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I’ve been studying the mRNA vaccine

 
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It is not a vaccine - it is experimental gene manipulation.
these mRNA "vaccines" not only will do nothing for covid, but they will make your body unable to fight off other disease.
Tell me.... why is Bill Gates - a KNOWN proponent of depopulation so involved in this covid scheme? He is not a medical doctor, a scientist and does not hold a degree in anything - he is a college dropout. So what would be his purpose and the purpose of the "vaccine"?
You know the answer, that is why you are here with your propaganda
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373


And "chemtrails" are contrails...but, you can't apparently ask people to call things by their given name.

If not a vaccine, like EVERYONE calls it...because it fits the definition, then what do you prefer it be called?

And the genes themselves are NOT "manipulated". You are confused.

And where have you heard it will prevent the body from fighting off other disease? That's just plain wrong.

And what Bill Gates was referring to was "demographic transition" which is NOT depopulation, it's a decrease in the population rate by keeping children healthy so families can remain smaller because they aren't reproducing with child death in mind.

And Bill Gates relies on the experts and their opinions. He doesn't CLAIM to be the brains behind the operation! He's just the person who fucking FUNDS it.,..because he's a philanthropist humanitarian.

What is wrong with you? You put a paranoid spin on everything! Who are you trying to influence to hate others?!
 Quoting: RationalOne


Your propaganda and attempts to paint everyone with logical questions as "paranoid conspiracy theorists" is obvious and actually quite helpful. Because normal people would wonder why someone would squat in a thread trying to "debunk" logical concerns and questions, and likely conclude you are a paid shill and view your comments as a steaming pile of shit.
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Not everyone...just the ones spreading lies based on obvious ignorance. It's not propaganda, it's truth. You are ill equipped to recognize it as such because you are poorly educated.

And it isn't " logical concerns", or you would be seeking answers from those who actually study the subjects. It's manipulation. It's fearmongering, and you are a scumbag.

It's easy to conclude that you are spreading fear to keep people afraid of what they don't understand to keep them available as part of an army of morons who are easily manipulated BASED on that fear.

Fuck you, dirtbag.
 Quoting: RationalOne


Aw gee, the shill is getting upset that people aren't falling for its talking points. Why are you so desperate?
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Re: I’ve been studying the mRNA vaccine
So I was wondering what the horrible thing about this mRNA vaccine is. It seems simple and innocent and will save lives. Here’s what I got
They have been studying mRNA vaccines for 20 years now, they have tried it with Zika, the regular flu, HIV and cancer. Not one has been approved for use. It seems in trials something goes wrong. In animal trial they develop autoimmune diseases or die.

They inject us with mRNA, the mRNA binds to the outside of the cell, calling in protein to make the antibodies. The antibodies fight off the virus and all is dandy. The mRNA is then supposed to disappear into our system and not go into the cell. Some scientists have found the mRNA goes into the cell and bonds with the DNA, the DNA is like hey, your not supposed to be here and starts fighting it off. This could lead to autoimmune diseases later in life or even death right now. These scientists are quickly silenced and called quacks. The media won’t cover all of the bad reactions. Some people are strong enough to fight this off but some, like the sick and elderly can not. I guess in short, don’t get this vaccine
 Quoting: Carley 80219481

I understand it differently:
The mrna doesn't stick to the outside of the cell. It has to get INTO the cell and hijack your ribosomes (temporarily?) which then synthesize the crispr designed spike proteins. Then those proteins are supposed to get noticed by your immune system which creates non-neutralizing antibodies that then bind to the proteins and cause your immune system to attack the bound proteins. Unfortunately the antibodies can also cause some of your body's tissues to be attacked, too.
DNA doesn't fight. If the spike protein gets into the nucleus (like through transfection) it can become part of your dna, and your cells can start replicating using this jacked up dna which is like a cancer. Hopefully your immune system recognizes the cancerous cells and destroys them. If not, who knows what happens.
The autoimmunity isn't related to that. The autoimmunity is related to the antibodies causing your immune system to attack existing tissues in your body.

