Are you Israel or The Body of Christ? Well?

You did

You claim you can determine who has demons and who doesn't.

I say - spot it you got it!!

Nope. Not making stuff up.

Rom 11:17  But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 

Rom 11:18  do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 

Rom 11:19  Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 

Rom 11:20  That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 

Rom 11:21  For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 

Rom 11:22  Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 

Rom 11:23  And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 

Rom 11:24  For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. 

ok OBEDIENCE im starting to feel sorry you. Ill leave you alone now. At least I planted a seed into your rock hard heart.

Again, I never said that either. Keep gnashing those teeth!
Psa 112:10  The wicked man sees it and is angry; he gnashes his teeth and melts away; the desire of the wicked will perish! 

You are the one who is determining ( have a gift ) most of don't possess.

You can spot demonic myths.

I say spot it you got it.

Cause that all you expostulate all day long!!

Obedience - you like to wall's of text:

Here's one for you:

The remnant of Israel—those who survive Jacob's Trouble—will then have the opportunity to make the New Covenant, even though, as a nation, they will not be a part of the first resurrection.

The apostle Paul goes to great lengths to explain this phased approach to salvation, using the metaphor of an olive tree with natural branches, representing Israel, being broken off, and wild branches—Gentiles—being grafted in (Romans 9-11). To summarize, Paul explains that God will use the Gentiles, and by implication, those making the New Covenant now (including individual Israelites), to make the majority of Israel jealous, to bring her back to Him when she sees the spiritual blessings. Paul shows that God has not at all disowned Israel. Even in his day, a small believing minority of Israelites had been chosen by grace, of which Paul was a part.

Only the elect—whether Israelite or Gentile—have obtained God's favor at this time, while the rest of Israel has become callously indifferent to it. Israel was broken off the olive tree because of unbelief, and others were grafted in because of true belief. But, Paul warns, there is no room for pride, because if God did not spare the natural branches when they fell into unbelief, neither will He spare us if we do the same thing. Now notice Paul's conclusion:

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins." Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25-29)

When Christ confirmed the covenant during the 3½ years of His earthly ministry, the covenant was not just for those alive at the time. The firstfruits have been making that covenant for nearly 2,000 years now. Similarly, there will be another 3½ years, finishing out that final week, during which Jesus will complete the confirming of the covenant. This will set the stage for the salvation of all mankind, but in particular the salvation of Israel.

If we use Jesus' earthly service as a guide, most of the 3½ years were spent in preaching and in preparing His servants. This is how He "confirmed" the covenant, even though it was not actually sealed until the end of the 3½ years, at that last Passover. If this pattern holds, it indicates that the final 3½ years of "confirming" will also consist of preaching to, and a rigorous and even violent preparation of, a remnant of Israel. Then, at the end, they will enter into the covenant.

At that final Passover, Jesus said that He would not drink the fruit of the vine again—that symbol of His shed blood and of the covenant—until He drinks it with His disciples (and, by extension, all of the glorified firstfruits) in His Kingdom (Matthew 26:29). That joyous occasion corresponds with the time when Israel will also drink of that cup of the New Covenant, but for the first time. That covenant, then, will be available throughout the Millennium and into the time of the Second Resurrection. The Seventy Weeks will have been fulfilled, but the effects will continue.

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Israel plan for Salvation Put on hold, Gentiles plan for Salvation begins


Romans 11:25

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”



Salvation offered to Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy


Romans 11:11 - 13

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


Paul 1st in Body of Christ, is our pattern (can it be any clearer?)

1 Tim 1:15, 16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.




Who did Jesus come for?

Matthew 15:24

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Old Testament Salvation (not by grace alone)


Ezekiel 3:20

“Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.”


The "fullness of the Gentiles" is the window of opportunity for Gentiles to be saved by grace alone. It end when the Trib begins. *That is why there is a pretrib Rapture!*

The Trib is speciically for Israel (Danieel 9:24-27)!

When the Trib begins, Israels plan for Salvation and the Law is back in effect. NO MORE Grace alone.

Anyone saved, born again by the gospel given by Paul, up until the restrainer is removed, are those that make up
(The Body of Christ / The Bride / The Church Saints).

Paul's Gospel -> {"The Body of Christ"} | Restrainer removed

You underlined the key point, “who do not know God”. Just as there are Messi an1c J^e w- s who believe in Jesus Christ, there are Gentiles who are saved through faith in Christ. You continually show your ignorance of God’s Word. Pitiful display of of willful ignorance, butchering the meaning of scripture and sordid pride. Disgusting.

