I’ve been studying the mRNA vaccine

You are "bored and tired" because you lack rigor and stamina. You are getting blown out of the water on this subject and it drains your energy.

Boo hoo.

And I do have a bias toward the truth. Your bias is toward maintaining your denials. I like mine better.

I see claims, but no science. I'm making no statements whatsoever because I don't jump to conclusions. Do you? "While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny." sounds a bit wishy-washy!

I want evidence that what in red has EVER been implemented, then we can move on.

Patents are not the same as saying something is in widescale use. It's ignorant to believe otherwise. A patent is just a legal way to protect intellectual property...inventions.


I don't "search through GLP". I prefer reality!

Geoengineering has not been implemented. What is accepted AS evidence of such things are IGNORANCE of such things.


You and I have a different definition for "research".

If the vaccine doesn’t change your genes

Then how does the immune systems memory cells retain the spike protein info for a later response?

I see claims, but no science. I'm making no statements whatsoever because I don't jump to conclusions. Do you? "While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny." sounds a bit wishy-washy!

For both statements:
Exactly.

Remember you are dealing with people who believe the earth is flat, that they are space aliens, that jetliner exhaust is deadly "chemtrails", that we are in Teh End Times (for the 2,000th time), and other even more bizarre fantasy based beliefs.

It makes no difference to the anti-science, anti-vaccine kooks that there is no mechanism for the mRNA in the vaccine to even come into contact with your nuclear DNA and, by the way, RNA and DNA are quite different chemicals and one does not interact with the other... It's called biochemistry which a moronic computer scientist wouldn't know a thing about.

They can't even do a Giggle search on "COVID mRNA vaccine" to get hundreds of webpages and RubeTube vids explaining how the mRNA vaccines work... Which is nothing like the laughable "science" these dimwits babble here on GLP.

For those who want a quick explanation:
The vaccine contains the mRNA sequence needed to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein... That is all it can make is that one protein. mRNA is encapsulated to protect it and to get it across the cell membrane into the cytoplasm. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm and cannot get into the cell nucleus.

Once in the cytoplasm the cell ribosomes hook on and read the mRNA code to assemble amino acids in the cytoplasm into the desired spike protein.
The spike protein is expressed on the surface of the cell and induces an immune response from the body to produce antibodies to the spike protein.
Voila! You have just been vaccinated.

mRNA is RNA and RNA is very fragile (unlike DNA) and rapidly falls apart when exposed to the cell environment... lasting 24 hours or less... so your vaccine stops working in a day or two. (Why 2 if it doesn't last a day? Because the unprotected RNA generally doesn't last longer than a day but the encapsulated mRNA is protected so until it is taken up by a cell and the mRNA is released it is still active... It ain't that hard to understand, is it?)

Just G**gle "COVID mRNA vaccine" and only read info from qualified science/med sites such as Johns Hopkins, Harvard, CDC, etc. Do not get your info from anti-science, anti-vaccine kooks like lawyers, comp. scientists, "internet influencers", untrained doctors, untrained scientists and engineers, etc.
There are a lot of kooks lying to you and begging you for money to help them continue lying to others.

Get your vaccine and quit listening to flat earth kooks about something as important as your health.


R.
Kooks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.

Again, nothing but ignorant assumption.

The mRNA they looked at has zero to do with the covid "vaccine"

I'm anti Vax so we must be precise and not throw around generalities.

Anyone who would post a reply like this is either a liar or a kunt.

If you know what's what, you would have a paragraph to copy/paste to help people understand what they are up against instead of blowing your horn, and ridiculing them.

The Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines, but a type of gene therapy. This experimental injection purportedly contains mRNA that 'codes for', or causes your body to produce a 'corona virus spike protein', which in theory causes your body to then produce cv spike protein antibodies that prepare your body to fight a 'real' covid infection.

Numerous concerns with this jab, but primary to me is: What stops the body from continuously producing 'spike proteins'....ever? When/if will the body return to homeostasis, or a normal, relaxed immune state?

Next: "Covid19" has not been isolated or sequenced so how do we know if/what their mRNA is really coding for?!?

Finally: all injections have impurities - pieces of DNA from 'whatever' that made it into the soup that can cause various autoimmune diseases.

