Why do YOU think YOU DON'T deserve HELL?

Have you "heard The Gospel"?
This means really understood and been so moved to give your life to God. Surrender Unto The Father, in the fashion/manner I describe. Are you Ezekiel 36:26-7 Born-Again?

Only those who've heard and rejected HIM are facing condemnation. Well, then there are those who push their bullshit, carnal-hearted agendas, thinking they are doing God's Will; but Know HIM not.

Christ's Witness is that you cannot seek to save your life. You must lose your life to gain it. Surrender is the way unto God's Victory. You can't decide to do HIS Will, anymore than you can wake up and decide not to be carnal.

Anyone who never surrendered is carnally-minded. Unless you are Born-Again you cannot Know The Father and Abide With HIM.

Doesn't matter to me if you surrender or not.
My witness is only that; my experience, what I have seen and Know...

John ch. 17 is Christ's Prayer for The Remnant, the very elect.


There is no service Unto God except if HE Witnesses unto you. Living In-HIM is another way of comprehending HIM. You do become Knowledgeable of HIS Ways and HIS Will for you and grow more aware with time. At least that is how it worked for me.

If you would give your life Unto The Father:
Acknowledge Christ Jesus,
Admit and Repent of your sins,
Claim your share of Father's Infinite Mercy and Grace,
Give Father your life; all of it good & bad,
Ask HIM to send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide your life.
HE Will if you are sincere and honest...

Nothing else matters but manifestation of your heart Unto The Father. It is what we who Know WHO Christ Jesus IS were born to do.


Just like all things in life, the way of truth is simple and straightforward. Witness is all that a Born-Again can give you. If you can Trust HIM with your life, just tell HIM so. There is no wrong way to surrender, but not many are willing to do so.

Christ came to save sinners. Only sinners and purehearts seem to be able to surrender. All a matter of how desperate and broken you are. Those qualities underline willingness and sincerity. I surrendered with the hope HE Would Accept me. I Knew beyond all doubt once I had offered HIM my life that HE Accepted.

Nothing in life is uncertain if you Know HIM. All certainty and confidence arises in you because HE IS With you. Not like a get out of jail free card. More like a confident that God IS using me and HIS Will IS Perfect!

Anyway, Love HIM; or don't. Trust HIM Fully; or don't. Live in the septic-mire that is carnality; or give HIM your life and don't.

Maranatha!!!

i deserve what god thinks i deserve.



is that better?



all i can do is hope and pray my name is one of the many written in the book of life.


but i try not to worry to much about the future.its already layed out.


each day has enough trouble in its own.






thanks preacher. peace to you.

You should be.

We are to be salt.

Bless you and yours.

Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

How does "not of him that willeth" fit in with the concept of "you must make a choice"?

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A meditation on the reality of Hell...believe.

Well here are some quotes for you to think about.


Thinking they are a God


Thinking they are good


trying to say God is evil and they are good.



Here is someone who claims to be perfect




If I think there is no hell then there is no problem, Taking on the role of God.




Thinking they are God and doing away with hell.




Claiming God is Evil



another one who thinks there is no hell, and if there is they are "good" enough





And that is just this thread, do a search on the forum, if you can't see it is because YOU don't want to see.

You talk about accepting and rejecting. Here it says that faith in God is a gift from God. It says that you can't even believe in God by yourself, God makes you believe:

You were saved by faith in God, who treats us much better than we deserve. This is God's gift to you, and not anything you have done on your own. It isn't something you have earned, so there is nothing you can brag about. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Also you said that Christ did not fail. What did Christ do? What was Jesus's mission? Did he achieve complete success at that mission?

Since people might say that that person had faith, and that was required to be saved, God gives us all a measure so the blame for going to hell is on YOU not God.





Before he came and died to atone for our sins, The only way way through the Law, but people can not live under the law, the sin, sacrifice, then sin more, need more sacrifice, We have to be born again.

