that will be "trodden under foot" as we saw in Rev. 11:2 above:

Daniel 8:13
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, How long shall be the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the army to be trodden under foot?

The Israelis will only re-create the "burnt offerings" at the Temple Mount. They want their Temple in part so they can resume their sacrifices to Yahweh. They do this not knowing that the Ultimate Sacrifice (Yahshua's) has already been made for them and all people, so their sacrifices will be in vain. But most of them do not yet know of their error.

"He" here is the Antichrist who will let them re-build their Temple, and then he will betray them and desecrate the Temple. It's his desire to set himself up in the Temple to be worshiped. So he will make it possible for them to rebuild it for this secret reason.

Daniel 9:27
27 He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate; and even to the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out on the desolate.

The Antichrist will make a treaty with Israel and many nations (probably islamic nations) to allow them to rebuild their Temple on the Temple Mount. The Treaty will be for "one week", and in biblical terms that means 7 years. Halfway through that time (3.5 yrs) he will betray them and stop their sacrifices. Then he'll set up a talking image of himself in the Temple and demand that everyone on the planet worship him or his image in the Temple, upon pain of death if they do not do so. This will be the Abomination of Desolation. And, having revealed his abomination, he will turn on Israel and pour out Satan's wrath upon them. They will freak out and flee into the wilderness for 3.5 yrs, where they will be sheltered and protected by Yahweh, while the Antichrist's armies and others trample down the cithy of Jerusalem during that time.

You see, for all this to take place, there needs to be a real physical Temple on the Temple Mount during the Tribulation. It is not for Yahweh as the Israelis think, or for Yahshua. But the new Temple will be allowed and encouraged by the Antichrist so that he can come in later and defile the Temple of God on earth. The whole thing will be a set-up from the start. The Israelis will be tricked by the Antichrist to build the Temple that he will usurp for himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he even funds the project. Of course, he'll probably be using American taxpayer dollars to do so. Or whatever constitutes the prevailing global currency at that time.

Scripture has proven that there will be a Temple on the earth in Jerusalem, AND also another Temple of God in heaven during the 7 yr. Tribulation. I am not saying what man or Israel needs. Neither am I saying what scripture or God needs. I am only showing what the bible says about both of those separate temples during the End Times.

Now after this current earth and the heavens are burnt up by fire, THEN God's Temple in heaven will be found no more in scripture. I suggest it probably will be so because the heavens have now been burnt up. So everyone that believes are now together in the heavenly Holy city of God which will go by the name of 'New Jerusalem' (not your calendar, Russ). THEN a new heavens and a new earth are created, and we live happily ever after.

Revelation of John 21:1-4
1 I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.
2 I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
3 I heard a loud voice out of heaven saying, “Behold, God’s dwelling is with people, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
4 He will wipe away from them every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away.”

Then:

Revelation of John 21:22
I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple.

Amen

Thank you for sharing.

I am tired so scanned through it briefly.

I agree to a great extent.

I guess you missed my last post where I said just about the same thing, but in shorter context.

I accidentally made a mistake when I wrote:

"and the other Yahweh(God)'s Temple in heaven, that eventually descends at the time of the New Heavens and the New Earth."

I corrected that at the end of my reply, but forgot to correct the one at the beginning.

That which descends at the End of Days will not be the Temple of God, but the Holy City of New Jerusalem, which will not have a Temple building as Yahweh and Yahshua themselves will be it's Temple, as the bible states.

My apology.

No worries. Glad you are sharing scripture. It really helps define things as long as it is in the correct context.

Scripture validates scripture, but it isn't always easy to pinpoint. Then, some people affix to it their own interpretation rather than adding clarity without supposition.

Being educated in the use of words helps a lot. Reading comprehension goes a long way.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of ill educated people, who fail to understand what is being said, because of that.

I think the bolded premise above may be flawed.

It seems that you assume that someone who is a Pre-trib rapture believer somehow has less faith than someone who is not a Pre-trib rapture believer. It seems that you are saying that a Pre-tribber is unable to believe and trust that God can preserve them. I think this view is an error.

I believe in the Pre-trib rapture because of my understanding of what the bible says, and because of my understanding of the other rapture positions. It has nothing to do with my belief in the perseverance of the saints. I believe Yahshua said we will have tribulations in this life. We collectively as Christians do have tribulations on this planet, as fellow believers are being martyred every day in Mohammadland. Do our brothers and sisters in Christ need perseverance and preservation right now today? Yes they do. They don't need to wait for the Time of Jacob's Trouble. Their faith is being tested right now today. If one of them believes in the Pre-Trib rapture while they are busy hiding from murdering Muslims who are searching for them in their villages, will you question their faith that God can, and will, and is preserving them right now?

The question of preservation of the saints through their daily trials and tribulations should not be conflated with the Time of Jacob's Trouble and God's wrath that will be poured out on those who dwell upon the earth at that time. Christians have been preserved throughout the ages. That's why we still exist today. They will not need to be preserved into the Time of Jacob's Trouble because they are not unbelievers from the House of Jacob, and they are not unbelievers who will suffer the Wrath of God.