If I'm understanding this incorrectly, please correct me.

Thanks
 Quoting: troo

Those cells manufacturing the proteins don't last long, the body senses them and destroys them along with the spike proteins.
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It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist..
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BS
 Quoting: RationalOne


No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

[link to www.lifesitenews.com (secure)]

Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

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A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”

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Herr is right , only 50% of the mrna is even useable, the rest is rna of an unknown type. Creating unknown proteins instead of the spike protein. Going from precise lab conditions to mass production did that.
50 billion to 100 billion potential mistakes in each mrn a injection.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


....says the person who can't understand contrails.
 Quoting: RationalOne


TO RATIONALONE:

The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places.

I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything.

But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do.

To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all.

The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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Herr is right , only 50% of the mrna is even useable, the rest is rna of an unknown type. Creating unknown proteins instead of the spike protein. Going from precise lab conditions to mass production did that.
50 billion to 100 billion potential mistakes in each mrn a injection.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


....says the person who can't understand contrails.
 Quoting: RationalOne


TO RATIONALONE:

The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places.

I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything.

But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do.

To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all.

The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Thx
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It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist..
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BS
 Quoting: RationalOne


No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


You seem fixated on chemtrails. Is that a nervous tick or something?
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BS
 Quoting: RationalOne


No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

[link to www.lifesitenews.com (secure)]

Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

snippet, less than 50%

A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
 Quoting: Herr Decider


You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!

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Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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BS
 Quoting: RationalOne


No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


You seem fixated on chemtrails. Is that a nervous tick or something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373


Nope.

I love aviation and I hate false accusations based on stupidity.

I think you need to learn what "nervous ticks " are. Because they have nothing to do with being passionate about the truth and being disgusted by stupid fearmongering.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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I believe that is what is motivating this 'hurry up get it now" full court press desperation on their end. They KNOW time is of the essence. People will soon see proof in those who did get the jab.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373

^this.

I have been going over this relentlessly and I cannot seem to figure out what they have in store for all of us who would rather die than get the jab. They are going to have to kill me before I let them inject me with that shit.
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Scientists at Sloan Kettering discover mRNA inactivates Tumor-Suppressing Proteins & likely Promotes Cancer

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AC, You seemed to have jarred a distant memory regarding COMT I learned about years ago. I'll have to go back and refresh my memory on it again :


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What's COMT got to do with it? Curious...

we sequence COMT for patients ability to metabolize certain drugs. Does it have something to do with covid?
 Quoting: Bloody Peasant!


Not sure if it has anything to do with it. Something AC said sparked my memory about it and I'll have to research it.

I learned about it in lectures on anti-aging medicine about 2008 ish when nanotech was all the rage, up and coming and COMT was constantly brought up in the lectures.

At that time nanotech was thought as such a good thing and with high hopes for what I was learning about, but as usual, big tech has all the funds to take a good thing and use it for whatever they want and so nanotech for anti-aging/regenerative medicine wasn't heard of again.
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I love aviation and I hate false accusations based on stupidity.
 Quoting: RationalOne

I agree. Geoengineering is really stupid. They shouldn't be spraying shit in the sky to try to block out some of the sun.
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I love aviation and I hate false accusations based on stupidity.
 Quoting: RationalOne

I agree. Geoengineering is really stupid. They shouldn't be spraying shit in the sky to try to block out some of the sun.
 Quoting: samOmighty


I agree with THAT. But, the trails we see in the sky forming behind jet engines are unrelated, and are contrails.

You conflate two separate areas of study because you think "planes" and "spraying" and ASSUME that's what you see when you see a contrail, out of IGNORANCE.

You fool yourself.

It's hilarious!

In fact, if one were to do ANY research on geoengineering they would realize that SRM (solar radiation management) would be performed at MUCH higher altitudes, with a gas, that wouldn't be seen with the naked eye. It "could be " occurring, but the trails we see behind jet engines are completely unrelated.