That is his victory, victory over sin.

The fact that you did not earn it, nothing you did, nothing you can do, this is something that people have a hard time, along with the other side, they think they can continue as they are and all is good, that too is wrong.


Hyper Grace- wrong

Hyper works- wrong


Faith= salvation
Works= justification

Salvation does not equal justification.

peace love and blessings to you as well.

you have wonderful insight.keep up the great work.

I hope it is a blessing for everyone, I am glad that you were able to get something out of it.

Bob wants a dialogue, but has nothing of his own experience to witness. P-Bob will cite the Scripture all over the place, but failed to heed 2nd Tim 2:6... That is Paul's line about how they who would be preachers/ministers/pastors must first "partake of the fruits". Paul is not saying they get a share of the take, he means they ought be Born-Again BEFORE they seek to advise or instruct others.

No witness from P-Bob here; not in 11 pages, of which maybe half the posts are his replies. To be sure he wants a dialogue, but if he had witness then he would have something to share....


The Life In-HIM, With The Father, that Jesus Witnesses of in John ch 17 has manifested fully. If you Know HIM, you Know the Living Word and hold HIS Witness on The Holy Scriptures Within. Those who have yet to "partake of the fruits" do not. They do not Abide IN-HIM so cannot Know.

It is an amazing thing to see how all of Scripture Witnesses HIM. Only The Holy Spirit Imparts and Reveals such understanding. In course of following HIS Will did I learn/grasp/see this. Doing HIS Will does not mean the world will understand or approve. The world does hate HIM, and it hates those who are HIS in like manner.

Carnality is "the world". Carnal-Christians are the worst offenders. They cling to their religion, willing only to Believe and have Faith, but not able to Trust HIM Fully and make their Leap of Faith. Jesus Christ came to save sinners. Only the purehearts and sinners have the courage to act, to lift up The Son of Man. The purehearts because they feel themselves to be the worst of sinners. The sinners because they have no where else to turn but Unto The Father.

Got all the reasons in the world why you can't, don't need to Fully Trust God? Nothing I can say will make you Trust HIM enough to act, but know that my witness is true and God Will Be There for you if you find it in your heart to Be For HIM.

Ministers who have not partaken are little better than traffic cops. Maybe they keep em off the streets for an hour or two a week? Maybe the religion they raise up gives Believers all they can handle???

Too bad the husbandmen ain't partaken. The world would be a helluva lot different. Imagine all Christians hearing about Trusting God and how life In-HIS Accord relieves stress and is All We Need...

It would sure fuck up the carnal world. It would be like GodSpell for real, not just a filmgoing experience.

Such a world We Will Know during Christ Jesus' Millenial Reign which is coming soon!

If it has come down to life or death for you: TRUST GOD and give HIM your life. What really do you have to lose?

If, at the time of my being Born-Again, God had said, "As MY Child, I Will Give you anything/everything you have ever wanted or can imagine", I Know that had I specified the longest list I could imagine; I would have short-changed myself. Living In-HIM is wealth no man can buy, and no man can imagine. Just Trusting HIM IS Enough! More Than Enough.

Dead to the world. Delivered from alienation into HIS Bosom. KNOWING HIM! Not always Knowing HIS Why, but Trusting that HIS Will IS Always Perfect; Knowing and Living In-HIM...

This is what Christ Jesus died to Enable for us.
If it is on your heart to Love HIM, and you don't seize HIS Gift, to make it your own, you probably just never heard a witness that God Wants to Know you Personally and Directly.

Jesus IS The Way. No man cometh unto MY Father but through ME, HE Witnesses. If you ever Loved HIM with a true heart, now is the time to give yourself Unto The Father and Know HIS Peace and Mercy, to be Enabled to be HIS Vessel, to Live In-HIM.

Maranatha!!!

EVERYONE TELLS ME I'M THE NICEST PERSON THEY KNOW.

NO VICES WHATSOEVER.

