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Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

 
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Yet "Paul Only" folks will claim a different "church" built on Paul.

NOT Biblical.
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german5 So who are these "Paul only" folks? The Bible is whole and complete as the Lord willed. Your post makes no sense, that is unless you are trying to create division amongst the body of believers.
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What is the first resurrection?
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What is the first resurrection?
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blinkerrose After the Lord died in Jerusalem and rose again there those who where known as the "First Fruits." That is various saints and followers who where raised from the dead at the time.
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What is the first resurrection?
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blinkerrose After the Lord died in Jerusalem and rose again there those who where known as the "First Fruits." That is various saints and followers who where raised from the dead at the time.
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Rev 20:1-5 - First Resurrection called out by John - happens after the tribulation - Rapture = Resurrection of the dead in Christ

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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Rev 20:1-5 - First Resurrection called out by John - happens after the tribulation - Rapture = Resurrection of the dead in Christ...……………..
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german7 Well regardless, it is a fact that quite a number of people are alive in heaven right now. A particularly well known example is that of the thief on the cross.

Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew,
THIS IS THE KING OF THE J WS.

Luk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


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Rev 20:1-5 - First Resurrection called out by John - happens after the tribulation - Rapture = Resurrection of the dead in Christ...……………..
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german7 Well regardless, it is a fact that quite a number of people are alive in heaven right now. A particularly well known example is that of the thief on the cross.

Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew,
THIS IS THE KING OF THE J WS.

Luk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

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Indeed - but the first resurrection is a MASS NUMBER of saints to include those killed by the anti-Christ. The bible is inspired of God - and John's revelation if from Jesus. I will not discount His words.
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For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

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maxxflo9 Yeah I've noticed that you're pretty good at it.
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For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

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maxxflo9 Yeah I've noticed that you're pretty good at it.
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If you want truth - look at ALL the scriptures and how the church, historically understood this issue:

Early Church Fathers and the Rapture

While there are dissenting views, this list compiles a time-line from Christ to early church fathers to near current Christian thinking on the rapture timing - most of these authors lifespan overlapped each other.

Jesus Christ (O-33) said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven....and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30).

John (6-101) a disciple of Jesus Christ, wrote: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass...and them that had gotten the victory over the beast (antichrist) and over his image, and over his mark, and over
the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass..." (Rev.15:2).

Barnabas (40-100) knew John and all 12 of Jesus disciples, and traveled with Saint Paul to evangelize among the gentiles, wrote:"The final stumbling block approaches...for the whole [past] time of your faith will profit you nothing, unless now in this wicked time we also withstand coming sources of danger....then the evil one [Antichrist] may find no means of entrance...."
(Epistle of Barnabas, 4).

Polycarp (70-168) Johns apostle and knew Barnabas, wrote:"He comes as the judge of the living and the dead."
(Epistle to the Philippians, II).

Justin Myrtyr (100-167) a contemporary of Polycarp, wrote:"The man of apostasy [Antichrist], who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the
earth against us the Christians..." (Dialogue with Trypho, 110).

Irenaeus (138-202) Polycarps apostle and knew Justin Myrtyr, wrote: "And they [the ten kings who will arise] shall lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the church to flight" (Against Heresies, V,26).

Tertullian (150-220) a contemporary of Irenaeus, wrote: “The souls of the martyrs are taught to wait [Rev.6:9,10,11]...that the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the Church of God..."
(On the Resurrection of the flesh, 25).

Hyppolytus (158-240) a contemporary of Tertullian, wrote:"The one thousand two hundred and three score days (the last half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the church..." (Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, 61).

Cyprian (200-258) a contemporary of Hyppolytus, wrote: "The day of affliction has begun to hang over our heads, and the end of the world and the time of the Antichrist to draw near, so that we must all stand prepared for the battle..." (Epistle, 55, 1).

Victorinus (240-303) a contemporary of Cyprian, wrote:"...the times of Antichrist, when all shall be injured."(Commentary on the Appocalypse of the Blessed John, VI, 5).

Lactantius (242-330) a contemporary of Victorinus, wrote: "And power will be given him [Antichrist] to desolate the whole earth for forty two months..." (Divine Institutes, VII, 17).