Only morons believe otherwise. That's a fact. Sorry.

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Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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BS
 Quoting: RationalOne


No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


You seem fixated on chemtrails. Is that a nervous tick or something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373


Duncan is the GLP resident Chemtrail shill. An asbergers school bus driver, so he says.
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Yeah, that's why you have to sign paperwork acknowledging that you understand that it is not a vaccine and that there is no vaccine for Covid 19 before you get the jab.
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I want to see this paperwork? I didn't think they handed you anything, asked you any questions, accessed your medical history, or informed you of any risks.

I thought they just stuck the needle in your arm and sent you on your way?

You don't need a prescription for this shot right?

You don't need to consult with a physician at all. So, if you had any prior conditions that might contraindicate you for the shot, there's no one to stand in your way from getting it, is there?

It certainly isn't administered by qualified medical professionals, like actual doctors and nurses?
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No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


You seem fixated on chemtrails. Is that a nervous tick or something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373


Duncan is the GLP resident Chemtrail shill. An asbergers school bus driver, so he says.
sbus
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And you are a stupid liar.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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Herr is right , only 50% of the mrna is even useable, the rest is rna of an unknown type. Creating unknown proteins instead of the spike protein. Going from precise lab conditions to mass production did that.
50 billion to 100 billion potential mistakes in each mrn a injection.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


....says the person who can't understand contrails.
 Quoting: RationalOne


TO RATIONALONE:

The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places.

I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything.

But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do.

To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all.

The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are the one ignorant of the pointed admissions to the contrary of your opinion, as I pointed out.

But I could care less about your continued ignorance due to your arrogant demeanor. Therefore I will not do as I would normally and spend my time digging up links to evidence to back up my claims.

I would rather see you twist.
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....says the person who can't understand contrails.
 Quoting: RationalOne


TO RATIONALONE:

The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places.

I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything.

But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do.

To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all.

The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are the one ignorant of the pointed admissions to the contrary of your opinion, as I pointed out.

But I could care less about your continued ignorance due to your arrogant demeanor. Therefore I will not do as I would normally and spend my time digging up links to evidence to back up my claims.

I would rather see you twist.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Show me an admission that says the trails that form behind jet engines are anything but contrails and I will leave social media FOREVER and fully admit defeat.

GOOD LUCK!
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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I don't know what the F you've been "studying" or if you have learning disabilities, but as a molecular biologist and geneticist, I can tell you unequivocally, that your "description" is no where near accurate.
 Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys


Anyone who would post a reply like this is either a liar or a kunt.

If you know what's what, you would have a paragraph to copy/paste to help people understand what they are up against instead of blowing your horn, and ridiculing them.

The Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines, but a type of gene therapy. This experimental injection purportedly contains mRNA that 'codes for', or causes your body to produce a 'corona virus spike protein', which in theory causes your body to then produce cv spike protein antibodies that prepare your body to fight a 'real' covid infection.

Numerous concerns with this jab, but primary to me is: What stops the body from continuously producing 'spike proteins'....ever? When/if will the body return to homeostasis, or a normal, relaxed immune state?

Next: "Covid19" has not been isolated or sequenced so how do we know if/what their mRNA is really coding for?!?

Finally: all injections have impurities - pieces of DNA from 'whatever' that made it into the soup that can cause various autoimmune diseases.

There are naturally occurring enzymes in our cells that cut foreign DNA so I don't expect the mRNA to survive if it crosses a cell membrane. Serious concern is what is in that jab - it's a potential time bomb - I don't trust big pharma period. Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me it's no thanks I'm in the control group.
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TO RATIONALONE:

The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places.

I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything.

But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do.

To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all.

The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are the one ignorant of the pointed admissions to the contrary of your opinion, as I pointed out.

But I could care less about your continued ignorance due to your arrogant demeanor. Therefore I will not do as I would normally and spend my time digging up links to evidence to back up my claims.