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is a good analogy, I think. Yahweh could have preserved Lot by protecting him and his family in their house as the fire & brimstone rained down and destroyed Sodom. But He didn't do that. He instead sent His angels to descend from heaven and go out and get Lot and his family, then physically remove them from the city, sending them off to safety while they rained destruction down upon that city, thoroughly destroying it. Instead of preserving Lot and his family through the firestorm, God rescued them out of the time of it's destruction. Should we question Lot's faith and perseverance because God chose to save him and his family by taking them out of the hour of Sodom's destruction? Should Lot have stayed behind in Sodom to prove his faith? Should we say that by going with the angels that Lot was alienating himself from God instead of sticking around to prove he was worthy by faith of being preserved through the destruction of Sodom? No, we should not. "May God's will be done." That's what we should say.

Likewise, if Yahweh wants His children to be preserved through the Time of Jacob's Trouble, then we will be. And if you are a true believing Christian, you will keep the faith no matter what happens to you, whether now or later. But, if Yahweh decides to remove us like He did with Lot and his family, then so be it. It's God's choice, not ours. One's faith doesn't change depending on what God does with us. Our job is to keep the faith no matter what our understanding is, no matter what happens to us. Don't judge our faith by the actions that God will or will not take concerning things that have not yet happened, based on your understanding of the matter, which could be in error.

Our understanding is not clear on everything, so we read the bible, we pray about it, and we do the best we can with our limited mortal understanding. Everything will be done per God's will in the end anyway, so no worries.

Let's look forward with our lamps trimmed to the return of our Master and Savior Yahshua, instead of looking for the arrival of the Antichrist. That is our Blessed Hope!

Have faith that God will take care of things, and so will I.

Maranatha!

I do think the RCC is the Whore of Babylon. But I suspect a Pope will most likely become the False Prophet, the cheerleader miracle-worker for the Antichrist.

Since AD30 or so (and often long before) Israel has been making bad choices and mistakes about spiritual things, so it would be no surprise to me that they continue to do so up until the very end when their real Messiah actually returns.

And yes it is a terrible insult to their Messiah that they will continue to reject Him, and instead make animal sacrifices to Yahweh instead of accepting the final sacrifice of the life of their Messiah. The bible does not just speak about what should be done, but instead reveals what will be done, regardless of whether the action is right or wrong. Fortunately the bible will usually clarify to us what is wrong and what is right.

I don't think rebuilding the Temple is necessarily wrong, but sacrificing animals is certainly terribly wrong! Nevertheless, they will do it anyway as they still reject Messiah. If I was running that re-build project, I think I would probably delete the altar and put up a cross in it's place. That would seem more appropriate.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Vatican tries to get involved with a future Temple project. I think they will be in lock-step with the future Satan-possessed Antichrist who will seize the Temple and set himself up in it, in the Holy of Holies, and demand that everyone in the world worship him.

And that is where the NWO is headed. Setting up this eventuality is the End Game for them; their sole reason for being- to bring the world under his heel, and to unite the world against the Return of the King of kings and Lord of lords.

And there you have it.

So when is Israel going to remove the Dome of the Rock so They can find the Cornerstone?

Thanks OP, that's a very well written article and well worth reading and saving.

A Post-Rapture Survival Guide

The purpose of this manual is twofold:
First of all, it is to warn those who receive this manual prior to the rapture of the events that will take place in the last days as foretold in the Bible. Based on what the Bible has to say about future events, nobody in their right mind would want live on earth after the rapture. Hopefully, many will read, believe, seek God, repent and be saved. Salvation is very simple, so simple to attain, in fact, that most people cannot accept its simplicity; thereby reject it completely. However, it is complex because it is life-changing and based on that which we cannot see; it is based on faith. Simple, because Jesus does all the work. If you want to be saved and have eternal life, simply pray in belief and humility to Lord Jesus:
"Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and ask you to forgive me of my sins and prepare for me a new heart. I surrender my life to you."

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They can search high and low for the cornerstone, but they will not find it. For Yahshua Ha'Machiach (Jesus Christ) Himself is the Chief Cornerstone.

One theory as to the placement of the next Temple suggests they should put it directly west of the Eastern(Golden) Gate. If they do this, then they can build it without tearing down the other structures usurping and defiling the Temple Mount. They might choose to do that for a political compromise.

Of course it will take the efforts of the Antichrist (Satan's boy) to make even that happen. But that's what treaties(covenants) are for.

One interesting note is that if the Temple is built north of the Muslim structures and west of the Eastern Gate, there does not appear to be enough room for the outer court. And the bible does make mention of this issue:

Revelation 11:1-2

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Just exactly WHO....or WHAT...is "the bride"?

A LOT of people OVERLOOK what is stated in Revelation 21.

