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Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

 
Judethz  (OP)

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Why does the idea that Jesus Christ might spare His Believers from His Judgment upon the evil world bother so many people?
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pinkballoon Because they are children of the devil they do his will. They know full well that they will be here for the Great Tribulation (if they do not die for some other reason first) and it literally drives them mad to see others doing the Lord's work and trying to help in saving their souls.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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I know The Bible very well.

The Bible does not say that the Rapture is "after the tribulation of those days."

You say that.

Why do you say what The Bible does not say as if what you say is the truth?
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Matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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If you ACTUALLY READ the chapter the CONTEXT is evident. And since the word rapture is not used anywhere in the bible suggest you understand words meaning the same thing.
Our being gathered together . . . and such words used by Jesus in Matt 24 and Paul in II Thes 2
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Been studying it continuously since 1981.

You IMPOSE YOUR OWN IDEA upon the Text.

Your understanding does not dictate actual proper context, your majesty.
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It's fascinating that I entirely believe The Pre-Tribulation Rapture to be true, yet never insist more than that it is my understanding, my belief and my opinion, and I understand and accept that I could be wrong, and if so, I am quite willing to continue to Testify of Faith in Jesus Christ and die for it if necessary

but Rapture-haters NEVER acknowledge that it is possible that they are wrong, that they misunderstand, that they do not see or hear, and that everything is not always only exactly as they say

yet they don't preach Jesus Christ now

but they will become might warriors preaching Faith in Jesus Christ then?
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Rapture-hater,

Maybe I believe Jesus Christ more than you do?

Is that possible?
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Rapture-hater,

Does Jesus Christ have the right to decide that I believe in Him more than you believe in Him if that's what He decides to do?

Rapture-hater,

Does Jesus Christ have the right to say "Come!" and His Own are suddenly taken to be with Him where He is

and to tell others that claim they believe to go away from Him because He never knew them?

Does Jesus Christ have that right?

Does Jesus Christ need YOUR agreement, approval or permission?

Yes, you keep telling us we are wrong.

Maybe YOU are wrong.
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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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I know The Bible very well.

The Bible does not say that the Rapture is "after the tribulation of those days."

You say that.

Why do you say what The Bible does not say as if what you say is the truth?
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Matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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From heaven huh?
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Would you like, right this very moment, to be most astonished to find yourself suddenly seized away without warning,
and then to find yourself suddenly standing before Jesus Christ, and then to remain with Him forever thereafter?
Right now. Can you say Yes?
hmm
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But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always
that you may be counted worthy to escape
all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalm 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth
.


Revelation 3:10


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ


1 Thessalonians 5:4-9


I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?


Romans 11:11-15


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:35,36
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You see that kingdom of God mothership?, no you cannot and you will not come with me into the kingdom of God neither.

And have funs with the false apostles in next reincarnation.
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^ Can only be deceived by The Deception.
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^ Wished he was never born.

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You lie about me now?

Jesus Christ KNOWS that I live only for Him.

And Jesus Christ knows you...
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You are mental unstable and not ready to enter the kingdom of God with zwo derp state and the false apostles.

Again, my Lord Jesus agreed.
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And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

1Thessalonians 3:12,13
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You are mental unstable and not ready to enter the kingdom of God with zwo derp state and the false apostles.
Again, my Lord Jesus agreed.
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1rof1

Keep accusing me.

By your own words
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with all His saints.

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You must make the most important decision of your own life. Today is the day of salvation.  Please accept and trust the Lord Jesus Christ today as your Savior. He is the only way the truth and the life. Take time to think about your soul for it is eternal either in Heaven if you are saved or in hell fire if you are not saved. Won't you get saved today?
God bless you.


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Thank you for posting. I struggle with this very issue daily. I don't live right and I am having more nightmares about after death. I'm 65 next month and I am worried.
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Read the words of Jesus Christ.




Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.


Matthew 11:28-30
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You are mental unstable and not ready to enter the kingdom of God with zwo derp state and the false apostles.
Again, my Lord Jesus agreed.
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1rof1

Keep accusing me.

By your own words
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You have no idea how the Spirit work do you?.

What did you expect?, another 6000 years wait for the second coming?.

And if two material chunk of metal can communicated with 'wifi' between each other, then why can't you?.