NO CRIMES, NO SPEEDING TICKETS, NO FINES, NOTHING. EVER.

39.

Is it not funny that you quote a scripture and then fail to understand what you quote.


Lets look at what the scriptures say. 2nd Tim 2:6



Someone is Missing the Spirit.




So Lester You should rethink your observations.



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And you want me to sit on your lap.

P=Bob still has no witness. Rather fond of the Ecclesiastes line. I consider him to be a Hebrews 12 Bastard, but there are more than a few million out there.

No witness = not a partaker. Can't be a partaker of the fruits unless you've surrendered. Can't Abide With HIM, unless you've surrendered. Yes, The Spirit is missing; but from you Bob. HE can't Abide With sinners. You are a sinner until you surrender.

Unable to fathom Ezekiel 36:26-27, but love to rationalize the Ecclesiastes. To everything there is a season, except you are like that fig tree Christ cursed for not bearing fruit when it appeared to be fruitful.

Not like Jesus has actually cursed you, Bob; HE doesn't Know you to curse you. But you will be among them who will knock and say, "Lord, Lord open unto us for we have done great miracles in Your Name... (Know what a worker of iniquity is, Bob? It is a Christian who remains in self, carnal-hearted, unsurrendered.) Jesus tells those who knock, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity; I Know you not!"

The Hebrews 12 Bastard, Bob; and you are one, is a Laodicean age Christian who rejects God's Rebuke and Chastisement. Carnality is like that. It rejects making that final move toward surrender.

Partakers are all surrendered...

Carnal Christians, especially those who play at ministering, are really strong in the anti-Christ spirit. Can't give witness that you Know HIM? Can't testify that you've been Born-Again and In Father's Presence? Then all you are doing is rationalizing and lying. The carnal-heart denies that anyone could Love and Trust God so Totally that they give HIM their life, because it cannot. So, carnal-heart rationalizes that all who talk of God, like them, are liars. Kinda like a big bullshitters club, being in divinity school or "accredited"...

Witness give from the heart will always be heard.
People who are seeking HIM are able to hear.
They recognize the truth in experience and Knowledge.
Those whose hearts are closed just won't hear.
Has always been so.

The carnal-heart rationalizes what it thinks God would have them do. Yet, that is effrontery, playing God. Don't Know HIM, but you're sure what HE would have you do?

That's like saying I bear you ill-will because we are at opposing ends in this discussion, Bob. It simply isn't true. You are carnal-hearted, so there is no other way for you to be, but in opposition to witness. The world, (carnality), hates God, Bob. You are no different, you just disguise it a bit and want to help others because you can't Trust HIM. Why should anyone trust you about God when you won't Trust God????

Them Hebrews 12 Bastards are a slippery lot.
Having been one, I know...

Only Bob, and any other Born-Agains on this thread, Know Bob isn't Abiding In-HIM. See, The Holy Spirit Gives Recognition of HIMSelf when one Born-Again encounters another. Kind of like waving at someone you know. All who Abide In-HIM are like one big family who Know each other because God Gives us HIS Witness to see... Even get that Witness from reading or hearing another Born-Again's remarks. We all Know HIM, and HE's never changing. It is only our circumstances that differ.

My witness never changes. What I Know, since it is truly recounted, does not change or get expanded upon.

Abiding IN-HIM means not worrying about whether others accept you or your witness. God's Will IS Perfect! Those who have ears to hear will hear...

Most don't want to, or won't allow their heart to open Unto HIM. Mostly this is due to the 500 yrs of false-witness that has evolved into Christian religion since the reformation. Carnality is at the heart of this alienation.

Only Jesus will set it all aright.
That will be soon...

Maranatha!!!

Santa, I mean, Satan wants you to sit on his lap.



Listen, Come Sit On My Lap Father Bob, now that we are alone, it's late, the lights are low, and you are feeling a bit insouciant, I need to tell you something that might register for the first time in your life.



