Why being a Tribulation Saint is a dangerous second best choice to being Raptured.

So what?

Where does Jesus tell folks to..."follow Peter"...."follow Paul"...."follow John"????

He doesn't. Jesus said "Follow ME".

ONE Gospel - ONE church / body of Christ - neither Hebrew nor Greek.

Christ should NOT be "divided".

Where was Paul called the "high pastor"? Where is the phrase used in the KJV? It doesn't exist.

The Messianic Hebrews were kicked out of the synagogues.
That's why the Apostles met at folk's houses. CLEARLY seen in Acts. Paul too.

Ironic that Paul continuously returned to Jerusalem for Hebrew holidays.
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"Pastors" in the KJV. Several times by Jeremiah - said by Paul only once.

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"Deacons" in the KJV.

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History of "deacons".

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It is generally assumed that the office of deacon originated in the selection of seven men by the apostles, among them Stephen, to assist with the charitable work of the early church as recorded in Acts 6.

"Bishops" in the KJV - said once by Paul

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History of "bishops"

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I don't follow ANY man nor church nor denomination.

I think you're losing it. LOL

Where does Peter or Jesus ever mention deacons, pastors or bishops... if the message is the same show me...

...and do you go to a pastor or a rabbi...

Ironic that Paul continuously returned to Jerusalem for Hebrew holidays.

Paul loved the J*ws... and tried for years to give them this new revealing, apart from the law, but for the most part they didn't believe, and after the Jersalem council, it was decided Peter would only go the the j*ws, and Paul, with his pastors, deacons, bishops and new revelations, would go to the gentiles...

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you use that word "divided" a lot... I don't believe I ever said divided... Paul was given a further revealing that was unheard of before... open to EVERYONE. A totally new revealing based on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for our sins... with pastors, deacons and bishops, just like Christian churches today ... a model of Pauls church in Antioch... and THIS is where HIS followers were first called Christians.

Paul said "we preach Christ crucified" ... kinda hard for Peter to "preach Christ crucified" years before it happened...

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sorry...missed that part... and might I add, you also don't follow GOD or you would go to Paul for his message to you...

Your going to die soon but because your sheep and the great slaughter coming.

Paul said "Is Christ divided". You should KNOW the verse.

As scripture states - Jesus said "Follow ME".

Paul was the first to teach the resurrection of Christ? NONSENSE.
You need to wake up - get a grip - and read scripture.

"resurrection" in the KJV.

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Jesus - before He was killed.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Peter - on the day of Pentecost - Acts 2

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Really? Who are YOU to judge WHO I am following?

I PROVED with scripture ABOVE that Paul taught the SAME things as the other Apostles.

Paul merely used different language and terms at various times.

I go home then...

actually, you've proven how little you really do know ... you can't show me where Peter, Jesus, or ANY of the 12 ever went to anything but a priest... was Caiphas the high priest or a pastor...?

...and you clearly haven't been following GODS messenger
to the gentiles , Paul...

and that last bit about merely using different language and terms is laughable... call ANY pastor and see if he considers himself a rabbi...

there are a number of messianic J*ws today, they still keep all the holidays, feast days and festivals... and believe they are saved by faith + works, just like Jesus taught while on earth, before his further revelations given to Paul, with pastors, deacons, bishops ect... and salvation by faith alone

Followers of Paul, "body of Christ" churches don't even KNOW what these days are... much less, feel obligated to keep them....

"Really? Who are YOU to judge WHO I am following?"

coming from someone who freely judges everyone that believes in rapture... oh, the irony...

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Paul, the false apostle. The Rapture, a lie from the Pit of Hell.

The deceived on this thread are legion, like those evil demons oppressing them.

spoken like a true follower of satan....

I noticed you referenced Peter above but failed to mention who he was talking too... don't see anything about gentiles in here...

Acts 2

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words, JESUS of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you with great works, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Just a reminder to everyone: please don't overlook the wonderful message of hope that is in the Gospel of Luke.

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Keep deleting my posts. I'll keep posting them.

WHERE does Acts 2 say that there are NO GENTILES in the group that Peter is speaking to?

WHERE does scripture say that "men of Israel" in the passage DOES NOT INCLUDE gentiles.

It doesn't.

NOWHERE. It's an ASSumption.

For that matter, even the Centurion and his charges said at Christ's death....

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

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Peter is addressing exactly who he says hes addressing... "Ye Men Of Israel" the priesthood, but YOU assume to know better than Peter...