Athanasius (293-373) a contemporary of Lactantius, wrote:"...they have not spared Thy servants, but are preparing the way for Antichrist." (History of the Arians, VIII, 79).

Ephrain the Syrian (306-373) a contemporary of Athanasius, wrote: "Nothing remains then, except that the coming of our enemy, Antichrist, appear..." (Sermo Asceticus, I).

Cyril of Jerusalem (315-386) a contemporary of Ephrain, wrote: "The church declares to you the things concerning Antichrist before they arrive...it is well that, knowing these things, thou
shouldest make thyself ready beforehand."
(Catechetical Lectures, 15, 9).

Jerome (340-422) a contemporary of Cyril of Jerusalem, wrote:"I told you that Christ would not come unless Antichrist had come before." (Epistle 21).

Chrysostom (345-407) a contemporary of Jerome, wrote:"...the time of Antichrist...will be a sign of the coming of Christ..."(Homilies on II Thessalonians 2:2-3)

Augustine (354-430) a contemporary of Chrysostom, wrote:"But he who reads this passage [Daniel 12:1-13], even half asleep can not fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, for a short time, assail the church..." (The City of God, XX, 23).

Venerable Bede (673-735) wrote: "[The Church's triumph will] follow the reign of Antichrist."(The Explanation of the Apocalypse, II, 8).

Bernard of Clairvaux (1090-1153) wrote: "There remains only one thing--that the demon of noonday [Antichrist] should appear, to seduce those who still remain in Christ..."(Sermons on the Song of Songs, 33, 16).

Roger Bacon (1214-1274) wrote: "...because of future perils [for the Church] in the times of Antichrist..." (Opus Majus, II, p. 634).

John Wycliffe (1320-1384) wrote: "Wherefore let us pray to God that He keep us in the hour of temptation, which is coming on all the world, Revelation 3:10."(Writings of the Reverend and Learned John Wycliffe, D.D. p.155)

Martin Luther (1483-1546) wrote:"[The book of Revelation] is intended as a revelation of things that are to happen in the future, and especially of tribulations and disasters for the Church..."
(Works of Martin Luther, VI, p. 481).

Menno Simons (1496-1561) a contemporary of Martin Luther, wrote: "...He [Jesus] will appear as a triumphant Prince and a victorious King to bring judgment. Then will those who persecute
us look upon Him..." (Complete Writings...p. 622).

John Calvin (1509-1564) a contemporary of Menno Simons, wrote: "We ought not to follow in our inquiries after Antichrist, especially where such pride proceeds to a public desolation of the Church." (Institutes, Vol. 2, p. 411).

John Knox (1515-1572) a contemporary of John Calvin), wrote:"...the great love of God towards His Church, whom He pleased to forewarn of dangers to come, so many years before they come to pass...to wit, the man of sin, the Antichrist the ***** of Babylon."(The History of the Reformation..., I, p. 76).

John Fox (1516-1587) a contemporary of John Knox, wrote:"...that second beast prophesied to come in the later time of the Church...to disturb the whole Church of Christ..."(Acts and Monuments, I).

Daniel Whitby (1638-1726) wrote: "...after the fall of Antichrist, there shall be such a glorious state of the Church...so shall this be the Church of Martyrs, and of those who had not received the Mark of the Beast..." (A Paraphrase and Commentary, p. 696).

Matthew Henry (1662-1714) a contemporary of Daniel Whitby, wrote: "Those who keep the gospel in a time of peace shall be kept by Christ in an hour of temptation [Revelation 3:10] ."
(Commentary, VI, p. 1134).

Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) a contemporary of Matthew Henry, wrote: "...continuance of Antichrist's reign [when the Church is persecuted] did not commence before the year of Christ 479..." (A history of the Work of Redemption, p. 217).

John Newton (1725-1807) a contemporary of Jonathan Edwards, wrote: "Fear not temptation's fiery day, for I will be thy strength and stay. Thou hast my promise, hold it fast, the trying hour [of] Rev 3:10, will soon be past." (The Works of the Rev. John Newton, Vol. II, p. 152).