Hogwash. The olive tree is Israel.

Rom 11:1  I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of nope of Benjamin. 

Rom 11:2  God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? 

Very good!

A few points I don't agree with

i.e. a new law is in effect that is written on their hearts
I would hope it's not 613 again!!

To me - it's stresses the NEW Covenant.

Very important!!

There is no difference between a Messianic J___w and a Gentile saved by faith in Christ.

Christ is Greek for Messiah.

They are both citizens of Israel who have submitted themselves to the King of Israel.

Joh_12:13  Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Rom 10:12  For there is no distinction between J___w and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 

Rom 10:13  For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 

The NEW covenant is with ISRAEL.

Heb_8:8  For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

That's correct.

Very good!

A few points I don't agree with

i.e. a new law is in effect that is written on their hearts
I would hope it's not 613 again!!


for at least during the Trib. i would have to study out more about the 1000 year reign. But their is sin during that period.

for at least during the Trib. i would have to study out more about the 1000 year reign. But their is sin during that period.


Absolutely there is sin during that period

So much so - that satan can gather people from all nations to go to war with Jesus and the saints after the 1000 year reign!!

God hides his face from Israel (Isa 1) until the Eze 38 war-where he miraculously protects them from a sneak attack-& will know I am their God

In Isaiah 1 HE tells them their iniquity and disobedience has reached the point where he no longer wants anything to do with them

He compares them to sodom, saying In the last days Isa 9 ...they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not

Isa 1:15 He hides his face from them - telling them he will no longer answer their prayers -they have blood on their hands.

Isa 1:12 - He asks "who told you to do these things?"

14 ...Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

BUT - It's after the gog magog war, he no longer hides his face and will write a new covenant on their hearts.

Here is a summary of the gog magog war

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starting in middle with:

Ezekiel 38

For starters - this is obviously a war God wants:
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws

Invariably someone posts that the gog of the gog magog war in Rev 20 - is the same as the one in Ezekiel 38-39. It is not.

Here's a thread I did on it called:

Gog, magog war - Rev 20, devoured with fire-no burial; Gog Ezekiel 38-39, took 7 months to bury mutilated bodies.

This war will probably be the shortest one ever.

Even shorter than 6 day war.

God immediately sets about destroying them - before they reach the main land of Israel.

Most all of them 'fall' upon the mountains.

What's interesting though is - the enemy will leave enough fuel from their weapons that would last 7 years for cooking, heating etc.

More...how God destroys them - and more on pg 136

If God thought there was hope - he would have sent a prophet. But he hasn't for over 2000 yrs.

They never listened and were sent into exile regularly.

He knows he must perform a huge miracle himself after the gog magog war Eze 39...

Ezekiel 39 - after gog magog war

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Then - the AC makes an appearance in the temple -

Here's sequence - gog magog war, God forgives them, antichrist stand in temple, great tribulation starts. (Daniel 8:23)

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom (Ezekiel 38), when the transgressors are come to the full (Eze 39), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. (in temple to declare he is greater than god: 2Thess2:4)

gog magog war:

Ezekiel 38:8 ... in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword

The trangressors:

Ezekiel 39:23 because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies

God forgives them:

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them

The antichrist stands in holy place - then the great trib starts:

Matthew 24:5 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

How many times has God destroyed them because they disobeyed him?

There will be this one last time - when the antichrist stands in the temple after the gog magog war.

Walls of text are meaningless - unless they deal with "THE VERY LAST DAYS"

We are there now - only important scripture deals with last days i.e. Matt 24, Revelation.

Hugh clue:

Rev 18:23 for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (poisonous jab) were all nations deceived.

Big pharma, big money, big graft - all pointed out in Rev 18. ALL happening today.

There will be a global systemic financial crisis - see mystery babylon - also page 135....

Not going to save people with walls of text - telling them to do something that is now moot.

People who try to lead others down the road of destruction with Israel are dead wrong.

Israel is going to be destroyed again for the last time by the antichrist.

Any arguments about talmud and torah are moot.

No verses from disciples pertaining to law are moot.

Only law we should keep are the 10 commandments - might help us keep a civil world

But even that will be gone.

Let's concentrate on saving each other, instead of trying to hurt someone's salvation.

Just the nation Israel as it exists today

The scattered will be brought back after gog magog war

God says in Ezekiel 39 - Now I will reunite the whole house of Jacob.