Bubby, you know nothing. Your head is teeming with bible stuff and you can't stop regurgitating it ad infinitum.



You need to first stop regurgitating, then go into a cave for 42,000 years until you learn to:


1. STOP TALKING 2. START LISTENING 3. START SENSING 4. BEGIN KNOWING.



Go now, Bubby. Nobody will notice you've left. Although it will be a lot less breezy around here.

I feel the love tonight. I am not sure to answer you first or MO, but I think I will go with you first.


You see it is like "Idiocracy", I am like the one guy trying to help all you can say is you don't see not stinking God.


So if I left, then that would mean God took me and you are right, the world would not miss me. And that is ok.


So have some more Brawndo it's got what plants crave. And you seem to be a vegetable.


So what kind of fertilizer would you like to talk tonight?

Mo are you one of those high speed bot programs?


And is Maranatha like a signal to end the program?

I stand READY.

COME ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Bubby, Bubby, Bubby. You hear me but you don't listen. And that is your problem. And worse, you attempt humor. Leave humor to the humorous, Come Sit On My Lap Father Bob.


It's OK you have abandoned your brain. It obviously was of no use to you. You probably wouldn't listen to it either, so it left you without so much as a note.


Just remember me, Bubby, when you find your brain, plug it back in and you discover in a sudden flash of hindsight that you were using a green jello filling instead of gray matter all these years.

Chill out Preacher Bob

no body is gonna rip yer party frock...


I have a question or two for you; but firstly what the hell do you think you are doing?

Maybe your that High speed AI everyone is talking about.

Artificial Intelligence, yes that would have to be you.

Getting the blood pumping, I can answer a question, It is not "serious" it is a exercise in wrestling.

A tango of words.

A dance. I am attempting to learn how the natives do it.

Can't spread the word if they won't talk.

Plus have to learn not to loose MY cool too.

They are excellent people to parlay with.

Yes, but we want them to like you PB, man it will take months of real dandy work to ever minister here, if you keep upsetting them...

Just trying to understand, as others of the cloth seem to take a more embracing familiar tone.

just my thoughts

Liking me, not important, being a bad example now that can be a problem.

No I was thinking about.



And too often people quit talking to other people if they feel that they fit into this.

I felt that perhaps, the problem was something else, and attempting to venture to new areas.

Not having much success.

So what else was on your mind tonight?

Oh I guess the weighty issue for me is whether the supernal can indeed overcome this nano technology.

I am tired of bleating on about it but I know that even the toughest person will be as a weak lamb with this shit through them.

So, my question is how does one get this stuff out of the body, considering it is completely riddled with it?

God can always do anything, but think of it this way, I can go and buy a lottery ticket, he could let me win.

But if I did would that change me into someone I should not be?

If your "health" issues keep your eyes on Christ, and thinking about what is "next" , but healing you caused you to forget and allowed you to die later in life but at a time when you were turned away for what ever reason.

Would the healing be a "gift" or a "curse"?

Some people no matter what you do they will never be happy.

Some of us no matter what you do will always be happy.

The people who do have a preference, are the ones God works the hardest to give every chance and prevent the choice that in the end will cause them to fall away.

Hope that helps.

Define it. What exactly is it? We've been through this before.

1) Sheol = Grave

2) Hades = The underground abode of the dead in Greek mythology

3) Gehenna = The garbage dump in the valley of Ben Hinnom

4) Tartarus = The term "Tartarus" is found only once in the Bible, at 2 Peter 2:4 "God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them into pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment." It would seem to be a synonym of the "Abyss". In Luke 8:31, the Legion of demons begs Jesus not to send them to the Abyss. "The Beast" of Revelation, will come up out of the Abyss (Revelation 11:7; 17:8). Satan will be thrown into the Abyss for 1000 years (Revelation 20:3).

5) The Lake of Fire spoken of in Revelation "which is the second death"

So which one is it?

Really now come on and tell us!

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