See?, we the Spirits of God created all things from the beginning, and I do not need to accuse other, let alone strive.. nor hate, neither fear for all these things from ego.

Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he [Elijah the prophet] shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets [but online]. A bruised reed shall he not break [broadband], and smoking flax shall he not quench [from toking bong], till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. - Lord Jesus in Matthew 12:18-21
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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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I know The Bible very well.

The Bible does not say that the Rapture is "after the tribulation of those days."

You say that.

Why do you say what The Bible does not say as if what you say is the truth?
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Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
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I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Je'ws a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Je'ws and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.



For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.



But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.



Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ


For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.



Paul
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Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
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Yes. The Two Witnesses...


Whatever you do, don't read this:

Thread: The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

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Ha ha ha ha.. I have met many smartass demons that is wiser than Paul the false apostle.

I know where you dwell, where the seat of Satan is, and that you hold to my name and have not denied my faith, even in those days when Antipas was my faithful witness, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells.

But I have a few things against you. For you have, in that place, those who hold to the doctrine of Balaam, who instructed Balak to cast a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat [meat and unclean sacrifice animals - Kosher is same as Halal and an abomination to Almighty God] and to commit fornication [with sons of men].

And you also have those who hold to the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.

So do penance to the same extent. If you do less, I will come to you quickly and I will fight against these ones with the sword of my mouth. - Revelation 2:13-16 Vulgate Bible
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Doesn't it seem that they would, if they could, demand and enforce that no one may believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture?
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The only pre tribulation I know is the indignation after the transgressions that had happened under four kings that is Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

And are we not in the indignation lockdown?.

When he spoke to me, I fell to the ground and touched me and set me on my feet.

he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation [earlier before first tribulation]: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

The ram which thou sawest having two horns [G H.W Bush and ZWO Deep State] are the kings of [fake news] Media and [ISIS in] Persia.

And the rough goat is the king of Grecia [Europe]: and the great horn that is between its eyes is the first king [first Tptb].

Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kings shall stand up out of the nation [Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama], but not with his power.

And after the time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come, there shall arise a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences [Trump].

And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and the men above that which is impossible to believe, everything will be eradicated, and he will prosper, and he will act. And he will execute the successful and the people of the holy,

And through his policy he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and his heart shall be puffed up, and in their security shall he destroy many: he shall rise up against the Lord of lords, and he will be broken without hand.

During the evening and morning [North America/Canada morning and North Europe evening time will be told online], which was told is true: seal up the vision for the distant future, it will occur.

And I, Daniel, fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business: and I wondered at the vision, and there was none that could interpret them. - Daniel 8:18-27 Vulgate Bible


Thread: So You Wanted To Know Who The Son Of Perdition Is? (Page 5)

And there is two great tribulations, one is the fierce angers and dreadful day of the Lord, and the second millennia shift will occurs on 24th October 2029 since the fall of Atlantis.

Notice the similarity with power from above and rider riding the red, white, black and pale horses in my Daniel prophecies with Revelation of John the Baptist?.
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The only pre tribulation I know is the indignation after the transgressions that had happened under four kings that is Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

And are we not in the indignation lockdown?.

When he spoke to me, I fell to the ground and touched me and set me on my feet.

he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation [earlier before first tribulation]: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

The ram which thou sawest having two horns [G H.W Bush and ZWO Deep State] are the kings of [fake news] Media and [ISIS in] Persia.

And the rough goat is the king of Grecia [Europe]: and the great horn that is between its eyes is the first king [first Tptb].

Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kings shall stand up out of the nation [Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama], but not with his power.

And after the time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come, there shall arise a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences [Trump].

And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and the men above that which is impossible to believe, everything will be eradicated, and he will prosper, and he will act. And he will execute the successful and the people of the holy,

And through his policy he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and his heart shall be puffed up, and in their security shall he destroy many: he shall rise up against the Lord of lords, and he will be broken without hand.

During the evening and morning [North America/Canada morning and North Europe evening time will be told online], which was told is true: seal up the vision for the distant future, it will occur.

And I, Daniel, fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business: and I wondered at the vision, and there was none that could interpret them. - Daniel 8:18-27 Vulgate Bible


Thread: So You Wanted To Know Who The Son Of Perdition Is? (Page 5)

And there is two great tribulations, one is the fierce angers and dreadful day of the Lord, and the second millennia shift will occurs on 24th October 2029 since the fall of Atlantis.

