Why do YOU think YOU DON'T deserve HELL?

No that means you understand that God seeks Justice and Punishment as well as Mercy.

But don't let it consume you.

Because once you realize that they would not have done those crimes with Christ in their heart then you would want to share that with as many as you can.

Preventing many more crimes than just punishment for the crimes already done.

You are almost there keep searching.

Actually i have to disagree with you here, jesus says all crimes except a sin against the holy spirit are forgivable, i believe those fall into that category.

Ever thought about the chamber of gaf (or gof,can't remember the exact name, the soul chamber from the book of enoch), it said in the book that near the end the souls would be emptied, i've always wondered what would fill the excess.

Personally, i cannot see god forgiving someone for such crimes, as these are far worse than murder, even if they somehow overcome their despair and don't fall into insanity, the pain never goes away.
I remember watching the news today, a woman that was raped 19 years ago, still hasn't gotten better, she's still lives the nightmare that bastard put her through, at least now, 19 years later, they caught the guy.


Question preacher bob, have you learned the means to speak to god yet?
I'm asking since alot of people don't know it exists, let alone it's in the bible.

We do communicate much like a parent does with a child who can not speak yet, some things can be conveyed non-verbally just fine.

Were I am the child and God the parent, somethings God allows to happen so I will learn, others I am punished, but the Punishment is when I willfully go against what I know to be right.

Sometimes he watches out for me and I only find out later.



Only one sin that will not be forgiven.



Holding onto your grudge only comes back to bite you.

As i said, i may end up in hell, but i will stand by my convictions of right and wrong, it matters not either way, i am in hell till the time of the awakened ones.

Also i also talk to god, though he says to me, you can only be forgiven for innocent sins, not cruelty.

Bringing in the clones.


Bringing in the clones.


We will come rejoicing, bringing in the clones.




Bubby, it appears you have a wing man. Pastor Juicy Fruit.


Now, may I ask, does that make you feel more self-assured?


More vindicated?


More powerful?


Or, does it make you feel a bit uneasy that there is a clone of you running around?

Do you really gain confidence in knowing there are clones of you running around? Or, like me, would it make you feel a bit uneasy? Like maybe you are a clone caught in a matrix with other clones and can't get out?



Is there safety in numbers?


Or insanity?


Do yo want me to answer for you?

what is hell? is that fiction made up by crazy religious people to fear common people into submission?

Feel, that is something you place very important, all squishy inside.

So you do nothing but answer for me, why should this time be any different?

Now bubby, don't go off and get all prissy on me. You are right. I ask rhetorical questions. I don't expect you to answer. You see, bubby, your bwain doesn't work right. It's jammed up like a fax machine with reams of worthless gobbledygook. I'm trying to unjam you. Who else is and who else can? You have no idea, bubby, how fortunate for you that I am here. Or maybe you do, deep inside where you actually "feel" which is how you actually sense the more sublime aspects of "knowing" - and NOT all this pointless, mind-numbing, parroting of bibble stuff.



Bubby, you wear chains and blindfolders and revel in that fact. And worse, you stand on a street corner and try to convince everyone who passes by that they also need to submit to this pabulum.


When you do emerge from your delusion, bubby, you are going to be majorly embarrasssed. (No, majorly isn't a word, but it seems to work here.) You might want to play it a bit closer to the vest, bubby, from now on. It's one thing to believe all the crap that your religion manufactures, but it's quite another to disseminate it like cream of wheat in a refugee camp. You are only setting yourself up for a huge letdown and quantum embarrassment when you discover that not only were you 100% wrong, but that none of this stuff exists.


We live on and on. Life is not a contest, a test, nor a destination. All is equal. All is one. Doesn't matter if you were born east or west of Rome, who your daddy is, or if you even consider the notion of "god" (Ooooo, Pastor Juicy Fruit ain't gonna like this one bit.) If you must consider the concept of a "god" then think of the rain. It falls on all irrespective of beliefs or location or lot in life or disposition toward the allness, or what you might term "god". Everything benefits all the time. The rain doesn't pick and choose where it falls. It just does.