I'll bet you think the Book Of Hebrews was written to you also... guess what ... read it, it's addressed to THE HEBREWS... are you a Hebrew going to temple... if not, it's NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU

I'll bet, in your arrogance, you think the book of James is addressed to you also ... you tell me, who's James addressing his letters to?, or do you know better than James?

"James a servant of God, and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve Tribes, which are scattered abroad, salutation.

Jesus CATEGORICALLY stated he was NOT sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...

show me ANYTHING, ABSOLUTELY ANYWHERE, where gentiles are addressed in any of this... how do read something as clearly stated by GOD and not believe every word... do you think GOD wastes words... he says EXACTLY what means... you think otherwise...

and I'm still waiting for you to show me where Jesus, or James or Peter EVER went to a pastor or deacon or bishop ...
you know, like Paul's in Antioch...

With your extensive knowledge of scripture, it should be easy...

You assume to know the mind of GOD, ...satan uses your pride and arrogance to keep you blind.

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"Peter is addressing the priesthood"? NOT scriptually supported. AND there is NO EVIDENCE that there were NO gentiles in the crowd.

"satan" isn't using ANY part of me.

You're comparing what Peter said to the crowd just after Pentecost to what James WROTE in his Epistle?

PURE stupidity.

"and I'm still waiting for you to show me where Jesus, or James or Peter EVER went to a pastor or deacon or bishop ...
you know, like Paul's in Antioch..."

So WHAT? Just because Paul set up a "hierarchy" in the church DOES NOT MEAN that he taught a DIFFERENT gospel.

1. The word "pastor" is in the Old Testament.
2. MOST theologians consider Stephen and the other six 6 the first "deacons". Just because Paul uses the word in his epistle DOES NOT MEAN that he was the FIRST to "introduce" the word.
3. MOST theologians ALSO consider James to be the first "bishop". Once again, just because Paul used the word DOES NOT MEAN that he "invented" it.

MORE thoughts about James epistle.

You "Paul ONLY" folks say that BASICALLY - NONE of the New Testament applies to you EXCEPT for Paul's epsitles. This is NONSENSE since scripture PROVES that there is ONE Gospel.

Think about THIS for a moment. Do you KNOW your "lineage" dating back to Biblical times? In other words, do you KNOW whether or not you are a descendent of the 10 "Lost Tribes"?

LOOK at the research - and consider YOUR ancestors.

Thread: The Lost Tribes of Israel

Thread: Israel's Lost Empires - The Lost Ten Tribes - Dr. Steven M Collins

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You still here?

My family I was forcibly converted.

The remnant shall be saved.

The remnant will be in the flesh at the end of the Tribulation.

Hey I’m still here. We can’t be in the tribulations.

Talk about dangerous.

Can you say resurrection?

I've known you for 11 years...chill out

REALLY?

Did Jesus refuse the Centurian?

How about the Canaanite woman?

How about ....

1. Jesus was sent to ALL - "Lost sheep of Israel" came first. The Samaritans he spent several days with were NOT "under the law".

Luke 2 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

2. Jesus sent the Apostles to the "entire world".
YOU KNOW THE VERSES.

3. Paul was ALSO SENT to EVERYONE.

Acts 9 (Jesus talking to Ananias)

15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy
way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to
bear my name before
the Gentiles,
and kings,
and the children of Israel:

16 For I will shew him how great things
he must suffer for my name's sake.

4. Paul's travels, as documented in the (KJV) Book of Acts, show us that EVERYWHERE Paul went - he went to the synagogues FIRST.
This also proves that Paul had the same Gospel as the other Apostles, who were to preach "to the world".

Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19

and I'm still waiting for you to show me where Jesus, or James or Peter EVER went to a pastor or deacon or bishop ...
you know, like Paul's in Antioch...

not interested in your opinion... show me SCRIPTURE where Jesus went to a pastor...

I reckon he's still searching. LOL

for a person that demands scriptural perfection so he can tell you what to believe, he can't read plain text and understand it... he "assumes" he knows better than GOD ... I'm still waiting to see where Jesus or ANY of the 12 mention the body of Christ...

Yes we can see his problem pretty clearly. Which is that as soon as you start straying from the plain truth of the Bible you have to start constructing all kinds of convoluted clever theory's' And before you know it you've tied yourself into more knots that are in a box of pretzels.

he's no different than most folks ... he's not interested in truth, he's interested in being right... hopefully he drops the pride and GOD opens his eyes ...