George Muller (1805-1898) wrote:"The scripture declares plainly that the Lord Jesus will not come until the Apostasy shall have taken place, and the man of sin shall have been revealed..."
("Mrs. Mueller's Missionary Tours and Labours, p. 148).

R. Trench (1807-1886) a contemporary of George Muller, wrote:"...the Philadelphian church...to be kept in temptation, not to be exempted from temptation..." (Seven Churches of Asia, p. 183).

Carl F. Keil (1807-1888) a contemporary of R. Trench, wrote:"...the persecution of the last enemy Antichrist against the church of the Lord..." (Biblical Commentary, Vol. XXXIV, p. 503).

S. P. Tregelles (1813-1875) a contemporary of Carl F. Keil, wrote: "The Scripture teaches the Church to wait for the manifestation of Christ. The secret [pre-trib] theory bids us to expect a coming before any such manifestation."(The Hope of Christ's Second Coming, p. 71).

Nathaniel West (1826-1906) a contemporary of S. P. Tregelles,wrote: "[The Pre-Trib Rapture] is built on a postulate (assume to be true), vicious in logic... repudiated by the early Church..."
(The Apostle Paul and the "any moment" Theory, p. 30).

Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910) a contemporary of Nathaniel West, wrote: "He will keep us in the mist of, and also from, the hour of temptation [Revelation 3:10]."(The Episles of John, Jude and the Book of Revelation, p. 266).

M. Vincent (1834-1922) a contemporary of Alexander Maclaren, wrote: "The preposition 'from' implies, not a keeping from temptation, but a keeping in temptation [Revelation 3:10].."
(Word Studies..., p. 466).

Grattan Guinness (1835-1910) a contemporary of M.Vincent,wrote: "...the Church is on earth during the action of the Apocalypse..." (The Approaching End of the Age, p. 136).

Theodor Zahn (1838-1933) a contemporary of Grattan Guinness,wrote: "He will preserve...at the time of the great temptation [Rev.3:10]." (Zahn-Kommentar, I, p. 305).

I.T. Beckwith (1843-1936) a contemporary of Theodor Zahn, wrote: “The Philadelphians...are promised that they shall be carried in safety through the great trial [Rev. 3:10], they shall
not fall." (The Apocalypse of John, p. 484).

Robert Cameron (1845-1922) a contemporary of I.T. Beckwith,wrote: "The Coming for, and the Coming with, the saints, still persists, although it involves a manifest contradiction, two Second comings which is an absurdity." (emphasis mine)
(Scriptural Truth About the Lord's Return, p. 639).
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For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

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maxxflo9 Yeah I've noticed that you're pretty good at it.
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If you want truth - look at ALL the scriptures and how the church, historically understood this issue:

Early Church Fathers and the Rapture

While there are dissenting views, this list compiles a time-line from Christ to early church fathers to near current Christian thinking on the rapture timing - most of these authors lifespan overlapped each other.

Jesus Christ (O-33) said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven....and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30).

John (6-101) a disciple of Jesus Christ, wrote: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass...and them that had gotten the victory over the beast (antichrist) and over his image, and over his mark, and over
the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass..." (Rev.15:2).

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german7 In the Matthew passage Jesus Christ is not talking about the Rapture.

In the Revelations passage it appears that John is talking about an event that he saw in heaven, that again is not directly related to the Rapture.

As for the rest of the people on your list seeing as how there are too many of them and it's not directly from the Bible I shall just leave them.

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If you want truth - look at ALL the scriptures and how the church, historically understood this issue:

Early Church Fathers and the Rapture

While there are dissenting views, this list compiles a time-line from Christ to early church fathers to near current Christian thinking on the rapture timing - most of these authors lifespan overlapped each other.

Jesus Christ (O-33) said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven....and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30).

John (6-101) a disciple of Jesus Christ, wrote: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass...and them that had gotten the victory over the beast (antichrist) and over his image, and over his mark, and over
the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass..." (Rev.15:2).
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german7: In the Matthew passage Jesus Christ is not talking about the Rapture.

In the Revelations passage it appears that John is talking about an event that he saw in heaven, that again is not directly related to the Rapture.

