Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

Yes several other posters and myself have pointed this out quite often on various threads. But I'm afraid that we get lost in the hustle. I'm afraid that we are seeing the results of 50 years or so of mindless entertainment and distractions, and can but do our best.

Thread: Israel is There Because God Said So When God Said So.

Hebrew Believers was castigated early on by the Pharisees - then later by the Catholics.

There's been lots of "distancing" by Christians of Israel - and the "Paul's seperate gospel" group leads it.

So you used your insult of Chuck Missler

to avoid the truth of what is posted?

That is not even close to honest or the Spirit of Truth,

as expected...

State the Gospel.

So who gave you the right to pick and choose which parts of the Bible we are to believe, just so it fits in with your agenda?

…………………....... You're minds so twisted that I bet you use a corkscrew for a ruler.

Scripture doesn't lie.
What Paul says matches what Jesus says.
It's just different words / terminology.

For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

At the same time, they ignored vast amounts of scripture that debunk those doctrines, or at the very least, severely alters what those doctrines should say.

Finally, it's far easier in these modern times to study scripture, as a person can use a search function to find ALL the uses of a single word or a phrase.

No, but you sure do.

Even by your own sick standards you are defiantly losing it. You have made many, many posts on this and my other threads attacking Paul/Saul. Now you do a 180 degree turn and accuse us of doing what you have been doing. I suppose that if you sup with the devil long enough it addles your brain.

I "attack Paul"? Laughable.

What do you call this?

Thread: To Understand Paul - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached - Bible Study

What I try to do is to show you that some interpretations of Paul's writings are misconstrued.

Quite possibly as you say " some interpretations of Paul's writings are misconstrued." But so what, have you never thought to just read his words as they are written the KJV of the Bible where they are quite clear. At least to those who don't have a hidden agenda.

I think that most Christians don't spend all that much time keeping up with what 'theologians' do because they instinctively know that their time would be much better spent actually reading the bible, to search out the matter.

And NO it is NOT "easier in these modern times to study scripture, as a person can use a search function to find ALL the uses of a single word or a phrase." This is a method that might be appealing to a minority of people who are interested in the origin's and relationships between words. The same as advanced mathematics' is to others.

But to most people it's a drag that sucks the life out of the gospel message of salvation. Besides which what possible use is any of this to children or people with a limited education, or very little quiet time to find the Lord while they are still able. You are a modern day Pharisee standing at the gates to hinder those who would enter.

Considering the main teaching during the 1,000 year reign is about not being deceived by Satan and an untold number of fallen angels I'm not sure why being a witness to what the time before the flood was like. The handful of fallen angels involved in that are not allowed to harm certain people.
The math on this would be about wanting His witnesses to survive alive or die early in those 42 months that have to be fulfilled before the return can happen.
The judgment just before the start of that begins sends sinners to hell for 1,000 years and then God resurrects them at the GWT event.
Should the people that are alive for the 1,000 years be tempted by Satan they will go to the fiery lake with Satan. To prevent that God sends the 24 Elders from the Temple in Re:4 to be the teachers.
M't:27:52:
And the graves were opened;
and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Re:5:8-10:
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps,
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song,
saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
and to open the seals thereof:
for thou wast slain,
and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.
Mal:4:5-6:
Behold,
I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The 'exploits' in the verse before would be the two witnesses coming back to life. The people they teach may or may not survive being killed before the return. It will mean they are resurrected sooner rather than later at the GWT. The 144,000 and the ones counted in the Re:11 Temple are sealed for protection so they survive all perils, including being witnesses to what goes on the day the two witnesses are resurrected.

Da:11:31-35:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries:
but the people that do know their God shall be strong,
and do exploits.
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many:
yet they shall fall by the sword,
and by flame,
by captivity,
and by spoil,
many days.
Now when they shall fall,
they shall be holpen with a little help:
but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
And some of them of understanding shall fall,
to try them,
and to purge,
and to make them white,
even to the time of the end:
because it is yet for a time appointed.

Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 05/26/2020 02:09 PM

Some need to stay, they have business to conduct. Godly business my dear.

No the Rapture has always been in the bible as the parable of the Ten Virgins makes clear. And unfortunately dismissive know it all's like you have also been around for a long time.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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"I think that most Christians don't spend all that much time keeping up with what 'theologians' do"?????

REALLY?

How many of them actually READ what the Bible says?

DAMN few. They listen to pastors who have been SPOONFED "theological doctrines" for centuries.

Many of those "doctrines" were started with what "process" I already explained but YOU keep DELETING.

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For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

At the same time, they ignored vast amounts of scripture that debunk those doctrines, or at the very least, severely alters what those doctrines should say.

Finally, it's far easier in these modern times to study scripture, as a person can use a search function to find ALL the uses of a single word or a phrase.

You have probably posted 40 or so very long, repetitive, nonsense posts on this thread alone,

add the rubbish from Archduke 7, outright Satanists and others and the message of Salvation would be lost amidst all the trash posts.
Of course you could go and make your own threads telling everyone how they must suffer through the Great Tribulation, despite the many, many millions of Dead in Christ who suffered little persecution. (Although obviously many did.) You are about as welcome as a wet blanket.

And has that not always been the case. Those who are lukewarm Christians will be amongst those who go through the Great Tribulation and hopefully turn to the Lord at that late hour, if they do not die in their sins first.

It's always been about your personal relationship with the Lord. Without that there is really nothing there.

The logic of tribulation or rapture is like you know your country is going to be invaded and scores killed but you do nothing in hope you will be the one killed so you wont witness the slaughter.

Thats how dumb it is. OR you can use your god given free will and fight for the heaven on earth and avoid a disaster so you and your generations would live in and thrive in peace.

You wouldn't cut off your foot so an ambulance could show up to your house. Why would want to destroy the earth just so jesus could come. or set your house on fire so a firefighter will come save you.

Little sick the logic there.

Op we are so happy you have it all figured out. Plus you are Gods chosen a double double for you.

Humph, well if you knew me like I know me you sure wouldn't be thinking that way.

But thanks for the complement anyway.

That's how dumb you are.

I wonder why all of you always say that about us...

Do nothing?!

Nothing but preach Jesus Christ for 34 years now, including here...

Maybe one day, God-willing, I]ll be able to do as much as well as you.

No worries. He will Judge both of us.

For someone who presumes to tell the rest of us what to think, you sure do display a surprising amount of ignorance at times.

Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

There you go, trying to spread division amongst the body of believers, yet again.

………...……... The Rapture is fast approaching...……….

……….Do not listen to the wolfs in sheep's clothing who have crept into the flock and hope to steal the blessed hope away from you.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

What is the first resurrection?