I would rather see you twist.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Show me an admission that says the trails that form behind jet engines are anything but contrails and I will leave social media FOREVER and fully admit defeat.

GOOD LUCK!
 Quoting: RationalOne


found the shill
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No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

[link to www.lifesitenews.com (secure)]

Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

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A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
 Quoting: Herr Decider


You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!
 Quoting: RationalOne


Your ignorance is astounding.

First of all, the source is "lifesitenews", not natural news.

2nd it wouldn't matter if the study was posted on my personal blog, it doesn't change the substance of the study referred to but since you are a libertine lefty you attempt to discredit using juvenile logical fallacy.

3rd, the study referenced in preprint was made by Harvard and MIT scientists, you know, the type who normally you would trot out as a gold standard to buttress your own position on an issue.

4th Corrigan is a PhD biochemist and molecular biologist who had just recently issued his own hypothesis nearly identical to the basis of the study. His acceptance and comments on the study are the essence of peer review as it is known today. It doesn't mean that he reproduces the science by experiment.

Last, you offered your opinion not citing any authority, and of course no "peers" reviewed your opinion.

So if you don't see the value in not being so certain about your conclusions when highly credentialed scientists publish a study worthy of prompting you to temper your absolute certainty, then you aren't worth communicating with in the first place.
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I don't know what the F you've been "studying" or if you have learning disabilities, but as a molecular biologist and geneticist, I can tell you unequivocally, that your "description" is no where near accurate.
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Anyone who would post a reply like this is either a liar or a kunt.

If you know what's what, you would have a paragraph to copy/paste to help people understand what they are up against instead of blowing your horn, and ridiculing them.

The Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines, but a type of gene therapy. This experimental injection purportedly contains mRNA that 'codes for', or causes your body to produce a 'corona virus spike protein', which in theory causes your body to then produce cv spike protein antibodies that prepare your body to fight a 'real' covid infection.

Numerous concerns with this jab, but primary to me is: What stops the body from continuously producing 'spike proteins'....ever? When/if will the body return to homeostasis, or a normal, relaxed immune state?

Next: "Covid19" has not been isolated or sequenced so how do we know if/what their mRNA is really coding for?!?

Finally: all injections have impurities - pieces of DNA from 'whatever' that made it into the soup that can cause various autoimmune diseases.

There are naturally occurring enzymes in our cells that cut foreign DNA so I don't expect the mRNA to survive if it crosses a cell membrane. Serious concern is what is in that jab - it's a potential time bomb - I don't trust big pharma period. Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me it's no thanks I'm in the control group.
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Why? not everyone argues/discusses in that style. I'm sure someone who claims such expertise is perfectly willing to continue the discussion. Be patient.

I also believe you are confusing terminology. Where did you study these subjects? "that cut foreign DNA" sounds a bit odd. Can you please clarify?

And I disagree about "Covid being isolated". And I disagree about it being "gene therapy", by definition.

And the body only produces the proteins during specific threats. You might as well ask why it doesn't stop producing proteins for anything. It's absurd!
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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If the vaccine doesn’t change your genes

Then how does the immune systems memory cells retain the spike protein info for a later response?
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Here is another human gene mutation nobody talks about yet about 50% of the population has some form of it. Doctors says is nothing to worry about. Insurance doesn't cover the test for it. Many people have generalized fatigue and/or odd symptomatology and appears sometimes the culprit to get someone labeled with a diagnosis fibromyalgia leaving no other term to use for their symptoms.

MTHFR gene mutation produce sensitivities in people and claims that vaccines have caused all types of injury in those who have the mutation, yet the claim continues to be debunked and tossed aside.

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according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

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Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

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A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
 Quoting: Herr Decider


You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!
 Quoting: RationalOne


Your ignorance is astounding.

First of all, the source is "lifesitenews", not natural news.

2nd it wouldn't matter if the study was posted on my personal blog, it doesn't change the substance of the study referred to but since you are a libertine lefty you attempt to discredit using juvenile logical fallacy.