As for the rest of the people on your list seeing as how there are too many of them and it's not directly from the Bible I shall just leave them.

kitty: Please quit with the spam, I've just had to delete 5 of your posts. This is a discussion thread and other people will be put off replying if they feel that their post will be lost in a sea of verbiage.
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The point he's making is the same point I've been saying.

1. Jesus never said that Believers will miss Tribulation. Luke 21:36 is taken out of context for the "rapture".

2. Both Peter and John wrote epistles AFTER Paul wrote his. A "rapture" - IF it had been revealed to Paul - would have been mentioned by them. Yet they say NOTHING about "it".

3. There's no mention of a "rapture" in the Revelation "sequence of events". The verse to the church in Philadelphia is doesn't mean a "rapture" of all Believers before Tribulation. An event that "stupendous" would SURELY have been mentioned by Jesus - to John.

4. The idea of a "rapture" being "hidden" in the scriptures for 1800+ years is therefore erroneous. It's a deception to "divide" the body of Christ. "Paul ONLY for gentiles" divides the body of Christ.
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For centuries "theologians" have made doctrines by taking verses and snippets and coddling them together to "prove" them to be true.

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maxxflo9 Yeah I've noticed that you're pretty good at it.
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If you want truth - look at ALL the scriptures and how the church, historically understood this issue:

Early Church Fathers and the Rapture

While there are dissenting views, this list compiles a time-line from Christ to early church fathers to near current Christian thinking on the rapture timing - most of these authors lifespan overlapped each other.

Jesus Christ (O-33) said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven....and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30).

John (6-101) a disciple of Jesus Christ, wrote: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass...and them that had gotten the victory over the beast (antichrist) and over his image, and over his mark, and over
the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass..." (Rev.15:2).

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german7 In the Matthew passage Jesus Christ is not talking about the Rapture.

In the Revelations passage it appears that John is talking about an event that he saw in heaven, that again is not directly related to the Rapture.

As for the rest of the people on your list seeing as how there are too many of them and it's not directly from the Bible I shall just leave them.

kitty Please quit with the spam, I've just had to delete 5 of your posts. This is a discussion thread and other people will be put off replying if they feel that their post will be lost in a sea of verbiage.
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The disciples asked him about the end of the age - and Jesus, who is God - did not forget to mention the blessed hope! You deny it because you assume a pre-trib rapture - but GOD said, "after the tribulations of those days . . . " I will not change what God said
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The disciples asked him about the end of the age - and Jesus, who is God - did not forget to mention the blessed hope! You deny it because you assume a pre-trib rapture - but GOD said, "after the tribulations of those days . . . " I will not change what God said
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german5 So am I expected to search through the Bible to find the passage that you are referring to because you are too lazy to quote it properly?
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The disciples asked him about the end of the age - and Jesus, who is God - did not forget to mention the blessed hope! You deny it because you assume a pre-trib rapture - but GOD said, "after the tribulations of those days . . . " I will not change what God said
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"but GOD said, WHAT IS "after the tribulations of those days . . . ""


It doesn't say the Rapture is after those days.
You do.
Why?
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:bridec: Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.:4horseman:

Hab 3:5 If you are still here after the Rapture then it was because you ignored all the warnings, and where not right with the Lord when it happened. You may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint because you could be wiped out in an instant by a nuclear bomb or some other means. And that would be it as far as you are concerned.
There are many people with a blasé attitude why have latched onto all kinds of lying doctrines, because they want to have their cake and eat it. And that is something that is going to work against you.
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The bible makes it clear there is no pre tribulation rapture . You are not better than anyone else . Jesus is here and always has been , he never left . Some may go through the last weeks with god's armour in place which is an armour of light but we all still go through it .
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Why does the idea that Jesus Christ might spare His Believers from His Judgment upon the evil world bother so many people?
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See?, I will say it again.. Paul and Peter are false apostles with John and James are the sons of thunder, the noisy bunch.

Can you not see what these narrowed mind rapturetards doing?, they want you to dance and agreed to their useless bullshit, they want you to follow theirs empty ways without any understanding.