Notice the similarity with power from above and rider riding the red, white, black and pale horses in my Daniel prophecies with Revelation of John the Baptist?.
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Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;

Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.


For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20-21

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If you do not recognize "after the tribulation of those days" is in Matthew 24 you do not know your bible very well.
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I know The Bible very well.

The Bible does not say that the Rapture is "after the tribulation of those days."

You say that.

Why do you say what The Bible does not say as if what you say is the truth?
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Matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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white3pinkslip The Great Tribulation and the Rapture are two separate events. Also the Rapture happens in the twinkling of an eye, so there is hardly any time for the tribes of the earth to mourn.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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Re: Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.
Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;

Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.


For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20-21
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


The word, "indignation" is anger from having been treated unjustly. So, let indignation run it's course.
Let it go and be finished.

These words of Isaiah may be prophetic for us in coming days.

If there is a time when we must enter into our private rooms and commit ourselves to God in prayer, then expect to be protected.
Close your doors behind you.
Be safe, be calmed and at rest.

The Lord says, "Come, my people.." He is expressing a loving concern and affection for those who are His people.
He tells us, "I will never leave you nor forsake you."
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Re: Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.
white3::pinkslip: The Great Tribulation and the Rapture are two separate events. Also the Rapture happens in the twinkling of an eye, so there is hardly any time for the tribes of the earth to mourn.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 Quoting: Judethz


NO rapture.

Jesus only returns once - to start the Millenial Kingdom.
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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It's fascinating that I entirely believe The Pre-Tribulation Rapture to be true, yet never insist more than that it is my understanding, my belief and my opinion, and I understand and accept that I could be wrong, and if so, I am quite willing to continue to Testify of Faith in Jesus Christ and die for it if necessary

but Rapture-haters NEVER acknowledge that it is possible that they are wrong, that they misunderstand, that they do not see or hear, and that everything is not always only exactly as they say

yet they don't preach Jesus Christ now

but they will become might warriors preaching Faith in Jesus Christ then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972699


BINGO!!! I agree 100%... I don't care if someone believes in rapture but these folks that say pre-tribers are wrong is the height of arrogance... belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin is the ONLY thing that matters... I don't think belief in rapture, although I do, is a salvational issue... These rapture haters are just haters...
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white3::pinkslip: The Great Tribulation and the Rapture are two separate events. Also the Rapture happens in the twinkling of an eye, so there is hardly any time for the tribes of the earth to mourn.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 Quoting: Judethz


NO rapture.

Jesus only returns once - to start the Millenial Kingdom.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


do you go to a church set up like Paul's church in Antioch, with pastors, bishops and deacons... because this is totally a Pauline doctrine, the doctrine "christain" churches follow today, ... COMPLETELY unknown to the 12

or do you go to a synagogue resembling Peters temple with a high priest, rabbi's, scribes, Pharisees, ect ... complete with observance of ALL the feast days, laws and kosher requirements...

...and please tell me how these 2 systems and doctrines are the same...
... please show me where Jesus ever went to a pastor or decon...
... please show me where Jesus was ever called a "high pastor" instead of "high priest"

there's a reason GOD sent us Paul... but, you assume you know more than GOD ...

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Re: Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.
It's fascinating that I entirely believe The Pre-Tribulation Rapture to be true, yet never insist more than that it is my understanding, my belief and my opinion, and I understand and accept that I could be wrong, and if so, I am quite willing to continue to Testify of Faith in Jesus Christ and die for it if necessary

but Rapture-haters NEVER acknowledge that it is possible that they are wrong, that they misunderstand, that they do not see or hear, and that everything is not always only exactly as they say

yet they don't preach Jesus Christ now

but they will become might warriors preaching Faith in Jesus Christ then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78972699


Amen, I think that may be the reason the Jesus taught the love of many will grow cold. Pre-Trib rapture or not we are to follow Jesus.

Jesus said the nation will rise against nation. The Greek word used can mean tribe or ethnicity. That is happening now. Pestilences happening now.

Jesus also said time would speed up. That seems to be happening now.

Many being offended? That's a given.

Matthew 24 seems to be humming along.

We are going to be delivered up to be afflicted and
killed. Not for some political idea, but for our faith in Christ.

May the Most High Father of us all bless us all





GLP