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Heed my words.


Yet more proof that the pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, as Hollywood is promoting it. Jesus returns at the last (7th) trumpet, not before. That's when the rapture takes place, and the dead in Christ arise and those few who remain alive are changed into their spiritual form. We never leave the earth.

Paul's words were in colloquial Greek and when he says "clouds" he is quoting the book of Enoch, as Jude did, and referencing Jesus returning with great "clouds" of angels,or a great multitude of angels.

The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.

In The Book of Matthew, the parable of the wheat and the tares, the tares are bundled up and then harvested first (the unbelievers), then the wheat (the believers) are gathered up.

Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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Heck yeah! I've always thought that was weird... it's not the second coming if it's actually gonna be the 3rd if the rapture were true. I've always questioned why he left us instructions for what is to come, how it happens & what to be on the look out for if he's already supposedly raptured us. Who is he talking to if not believers? He's not telling the non believers what to expect, he's telling believers about the end times so they can prepare, so the rapture is false. He's not telling us about what is to come if we are not supposed to live in it
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Heck yeah! I've always thought that was weird... it's not the second coming if it's actually gonna be the 3rd if the rapture were true. I've always questioned why he left us instructions for what is to come, how it happens & what to be on the look out for if he's already supposedly raptured us. Who is he talking to if not believers? He's not telling the non believers what to expect, he's telling believers about the end times so they can prepare, so the rapture is false. He's not telling us about what is to come if we are not supposed to live in it
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Heed my words.



The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.



Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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your words are false. the pre-trib rapture event is correct.
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shhhh,dont upset the sheeple sheep
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Heed my words.



The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.



Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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bsmeter2


your words are false. the pre-trib rapture event is correct.
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Believe what you will. I have provided scriptural evidence for my claim, whilst you have provided none for yours. My words are truth. You promote false and deceptive doctrine with no biblical evidence for it.
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We will go through tribulation, but not wrath. Give us your scriptures that shows the church suffering through the wrath judgments.
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so the baptists and other conservative
protestants have just been punked by jesuits?
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Notice how the angel tells Lot that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah could not begin until Lot was removed from the city:

"Escape there quickly, for I can do nothing till you arrive there"

Genesis 19:22

Jesus said His return would be just like that day, the righeous removed before wrath:

"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

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Heed my words.



The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.



Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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bsmeter2


your words are false. the pre-trib rapture event is correct.
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Believe what you will. I have provided scriptural evidence for my claim, whilst you have provided none for yours. My words are truth. You promote false and deceptive doctrine with no biblical evidence for it.
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the evidence of the pre-trib rapture event has been provided numerous times in numerous threads.

Again, your words, doctorine, and interpretation of scripture is faulty,flawed and deceptive.
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Heed my words.


Yet more proof that the pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, as Hollywood is promoting it. Jesus returns at the last (7th) trumpet, not before. That's when the rapture takes place, and the dead in Christ arise and those few who remain alive are changed into their spiritual form. We never leave the earth.

Paul's words were in colloquial Greek and when he says "clouds" he is quoting the book of Enoch, as Jude did, and referencing Jesus returning with great "clouds" of angels,or a great multitude of angels.

The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.

In The Book of Matthew, the parable of the wheat and the tares, the tares are bundled up and then harvested first (the unbelievers), then the wheat (the believers) are gathered up.

Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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This is exactly what I've been saying in all those "Jesus is coming tomorrow" threads. Thanks, OP. 5 stars.
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We will go through tribulation, but not wrath. Give us your scriptures that shows the church suffering through the wrath judgments.
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Correct. Tribulation is Satan's wrath.

The wrath of God comes after.
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The fact that Hollywood is making movies about it makes me suspicious.

Hollywood is satanic to the core. Why would I believe them on anything, especially regarding faith?
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Heed my words.


Yet more proof that the pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, as Hollywood is promoting it. Jesus returns at the last (7th) trumpet, not before. That's when the rapture takes place, and the dead in Christ arise and those few who remain alive are changed into their spiritual form. We never leave the earth.

Paul's words were in colloquial Greek and when he says "clouds" he is quoting the book of Enoch, as Jude did, and referencing Jesus returning with great "clouds" of angels,or a great multitude of angels.

The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine, authored by Jesuits who's goal was to set people up for the false rapture deception described by Jesus himself in Luke 17, 20-37. The ones that are taken first are taken to die.

In The Book of Matthew, the parable of the wheat and the tares, the tares are bundled up and then harvested first (the unbelievers), then the wheat (the believers) are gathered up.

