Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

After the tribulation, what?

It doesn't say rapture. It doesn't say harpazo.


The Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Who is Jacob?

It say gather the elect.

Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.

Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

Psalm 27:5

Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

Revelation 3:10


Why is there no further reference of the Church in Revelation?

Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

Revelation 3:10


Why is there no further reference of the Church in Revelation?

When is "the Indignation"?

When is "the day of the Lord's anger"?

When is "the time of trouble"?

Jesus comes to earth.

Where do you say they are taken up to?

To meet Christ in the air. Dead first and then living.

Revelation 3:10 (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

An hour represents a period of time. In this case it will be for 7 years.

The 7 yr Tribulation then begins (1 Thess. 5:1-11 immediately after Paul’s discussion of the rapture in ch. 4:13-18 he then describes what comes next: the Day of the Lord, sudden destruction, no escape for those people who live in darkness. We are to watch for His rapture and be sober, knowing that we are not appointed to His wrath. That whether we be alive or dead at the time of His rapture, we will then live together with Him. Where will we live with Him? John 14:1-3 in His “Father’s House” in heaven during the Tribulation; Isa 26:20 “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast”)

Luke 21:36
36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

The 4 gospels and Revelation show a sequence of events that primarily shows Israel and what happens to it. The Olivet Discourse was addressed to the nation of Israel. If you want to read of Yahshua(Jesus) talking about His Church, you need to look at the Upper Room Discourse.

The first 3 chapters of Revelation do talk about the Church, but after the angel of the Lord tells Paul to "Come up here", then the remainder of Revelation no longer talks about the Church on earth. Although I do think it makes a reference to the Church in heaven at that time with the reference to the 24 elders.

There is a difference between the word 'tribulation' and the word 'Tribulation'. The former is something that we believers must endure in our daily lives, especially those unfortunate enough to live in the Muslim world where they are being martyred as we write this. The latter is referring to the 7 yr Tribulation, also known as Daniel's 70th Week and the "Time of Jacob's Trouble." It is spelled with a big "T". It's important not to conflate the two.

But if it will make it more understandable, we can just call that time in the Book of Revelation as the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble', which lasts 7 yrs. It is a special time, not related to our daily tribulations, but it is rather related to, well, the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble'. Who was Jacob? God later changed his name to 'Israel'. And the nation of Israel later took it's name from him.

And the time of this trouble? The 70th Week of Daniel, which will last for 7 yrs. This is a time of trouble for the nation of Israel that will last for 7 yrs. It is not the 'Time of the Church's Trouble', it is the time of Israel's trouble. And it is also the time of trouble for the rest of the unbelieving world as well.

Paul was the primary Apostle to the Gentiles. He loved his Israeli kin, and tried to convert them whenever he could, but his main focus was on the Church, especially later in his career after Israel had proven to him that they would continue to reject their Messiah.

Yahshua(Jesus) came to preach to Israel. He was teaching a Kingdom message. His main focus was correcting the faith of Israel, and letting them know their Messiah had come, and would have to die for all people. That was His message. If Israel had accepted their Messiah, I think the Kingdom would have soon come after that. But they didn't accept Him, thus fulfilling the prophecies of His death and sacrifice.

Yahshua told his disciples that He had much more to teach them, but that they were not ready to hear it yet. He told them to wait for the Holy Spirit to come. He then was hung on the cross and did not get to continue those lessons Himself. But later He did send someone to complete those lessons, and that someone was the Apostle Paul. And Paul said that Yahshua's message of salvation was good for everyone, even the Gentiles. And most of what Paul wrote, was directed toward Gentiles. Fortunately, as believers we cease to be Israeli or Gentile, but become a new creature in Christ. We become the Bride of Christ. The old divisions are done away with as we are united in Christ. And this begins the Church Age.

Taken up to immediately turn around and come back down?

How long are they up for?

How do you know there is no pause when they are taken up until the wedding is complete and the wrath is over. Where does it say immediate?

Concerning Daniel's 1260, 1290 and 1335 days,

will the precise date of Jesus Christ's Second Coming be any unexpected surprise mystery?

Obviously not...

So what is the mystery then?

Behold, show me.

Where does Jesus return to?

Daniel's 70th Week is regarding who?

WHY are you being as AZZhole and making 50 single sentence posts?

Are you too much of an idiot to make a single post stating your questions etc???

ALL you are doing is TRYING to take over the thread with your endless postings.

The Two Witnesses preach to who?

The 144,000 ARE WHO?

The Purpose of The Tribulation, Daniel's 70th Week, The Time of Jacob's Trouble is specifically Israel.