Are you Israel or The Body of Christ? Well?

Israel plan for Salvation Put on hold, Gentiles plan for Salvation begins


Romans 11:25

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”



Salvation offered to Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy


Romans 11:11 - 13

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


Paul 1st in Body of Christ, is our pattern (can it be any clearer?)

1 Tim 1:15, 16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.




Who did Jesus come for?

Matthew 15:24

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Old Testament Salvation (not by grace alone)


Ezekiel 3:20

“Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.”


The "fullness of the Gentiles" is the window of opportunity for Gentiles to be saved by grace alone. It end when the Trib begins. *That is why there is a pretrib Rapture!*

The Trib is speciically for Israel (Danieel 9:24-27)!

When the Trib begins, Israels plan for Salvation and the Law is back in effect. NO MORE Grace alone.

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Very good!

A few points I don't agree with

i.e. a new law is in effect that is written on their hearts
I would hope it's not 613 again!!

Israel plan for Salvation Put on hold, Gentiles plan for Salvation begins


Romans 11:25

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”



Salvation offered to Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy


Romans 11:11 - 13

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


Paul 1st in Body of Christ, is our pattern (can it be any clearer?)

1 Tim 1:15, 16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.




Who did Jesus come for?

Matthew 15:24

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Old Testament Salvation (not by grace alone)


Ezekiel 3:20

“Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.”


The "fullness of the Gentiles" is the window of opportunity for Gentiles to be saved by grace alone. It end when the Trib begins. *That is why there is a pretrib Rapture!*

The Trib is speciically for Israel (Danieel 9:24-27)!

When the Trib begins, Israels plan for Salvation and the Law is back in effect. NO MORE Grace alone.

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for at least during the Trib. i would have to study out more about the 1000 year reign. But their is sin during that period.

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Very good!

A few points I don't agree with

i.e. a new law is in effect that is written on their hearts
I would hope it's not 613 again!!

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for at least during the Trib. i would have to study out more about the 1000 year reign. But their is sin during that period.

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book, chapter, and verse on this "new" law please?

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Rev 20

After the millenial reign

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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Obedience - you like to wall's of text:

Here's one for you:

The remnant of Israel—those who survive Jacob's Trouble—will then have the opportunity to make the New Covenant, even though, as a nation, they will not be a part of the first resurrection.

The apostle Paul goes to great lengths to explain this phased approach to salvation, using the metaphor of an olive tree with natural branches, representing Israel, being broken off, and wild branches—Gentiles—being grafted in (Romans 9-11). To summarize, Paul explains that God will use the Gentiles, and by implication, those making the New Covenant now (including individual Israelites), to make the majority of Israel jealous, to bring her back to Him when she sees the spiritual blessings. Paul shows that God has not at all disowned Israel. Even in his day, a small believing minority of Israelites had been chosen by grace, of which Paul was a part.

Only the elect—whether Israelite or Gentile—have obtained God's favor at this time, while the rest of Israel has become callously indifferent to it. Israel was broken off the olive tree because of unbelief, and others were grafted in because of true belief. But, Paul warns, there is no room for pride, because if God did not spare the natural branches when they fell into unbelief, neither will He spare us if we do the same thing. Now notice Paul's conclusion:

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins." Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25-29)

When Christ confirmed the covenant during the 3½ years of His earthly ministry, the covenant was not just for those alive at the time. The firstfruits have been making that covenant for nearly 2,000 years now. Similarly, there will be another 3½ years, finishing out that final week, during which Jesus will complete the confirming of the covenant. This will set the stage for the salvation of all mankind, but in particular the salvation of Israel.

If we use Jesus' earthly service as a guide, most of the 3½ years were spent in preaching and in preparing His servants. This is how He "confirmed" the covenant, even though it was not actually sealed until the end of the 3½ years, at that last Passover. If this pattern holds, it indicates that the final 3½ years of "confirming" will also consist of preaching to, and a rigorous and even violent preparation of, a remnant of Israel. Then, at the end, they will enter into the covenant.

At that final Passover, Jesus said that He would not drink the fruit of the vine again—that symbol of His shed blood and of the covenant—until He drinks it with His disciples (and, by extension, all of the glorified firstfruits) in His Kingdom (Matthew 26:29). That joyous occasion corresponds with the time when Israel will also drink of that cup of the New Covenant, but for the first time. That covenant, then, will be available throughout the Millennium and into the time of the Second Resurrection. The Seventy Weeks will have been fulfilled, but the effects will continue.

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That doesn't say anything about a law.

But this does

Mat 5:17  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 
Mat 5:18  For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 

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Yes - but this does

19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,

Ezekiel 11:19

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They had a heart of stone

Now, he can write a new convenant on their hearts

The law of yesterday is dead

Many of us are here to keep you from corrupting the bible and it's meaning.

I suppose if you are busy here

You can be anywhere else trying to confuse people who are sincerely trying to understand the word

But, I hope some are doing the same to Kate & LHC

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Let me guess. You are Legion?

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That doesn't say anything about a new law either. I smell blasphemy.

Rom 7:12  So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. 

hint: this was written after the cross.