There are naturally occurring enzymes in our cells that cut foreign DNA so I don't expect the mRNA to survive if it crosses a cell membrane. Serious concern is what is in that jab - it's a potential time bomb - I don't trust big pharma period. Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me it's no thanks I'm in the control group.

Been looking into vaccines too ...

Worth watching:

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I think you need a nap, reality seems to be irking you at present sir/madam.

Science isn't all knowing, and it can be manipulated, thusly it can be flawed.

You've got a lot of walls up around that mind going off what I've observed of you in this thread, possibly consider letting some of them down, it would benefit you.

If you think people are ignorant/deniers, having a dig at them won't help anything, you'll get more out of people being more positive and tactful.

You're probably a good person, but I think you do need a sleep, best wishes sir/madam.

the function of mRNA is the same - splitting hairs is desperate. people can spot disinfo pretty well now

Pretty much it generates a graft vs HOST condition that is permanent.

from this thread:
Thread: mRNA question

Why I do not recommend inoculation:

First and foremost, Its not the deadly beast claimed.

Sure, in this case if you are old or have comorbidities, it may be deadly because your immune library has no record of this novel viral structure and therefore cannot mount any learned response to it, it may be deadly. Moreso for those with genetic backgrounds that provide higher production numbers of the ACE 2 receptors to which COVID viral particles adhere. Asians with the most receptors in their lungs, followed by blacks, followed by latinos, and lastly with the least number of ACE receptors, caucasians. Bottomline, elderly Asians with co-morbidities that diminish innate immunities will experience the highest rates of mortality. Susceptible individuals should quarantine. Not healthy individuals.

IN any event, both the elderly and very young, do not have a developed immune stem-cell population sufficient to respond to an antigen and produce sufficient antibodies. Without appropriate stem cells, you will never develop the desired antibody immune response. Period.

And this goes for any antigen, including live-attenuated virus, modified attenuated, dead, or adenoviral delivery mechanisms. By the age of 60 the requisite stem cell population begins to decline and by the time you are 80, it is essentially non-existent. Same thing goes for children under roughly 18 months... which is why mom delivers protective antibodies via milk.

Those over 60 have roughly 60 years of antibody libraries generated from a lifetime of exposure to different antigens. And this is entirely sufficient unless some novel antigen comes along such as in the manmade virus COVID.

Yes. Manmade. Unequivocal in my opinion. You may argue whether it was release on purpose or by accident, but it was designed. Fortunately its not more deadly than it is. In fact, well over 99.5% of clinical cases will survive, and vastly more subclinical cases go unnoticed and uncounted. It isn't very deadly. Maybe about as deadly as the Influenza virus.

Moreover, there exist many tried and true mechanisms for avoidance and treatment. High serum levels of vitamin D are vastly superior predictors of who will and who will not be impacted by ANY virus. That factor alone will reduce your susceptibility by as much as 80%.. Of course there is no money in this for big pharm or western med, so other social engineering conspiratorial reasons aside, Vitamin D gets NO press. Add to this Vitamin C, Zinc, and good-old fresh air and sunshine, and statistically, without complicating co-morbidiites, you are highly likely to be just peachy regardless of the viral insult.

Then there is Hydroxychloroquine, listed as a fundamentally benign viral prophylactic by the CDC (prior to COVID and further political agendas which mandated that status be rescinded or altered in the past few months) for 100 years. Safe, benign, well used worldwide, cheap, ubiquitous and effective.

And if you find yourself in the hospital, Ivermectin.

Then there are multiple problems shown in studies investigating mRNA inoculations. So much so that these studies have never produced a viable, approved mRNA inoculation of ANY type prior. Such is the case with the experimental COVID inoculation. Problems include ADE, Cytokine storm, anaphylaxis, etc... all the same issues being reported in a subset of the population receiving the COVID inoculation.

Then there are known problems with the adjuvants they admittedly use in this inoculation. PEG in particular may very well be the source of the clotting problems that keep popping up.

Without going into further detail in any of the above reasons, and without taking the time to debunk all the nonsense fear-mongering going on right now, I think you get the picture.

I never claimed that science is "all knowing" I have simply pointed out that you haven't shown the science to be wrong!