Do not believe the false doctrine in the "left behind" series. Its a lie and a massive deception. Just remember, if anything or anyone tries to "rapture" You and you have not seen the dead in Christ rise first and you are not in your spiritual form, it is false and a deception.
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This is all good except to understand that the dead in Christ are already back with the Father. In fact all go back the moment their flesh dies and it happens instantaneously the instant one dies and the silver cord is parted.

The reason I mention this is the wicked angels may feign a resurrection of the dead which is well within their capability to do parading around like they are people that have long since passed on.

One does not want to be second guessing events when satan is cast out of heaven posing as he is God which is why if you see people that are supposed to be dead come back and YOU are not yourself also in a spiritual body, then the entity everyone will be saying is God, will in truth be satan.
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Jesus gives us the 2 Old Testament examples of Noah and Lot. Noah lived through the tribulation of the Fallen Angels and their offspring the Nephilim, but did not suffer the wrath of the flood. Lot suffered tribulation in his city but did not suffer in the wrath of its destruction. Both were removed from wrath by God. This is why Jesus gives their examples and only those 2 examples of the days before His coming for us.
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Notice how the angel tells Lot that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah could not begin until Lot was removed from the city:

"Escape there quickly, for I can do nothing till you arrive there"

Genesis 19:22

Jesus said His return would be just like that day, the righeous removed before wrath:

"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Like 17:28-30
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You and the OP are correct:

- No pre-trib
- Believers will be here for the Tribulation
- When Yeshua returns, the believers and the "dead in Christ" are harvested.
- THEN, the Day of the Lord (God's Wrath), the 7th Trumpet bringing the 7 vials, commences.
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We will go through tribulation, but not wrath. Give us your scriptures that shows the church suffering through the wrath judgments.
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I wrote out a response to you and have tried to post it several times and it will not show up, how strange. I will try again after I see if this post shows up.
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Christians in the 10/40 window are now going through the obvious tribulation, the physical kind. The tribulation Christians go through in the western world is very subtle, the spiritual kind. Jesus tells us which is worse:

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Matthew 10:28

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Just blame the Jesuits, its the new Jew did it.
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We will go through tribulation, but not wrath. Give us your scriptures that shows the church suffering through the wrath judgments.
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Isaiah 17

6 Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the Lord God of Israel.

7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
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^

God will not have wrath against those He is pleased with.

And is well within His abilities to leave them right here on the Earth when Christ finally returns.
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I AGREE . . .the rapture is pre-wrath. There is NO pre tribulation rapture. This message was given to me on the 16th of November, and I submit it to you in Jesus Name.hf


****THE MESSAGE****

“Write, for the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are yea and amen. They have not been done away with. As you offer these gifts in Jesus Name and they are refused do not doubt in your heart. You have done what I have called you do. Time is so short for the rule of mankind that it would startle your mind if I were to tell you of the time of my intervention. As you know, the days to come will eventually be so horrific that I will have to intervene and put a stop to the coming tribulation and wrath or all of mankind would die.

It is according to my calling and election that you and your family, each and every member, is alive at this exact period of time. My daughter you had better believe the following. Fear has no part in this; as I will carry my Beloved Ones trough the fiery trials that are to come. I tell you to remind others when the trials ware them down, I will for a season carry them along. Do you recall the painting, “Footsteps In The Sand?” That painting was inspired by my Holy Spirit.

My daughter I desire you stress to all people what a glorious reality it is to be a son or daughter of the Most High God of the Universe and Endless Ages. I alone see into every heart and mind. I am ever knowing, and my judgment is just and true. I make no mistakes.

I am God Almighty and I change not. I am the same yesterday, today and always. My principles remain consistent. Rebellion, lawlessness, and a life style of sin bring eternal death in the lake of fire unless repented of.
Now, my beloved daughter you are one of the people I have chosen to be my scribe and my mouthpiece.

WARN AMERICANS . . . warn them now! You know time for mankind’s rule is fast slipping away.

BY NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME THE WORLD WILL BE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.

Everything I have written in my Scripture by my Holy Spirit will either be fulfilled or be in the process of fulfillment. People speak foolishness when they say, “we don’t know the day or the hour,” and then ADD . . . “there is no reason to be concerned regarding the coming of Christ.” They reason His return may be hundreds of years away. NO, NO, NO, and again I say NO, thus says the Lord God Almighty. Soon and very soon shall be that Great and Notable Day of the Lord.

All human beings around the entire world will see the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN as the sky rolls back as a scroll. The majority of mankind will scream in terror as they ask for the mountains and rocks to fall on them.