Because - like he said, after the gog magog war - they will know I am their God

Today - we will witness this

We are in the very last days

How do I know?

Jesus tells us this in Matthew 24:

When we SEE literally in realtime (live streaming) - this is the generation that will witness all remaining prophecy fulfilled
How do we know this?

Because we are told - when we SEE ALL these things live:

i.e. pestilence (disease), war, riots, evil, hatred, earthquakes, famine, in many places around the world - this is the generation that will witness all prophecies fulfilled.


The parable of the fig tree is a great example of how we know - when we SEE ALL things - with smart phones computers.

We are told that when it is spring and we SEE the buds on a tree we know what season it is;

LIKEWISE...this is how we will recognize the end...

We will literally SEE & KNOW.....it's end times...

Luke 21

This is the generation that will SEE all prophecy fulfilled.

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Luke 21:29-32 - See the fig tree and all the trees (all nations) - when you see buds on a tree - you know summer is close.

LIKEWISE - when you SEE everything (like the buds in real time) this is the generation that will witness all prophecies fulfilled.

Everything is streamed live today:

Press conferences - riots - videos - tik tok - you name it.

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To understand the parable of the fig tree - it's imperative to know Israel is the fig tree.

Jeremiah 24

2 One basket had very good figs, like those that ripen early; the other basket had very poor figs, so bad they could not be eaten.

3 Then the LORD asked me, "What do you see, Jeremiah?" "Figs," I answered. "The good ones are very good, but the poor ones are so bad they cannot be eaten."

4 Then the word of the LORD came to me:

5 "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Like these good figs, I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians

Ones in Israel as we know today.

The scattered ones will be brought back after this

Ezekiel 39

7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of.

and continues with

NOW I will bring back the whole house of Jacob

And God will write a new covenant on their hearts

Because the old ones were impossible to keep.

They failed time and time

Now, they will never fail again - with this New covenant

We are truly at the very last days.

Huge:

Rev 18:23

for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (poisonous jabs) were all nations deceived.

All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or almost completed at present

Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. There will be pestilence and disease and famine in diverse places. Mathew 24 and 1-4 seals of Revelation 6.

We have a global economy, the gov't can track everyone and the mark of the beast is ready.

The image of the beast that can move and speak can be transmitted to everyone's home.Rev. 13:14-15

Political correctness has gone completely overboard - people get fired for smallest infraction,or utterance. Bible refers to this as many will be offended (Mathew 24:10)

Evil and perversity rules - especially on the internet. (Mathew 24:12)

There is a RISE IN SPIRITUALISM doctrines of the devils.1 Timothy 4:1 ...'Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.'

Jesus said we would see earthquakes in diverse places(Mathew 24:7) . Why would Jesus say this or why should we even care? Because he is letting us know our capabilities in end times.

Here's an updated list replacing the older thread with more bible references:

1) Israel becomes a nation again, after being conquered and inhabitants dispersed throughout the world. This has never been done by another nation. Ezekiel 36,37:22 and 38; Jeremiah 30 - 31 Isaiah 43 etc. Note: This event signaled start of end times. Since 1948 things have been
steadily marching towards end with prophecies consistently coming true:

2) Globalization and New World Order. We already are a global economic world order, and some even refer to people in the world as citizens of the world. It's obvious we are headed to a new world order. Rev 6 - lst seal, Rev 13 - Dan 7:23 "and he shall devour the whole earth"; Zech 9:10 He will come in peace and his dominion shall be to the ends of the earth.

3) The global government will be able to track all the people in the world. This was impossible until now. How? - Computer databases. Apparently - we are already doing this. Rev 13:17 - True

5) We now have the ability world wide to worship an image of the AC. This was impossible until now - How? With smartphones, webcams, TV, satellie etc. This will be a worldwide requirement.

How will this be enforced - we already have cameras in our TV's, smartphones etc. Rev 13

If you notice all end time prophecies involve entire earth/world not one or 2 nations.

6) Jesus said we will be able to *SEE the AC defile the holy place, while in a field/on rooftop. How is this possible? with smartphones; also the 2 witnesses lying in the streets in Jerusalem, and SEE them ascend into heaven. We will SEE God judging Israel's enemies Ezekiel 39:21. Impossible until now. Math 24, Dan 7 - 12, Rev 11:7

7) knowledge will increase - and how. As described above. Amazing development in last 50 years, and has increased Exponentially last 10 years than last 6,000 years. This had to happen to allow ALL bible prophecy to be fulfilled. Dan 12 - True

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