I don't expect you to understand.

You are going to believe what you WANT to believe. Not what is logical, based on actual evidence.

Go ahead and believe. I don't give a shit. I believe differently. Do you have a problem with that?

Why? not everyone argues/discusses in that style. I'm sure someone who claims such expertise is perfectly willing to continue the discussion. Be patient.

I also believe you are confusing terminology. Where did you study these subjects? "that cut foreign DNA" sounds a bit odd. Can you please clarify? If I say restriction enzymes, does that help with common understanding or does it make me sound like a hotshot?

And I disagree about "Covid being isolated". And I disagree about it being "gene therapy", by definition. Familiar with Kock's postulate? It hasn't been fulfilled with C19, and although NIH had a 'data base' for C19 sequence, it isn't complete - wonder why - how many bases?

And the body only produces the proteins during specific threats. You might as well ask why it doesn't stop producing proteins for anything. It's absurd!

Why not read the thread before making ASS U umptions about what I am communicating. And OP's description is STILL crap.

For both statements:
Exactly.



For those who want a quick explanation:
The vaccine contains the mRNA sequence needed to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein... That is all it can make is that one protein. mRNA is encapsulated to protect it and to get it across the cell membrane into the cytoplasm. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm and cannot get into the cell nucleus.

Once in the cytoplasm the cell ribosomes hook on and read the mRNA code to assemble amino acids in the cytoplasm into the desired spike protein.
The spike protein is expressed on the surface of the cell and induces an immune response from the body to produce antibodies to the spike protein.
Voila! You have just been vaccinated.

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There once was this miracle drug called thalidomide.The "science" indicated that it was a safe alternative to barbiturates. The "science" forgot to mention that sexually active males damn well better not be impregnating anybody.

Gotta trust that science.

I've read your stuff, so the latter. I still don't understand why you are condemning and not helpful to laymen trying to fight through all the media lies. If you find repeating yourself so exhausting you might not be the teacher you profess to be. Does the strong help or beat down the weak?

So I was wondering what the horrible thing about this mRNA vaccine is. It seems simple and innocent and will save lives. Here’s what I got
They have been studying mRNA vaccines for 20 years now, they have tried it with Zika, the regular flu, HIV and cancer. Not one has been approved for use. It seems in trials something goes wrong. In animal trial they develop autoimmune diseases or die.

They inject us with mRNA, the mRNA binds to the outside of the cell, calling in protein to make the antibodies. The antibodies fight off the virus and all is dandy. The mRNA is then supposed to disappear into our system and not go into the cell. Some scientists have found the mRNA goes into the cell and bonds with the DNA, the DNA is like hey, your not supposed to be here and starts fighting it off. This could lead to autoimmune diseases later in life or even death right now. These scientists are quickly silenced and called quacks. The media won’t cover all of the bad reactions. Some people are strong enough to fight this off but some, like the sick and elderly can not. I guess in short, don’t get this vaccine

I agree with THAT. But, the trails we see in the sky forming behind jet engines are unrelated, and are contrails.

You conflate two separate areas of study because you think "planes" and "spraying" and ASSUME that's what you see when you see a contrail, out of IGNORANCE.

You fool yourself.

It's hilarious!

In fact, if one were to do ANY research on geoengineering they would realize that SRM (solar radiation management) would be performed at MUCH higher altitudes, with a gas, that wouldn't be seen with the naked eye. It "could be " occurring, but the trails we see behind jet engines are completely unrelated.

Only morons believe otherwise. That's a fact. Sorry.

Oh, i didn't realize that you worked in the field of geoengineering.

Thalidomide was originally given to women for morning sickness. It led to thousands of miscarriages and birth defects.

unless you have very serious immune disorders or are 65 / older /

you should not get the cancer vax.

If you kept all the antibodies in your system, for every infection, your blood would be too thick to circulate. Its the adaptive immune side that memorizes the protein info to create antibodies for the next attack.

And then the science changed/evolved. What we NOW know about Thalidomide is the science of Thalidomide.

No one had ever said that Thalidomide was 100% safe and when science determined that it was unsafe, science was updated.

Could mRNA vaccines be harmful? Of course! But nothing in science says the risks outweigh the benefits at this moment.