Be the rainman, bubby. Not a droning clone.

Fuck you Preacher Bob.
















That is all.

I am married and that won't get you out of going to hell.

Funny you should "almost" quote the bible.

I'm sure I deserve to go to Hell.
I certainly don't want to.
I've prayed for forgiveness, and maybe I am - but have trouble forgiving myself.

All sins are forgiveable except those sins against the Holy Spirit.

What sins would that include?

Aren't all sins of disobedience an affront to the Holy Spirit?

Aren't sins against man the same as sins against God?

I surely do not know.

[blasphemy
. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity]


Well Lets look at it like this, take it serious, don't go there, or even hang around those who do.

Search your heart, double check what you read with what you see.

When you think God is Wrong, remember how many times you have been wrong before, wait on God and he will show you the answer. Trust, have faith, and give it time.

The Holy Spirit will guide you to where you need to be.

Bubby, bubby, bubby. I knew I was almost quoting your bibble. I did it for you. To appreciate the irony. Even the bibble has incidental glimpses of reality. It's the work as a whole, and worse, what the clones make out of it that does all the damage.

When my daughter was about five, I bought her an electronic keyboard. One day she was banging away at it and I said to her, "some day, honey, I'll buy you lessons and you can learn how to play that thing" to wit, she retorted, "but daddy, see? I can play it."


Each time you open your mouth, I think of my daughter. If you only knew how blithely unaware you are, bubby. It is sweet and endearing. But I assume you are not five years old any more, so it becomes a bit embarrassing.


Think of the rain - or even the sun, bubby, for that's what your religion is - another in a series of Mediterranean-based, bronze-age, sun-worshipping religions. But the irony is that the sun also is a live-giver, sustainer, without judgment nor regard for that which it shines upon. All benefit equally, bubby.


Your head is lodged up your bum with all the talk of "hell" which doesn't exist.



Give it up, bubby.


You can't peddle this garbage forever.


Besides, it's stinky.

oops....


But the irony is that the sun also is a life-giver......

What are you talking about / we are aslready on first level of hell and on the hiway down to the pit !

Enjoy the ride !

Smoke one or 2 ..

Anyone who has compromised their own integrity by betraying, denying, or rejecting their own highest ideals deserves hell.

omg. Wikipedia is not exactly the place to go for in-depth study. I check it out when someone mentions a celebrity I'm not familiar with. And yet, even Wiki contributors recognize the contradictory nature of a God of Love (who died for his enemies) allegedly sending people to roast horribly for an endless span of time with no respite or constuctive purpose whatsoever. (And whether He "sends" them or merely "allows" or "declines/fails to prevent" it is all the same.)
That was my whole point here:
Thread: The Problem of Hell

Or, just forego any investigation into Truth, and stick with your government-issued mind control manual. King James loves you ;)

Somewhere, back on this page, P-Bob says, "Lester misquoted The Bible"...

I Know that I did not, but this guy is never direct and matter-of-fact in his writing here. He has no witness, and is not Born-Again; such I have said since first reading one of his provocative threads. Kind of like a door-to-door vacuum salesman who knocks and then says, "You're not going to buy a vacuum cleaner today are you?" He seeks any kind of response to sell the shit he's brought here to GLP.

Haven't seen P-Bob disclose anything of spiritual substance here. This is again because he hasn't "first be(en) a partaker of the fruits" 2 Tim 2:6. As one who has no Relationship With God, he is just winging this thing as he goes. P-Bob couldn't Trust God Fully with his life, but he has answers for you...

The carnal-heart will never surrender until either exasperation or desperation take hold. They are about the same thing. P-Bob knows nothing of brokenness. He's too good of a guy to have ever had to Rely On God.

Just generalizing, you understand. I know nothing about the guy, except that he remains carnal.

Haven't really seen any Gospel verses cited from this guy, although he loves the Paulian epistles and indirect Witness of Ecclesiastes... Ministers etc are just as carnal as other non-surrendered Christians, they just have more time in "study" to obfuscate and misdirect. Not like they consciously know they are doing so. Actually, they do know innately that they never had God's Change in their life and don't really Believe HE Does Remake others.