ONLY my beloved ones will be safe. [Read Revelation chapter 6:12-17]

My Saints will be CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye and given bodies like Jesus glorious body. [Read 1 Corinthians 15:51-55]

WHEN THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN APPEARS; I WILL GATHER MY ELECT, My Saints who are IN Jesus Christ from around the world, into My Holy Heaven.

In addition: on that day millions will go directly to hell with an eternity ahead of endless suffering. Tell everyone to read my Book, my Holy Bible. My purpose and plan has never been hidden from my people. It has been written and sealed with the BLOOD OF MESSIAH, the Lord Jesus Christ. As it is written so shall it come to pass.

My daughter, I ask that you send this message far and wide. Hold nothing back. I ask all of my beloved ones in Jesus Christ to love, honor and serve the Most High God of all love and power. Yea, I will be with you even to the end of this age, and on into an eternity of joy and glory without end.”

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This is all good except to understand that the dead in Christ are already back with the Father. In fact all go back the moment their flesh dies and it happens instantaneously the instant one dies and the silver cord is parted.

The reason I mention this is the wicked angels may feign a resurrection of the dead which is well within their capability to do parading around like they are people that have long since passed on.

One does not want to be second guessing events when satan is cast out of heaven posing as he is God which is why if you see people that are supposed to be dead come back and YOU are not yourself also in a spiritual body, then the entity everyone will be saying is God, will in truth be satan.
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No, this is very incorrect.

No man has ever gone to heaven ... that is clearly in the Bible also.

John 1:18
No one has seen Gold at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.


The Bible clearly states that when you die, you sleep in your grave until the Resurrection.

Many examples of "rested with his fathers" (or as rendered in KJV, NAS, RSV - sleep with his fathers") ....

1 Kings 2:10, 11:21, 11:43, 14:20, 14:31, 15:8, 15:24, 16:6, 16:28, 22:40, 22:50

2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29, 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6

2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2, 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:22, 33:20

Acts 13:36
For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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We will go through tribulation, but not wrath. Give us your scriptures that shows the church suffering through the wrath judgments.
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Isaiah 17

6 Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the Lord God of Israel.

7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
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And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.

5And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.

6Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel.

7At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.

He gathers some, and leaves others? How does this explain your comment?

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It's all bullshit, so doesn't really matter, let the tards believe what they want,
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May I ask a question for those who are well-versed in the Bible.

How do you find/remember/come up with Bible verses so quickly to help you prove doctrine?

No matter how many times I read key verses, I only vaguely remember some words in order to use Biblegateway or a concordance to find the verses ... and it still takes me a long while. Yet, many of you find verses within minutes in order to post a response.

What is the key that I am missing?

I want to be able to evangelize more, but refrain from doing so since I can not come up with verses for a timely response.
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Time, practice, lots of studying over the years.
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Something weird is definitely going on. I have been trying to post a response and it's simply not letting me, over and over again.
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This is all good except to understand that the dead in Christ are already back with the Father. In fact all go back the moment their flesh dies and it happens instantaneously the instant one dies and the silver cord is parted.

The reason I mention this is the wicked angels may feign a resurrection of the dead which is well within their capability to do parading around like they are people that have long since passed on.

One does not want to be second guessing events when satan is cast out of heaven posing as he is God which is why if you see people that are supposed to be dead come back and YOU are not yourself also in a spiritual body, then the entity everyone will be saying is God, will in truth be satan.
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No, this is very incorrect.

No man has ever gone to heaven ... that is clearly in the Bible also.

John 1:18
No one has seen Gold at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.


The Bible clearly states that when you die, you sleep in your grave until the Resurrection.

Many examples of "rested with his fathers" (or as rendered in KJV, NAS, RSV - sleep with his fathers") ....

1 Kings 2:10, 11:21, 11:43, 14:20, 14:31, 15:8, 15:24, 16:6, 16:28, 22:40, 22:50

2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29, 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6

2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2, 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:22, 33:20

Acts 13:36
For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
 Quoting: OnTheFence


Men in flesh can't see heaven, but souls in spiritual bodies certainly can. Lazarus and the rich man should come to mind.

Mens souls come from God as in the verse John 3:13 you quoted. You came from heaven and were placed in the flesh the moment conceived in your mothers womb.

What that verse is telling you is that the angels that left their first estate without coming through the flesh can not inherit heaven, but all who are in flesh can through Christ.
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Re: The Pre-tribulation Rapture is Jesuit authored FALSE DOCTRINE!
Something weird is definitely going on. I have been trying to post a response and it's simply not letting me, over and over again.
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Maybe a link or a word that is triggering the filters?





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