There is only tribulation and those who talked crap about rapture had already had its own soul raptured before our Almighty God holy face or another soulless beasts of the earth with up to seven unclean spirits blabbering and partying inside without any wisdom nor understanding whatsoever, let alone any dot to connected.

Then the Lord said: “Therefore, to what shall I compare the men of this generation? And to what are they similar?

They are like children sitting in the marketplace [online], talking with one another, and saying: ‘We sang to you, and you did not dance. We lamented, and you did not weep.’


For John the Baptist came, neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’

The Son of man came, eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Behold, a voracious man and a drinker of wine, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners.’

But wisdom is justified by all her children.” - Jesus in Luke 7:31-35
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The bible makes it clear there is no pre tribulation rapture .
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I disagree.
You are not better than anyone else .
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I agree.
Jesus is here and always has been , he never left .
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Really? Take me to him. His Spirit is still here.
Some may go through the last weeks with god's armour in place which is an armour of light but we all still go through it .
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I disagree. That is merely your own opinion.
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See?, I will say it again.. Paul and Peter are false apostles
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You are False and preposterously, foolishly arrogant.
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The idea that Jesus might spare His Own from His Own Wrath upon the world that hates Him is too much for some that know Jesus wouldn't choose them...
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See?, I will say it again.. Paul and Peter are false apostles
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You are False and preposterously, foolishly arrogant.
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You see that kingdom of God mothership?, no you cannot and you will not come with me into the kingdom of God neither.

And have funs with the false apostles in next reincarnation.
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Rapture-hater,

Do you preach Jesus Christ?
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See?, I will say it again.. Paul and Peter are false apostles
 Quoting: John The Baptist 78972954


You are False and preposterously, foolishly arrogant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972699


You see that kingdom of God mothership?, no you cannot and you will not come with me into the kingdom of God neither.

And have funs with the false apostles in next reincarnation.
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^ Can only be deceived by The Deception.
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See?, I will say it again.. Paul and Peter are false apostles
 Quoting: John The Baptist 78972954


You are False and preposterously, foolishly arrogant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972699


You see that kingdom of God mothership?, no you cannot and you will not come with me into the kingdom of God neither.

And have funs with the false apostles in next reincarnation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972954


^ Can only be deceived by The Deception.
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^ Wished he was never born.

Thread: So You Wanted To Know Who The Son Of Perdition Is? (Page 6)
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Jesus is here and always has been , he never left .
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So you say.

The Bible says:


Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,

who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.


Acts 1:9-11
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You are False and preposterously, foolishly arrogant.
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You see that kingdom of God mothership?, no you cannot and you will not come with me into the kingdom of God neither.

And have funs with the false apostles in next reincarnation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972954


^ Can only be deceived by The Deception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972699


^ Wished he was never born.

Thread: So You Wanted To Know Who The Son Of Perdition Is? (Page 6)
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You lie about me now?

Jesus Christ KNOWS that I live only for Him.

And Jesus Christ knows you...
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The disciples asked him about the end of the age - and Jesus, who is God - did not forget to mention the blessed hope! You deny it because you assume a pre-trib rapture - but GOD said, "after the tribulations of those days . . . " I will not change what God said
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german5 So am I expected to search through the Bible to find the passage that you are referring to because you are too lazy to quote it properly?
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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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kingdom of God mothership?
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pick
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The disciples asked him about the end of the age - and Jesus, who is God - did not forget to mention the blessed hope! You deny it because you assume a pre-trib rapture - but GOD said, "after the tribulations of those days . . . " I will not change what God said
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"but GOD said, WHAT IS "after the tribulations of those days . . . ""


It doesn't say the Rapture is after those days.
You do.
Why?
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If you ACTUALLY READ the chapter the CONTEXT is evident. And since the word rapture is not used anywhere in the bible suggest you understand words meaning the same thing.
Our being gathered together . . . and such words used by Jesus in Matt 24 and Paul in II Thes 2

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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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I know The Bible very well.

The Bible does not say that the Rapture is "after the tribulation of those days."

You say that.

Why do you say what The Bible does not say as if what you say is the truth?





GLP