If you Know The Father, you have The Son and Holy Spirit also. You can't surrender to Jesus or The Holy Spirit. Everything in The Bible is worship and witness Unto The Father.

99%+ of Christians love God, they just aren't willing or needful/desperate enough to Trust HIM Fully. This especially applies to ministers etc who "studied" and have been accorded with denominational credentials. Religion and denominations are all about men deciding what limits they will accept and thereby place upon God. If you Know HIM, as St. John The Divine says in 1 John 2:20-1; "...Because you have an Unction from The Holy One, you Know all things".

Know God?
Then you Know all things. All things in your life that matter. Know how to Discern HIS Will and carry it out...
You also Know that HIS Will IS Always Perfect! You don't have to strive to fulfill HIS Will; HE Makes Our Way!

Anyone who cannot give witness, does not Know HIM.
Surrender to HIM if you are confused, say, "Father I know I love you and your Son, Christ Jesus, with all my heart; Please forgive me my sins, help me sin no more and take my life to do with as pleases you. All I want for the rest of my life is to do Your Will and be Guided by Your Holy Spirit. Please accept me and end my confusion and salvage my life as you see fit. Amen." Or something like that...

Your desire for God will never overcome your carnality unless you surrender, unconditionally and without expectation. Give HIM your Total Trust, as a child would...
If you are sincere and honest, God will be there for you.

Maranatha!!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Jesus saw a crowd chasing down a woman to stone her and approached them. "What's going on here, anyway?" he asked.


"This woman was found committing adultery and the law says we should stone her!" one of the crowd responded.


"Wait," yelled Jesus, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Suddenly, a stone was thrown out from the sky, and knocked the woman on the side of her head.


"Aw, c'mon, God ... " Jesus cried, "I'm trying to make a point here!"

I took notes from God and this is what I got from our conversation..




1) Let's Meet At My House Sunday Before the Game - God
2) C'mon Over And Bring The Kids - God
3) What Part of "Thou Shalt Not..." Didn't You Understand? - God
4) We Need To Talk - God
5) Keep Using My Name in Vain And I'll Make Rush Hour Longer! - God
6) Loved The Wedding, Invite Me To The Marriage - God
7) That "Love Thy Neighbour" Thing, I Meant It. - God
8) I Love You...I Love You...I Love You... - God
9) Will The Road You're On Get You To My Place? - God
10) Follow Me. - God
11) Big Bang Theory? You've Got To Be Kidding. - God
12) My Way Is The Highway. - God
13) Need Directions? - God
14) You Think It's Hot Here? - God
15) Tell The Kids I Love Them. - God
16) Need a Marriage Counselor? I'm Available. - God
17) Have You Read My #1 Best Seller? There Will Be A Test! - God

pretty dam stupid star. making fun of gods word.
i guess it is about all we can expect from you since you dont know anything about it to begin with.

to bad you dont follow them.

You stop picking on my bubby, you big, bad Lester person. You have drunk the cool aid too. Just another flavor. But you both drank it. A clone is a clone, Little Lester. Now get over your self and go sit on bubby's lap and make up. We all know you're both going to Walmart when you die.

Man, Dale, I'm talkin' dang ol'. . .li'l ol' comeback dang ol' talkin' bout PWNED, man, I Telly whut.

Sweet thanks.

I find it ironic that the religious sheep are attracted to GLP.

Why?

Do you expect to make converts?

Is your organized religion so lame that you feel the need to draw more people into your dogmatic sheep herd?

I'm seriously curious - why you feel the need vomit your dogma and bible versus every where you go?

You are not curious, you have already made up your mind.

I already have my beliefs. Just as you have yours.

"My God" doesn't send people to hell to suffer. My God is loving.

My God is your God. That means you are lying to hundreds of people. I don't like liars.

My God gave me free will to learn and make choices. Yours gives you free will, then demands you not use it. Stupid really if you think about it.