Revelation 21

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

According to THAT, the BRIDE is New Jerusalem.

Where does the Bible state that Believers ESCAPE tribulation?

It doesn't.

There's no reason for the 3 Gospels AND Revelation to
show a "sequence of events" for NON-believers ONLY.

Believers escape WRATH - not tribulation.

And Paul's wording - though different - matches up with what Jesus says.

Yah it’s dangerous. Lol. That’s why Jesus put it in there.

And this isn’t dangerous. We can’t be in the tribulation because I’m still here.

You are so sick and stupid.

Rapturetards are sickening.

The prince and power of the air is your master.

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

For this reason,

They are before the throne of God

and serve Him day and night in His temple;

and the One seated on the throne

will spread His tabernacle over them.

Never again will they hunger,

and never will they thirst;

nor will the sun beat down upon them,

nor any scorching heat.

For the Lamb in the center of the throne

will be their shepherd!!

He will lead them to springs of living water,

and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. ”

What if you are having sex with your wife? Does God wait till you are done? How about surgery? Do you get raptured from the table.?

Oh shit. The prison guards will be arrested for letting prisoners out.

School buses crashing and killing kids.


Revelation 12:14


“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

Face of the serpent.

It’s only for the remnant. The woman. The chosen.

Daniel 11:41
King James Version
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

ars were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

It’s called a “resurrection”.

Revelation 3:10 (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

An hour represents a period of time. In this case it will be for 7 years.

The 7 yr Tribulation then begins (1 Thess. 5:1-11 immediately after Paul’s discussion of the rapture in ch. 4:13-18 he then describes what comes next: the Day of the Lord, sudden destruction, no escape for those people who live in darkness. We are to watch for His rapture and be sober, knowing that we are not appointed to His wrath. That whether we be alive or dead at the time of His rapture, we will then live together with Him. Where will we live with Him? John 14:1-3 in His “Father’s House” in heaven during the Tribulation; Isa 26:20 “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast”)

Luke 21:36
36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

The 4 gospels and Revelation show a sequence of events that primarily shows Israel and what happens to it. The Olivet Discourse was addressed to the nation of Israel. If you want to read of Yahshua(Jesus) talking about His Church, you need to look at the Upper Room Discourse.

The first 3 chapters of Revelation do talk about the Church, but after the angel of the Lord tells Paul to "Come up here", then the remainder of Revelation no longer talks about the Church on earth. Although I do think it makes a reference to the Church in heaven at that time with the reference to the 24 elders.

There is a difference between the word 'tribulation' and the word 'Tribulation'. The former is something that we believers must endure in our daily lives, especially those unfortunate enough to live in the Muslim world where they are being martyred as we write this. The latter is referring to the 7 yr Tribulation, also known as Daniel's 70th Week and the "Time of Jacob's Trouble." It is spelled with a big "T". It's important not to conflate the two.

But if it will make it more understandable, we can just call that time in the Book of Revelation as the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble', which lasts 7 yrs. It is a special time, not related to our daily tribulations, but it is rather related to, well, the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble'. Who was Jacob? God later changed his name to 'Israel'. And the nation of Israel later took it's name from him.

And the time of this trouble? The 70th Week of Daniel, which will last for 7 yrs. This is a time of trouble for the nation of Israel that will last for 7 yrs. It is not the 'Time of the Church's Trouble', it is the time of Israel's trouble. And it is also the time of trouble for the rest of the unbelieving world as well.

Paul was the primary Apostle to the Gentiles. He loved his Israeli kin, and tried to convert them whenever he could, but his main focus was on the Church, especially later in his career after Israel had proven to him that they would continue to reject their Messiah.

Yahshua(Jesus) came to preach to Israel. He was teaching a Kingdom message. His main focus was correcting the faith of Israel, and letting them know their Messiah had come, and would have to die for all people. That was His message. If Israel had accepted their Messiah, I think the Kingdom would have soon come after that. But they didn't accept Him, thus fulfilling the prophecies of His death and sacrifice.

Yahshua told his disciples that He had much more to teach them, but that they were not ready to hear it yet. He told them to wait for the Holy Spirit to come. He then was hung on the cross and did not get to continue those lessons Himself. But later He did send someone to complete those lessons, and that someone was the Apostle Paul. And Paul said that Yahshua's message of salvation was good for everyone, even the Gentiles. And most of what Paul wrote, was directed toward Gentiles. Fortunately, as believers we cease to be Israeli or Gentile, but become a new creature in Christ. We become the Bride of Christ. The old divisions are done away with as we are united in Christ. And this begins the Church Age.

Yeah but not as sick as you'll look if you continue on as you are.

This is you in the world now America as you plunder and burn food for people in any old nation.

Tribulation America as recompense is long overdue as you pay homage to cur nation as America starves, goes down the John.

For shame America, for shame...

Second best choice. Lol. You are a fricken retard. Did Jesus say it was a choice?