3rd, the study referenced in preprint was made by Harvard and MIT scientists, you know, the type who normally you would trot out as a gold standard to buttress your own position on an issue.

4th Corrigan is a PhD biochemist and molecular biologist who had just recently issued his own hypothesis nearly identical to the basis of the study. His acceptance and comments on the study are the essence of peer review as it is known today. It doesn't mean that he reproduces the science by experiment.

Last, you offered your opinion not citing any authority, and of course no "peers" reviewed your opinion.

So if you don't see the value in not being so certain about your conclusions when highly credentialed scientists publish a study worthy of prompting you to temper your absolute certainty, then you aren't worth communicating with in the first place.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Natural News got it from Life news then, or vice versa. Google the parts of your copy/paste. Who gives a shit....

I'm bored and tired. If not banned for being pro-science and logic, I'll address your BS in the AM.

Your bias is obvious. Poor you.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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No.
Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

[link to www.lifesitenews.com (secure)]

Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

snippet, less than 50%

A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
 Quoting: Herr Decider


You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!
 Quoting: RationalOne

So You say, these guys from Harvard and MIT who have in their little finger more knowledge about microbiology than You'll ever have, should not be taken serious, because their work is not peer reviewed yet(!), but we should instead believe You?
Don't You think, You overestimate greatly Your intellectual potential?
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I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are the one ignorant of the pointed admissions to the contrary of your opinion, as I pointed out.

But I could care less about your continued ignorance due to your arrogant demeanor. Therefore I will not do as I would normally and spend my time digging up links to evidence to back up my claims.

I would rather see you twist.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Show me an admission that says the trails that form behind jet engines are anything but contrails and I will leave social media FOREVER and fully admit defeat.

GOOD LUCK!
 Quoting: RationalOne


You aren't as smart as you think.

It is only recently that the tech was utilized to add nano-particular to commercial jet fuel for dispersal and it is not done widely at all. But yes it was admitted to, and you can read the patents.

The predominant form of aerosol geo-engineering is done from dedicated jets with spray systems. They are "private" contracted out by .gov and also some government planes.

And I would rather see you continue to rant against the idea while all those in the know who are watching get a chuckle shaking their heads at your strident denial that a simple search on GLP and about an hour or two of research would cure.

I won't do it for you. Never.
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according to the chemtard...I see.

"RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made."
 Quoting: RationalOne


Again, if you are going to be disparaging in your condemnations of other's opinions, you might want to keep up with the state of the art, lest you fall into the trap of hypocrisy.

[link to www.lifesitenews.com (secure)]

Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

snippet, less than 50%

A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”
 Quoting: Herr Decider


You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!
 Quoting: RationalOne

So You say, these guys from Harvard and MIT who have in their little finger more knowledge about microbiology than You'll ever have, should not be taken serious, because their work is not peer reviewed yet(!), but we should instead believe You?
Don't You think, You overestimate greatly Your intellectual potential?
 Quoting: Jolly Jumper


I see claims, but no science. I'm making no statements whatsoever because I don't jump to conclusions. Do you? "While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny." sounds a bit wishy-washy!
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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You need to understand that "a study" is NOT peer reviewed science. Also, you should understand the science to BEGIN with!

Nice copy/paste but Natural News is NOT a well known source of truth!
 Quoting: RationalOne


Your ignorance is astounding.

First of all, the source is "lifesitenews", not natural news.

2nd it wouldn't matter if the study was posted on my personal blog, it doesn't change the substance of the study referred to but since you are a libertine lefty you attempt to discredit using juvenile logical fallacy.

3rd, the study referenced in preprint was made by Harvard and MIT scientists, you know, the type who normally you would trot out as a gold standard to buttress your own position on an issue.

4th Corrigan is a PhD biochemist and molecular biologist who had just recently issued his own hypothesis nearly identical to the basis of the study. His acceptance and comments on the study are the essence of peer review as it is known today. It doesn't mean that he reproduces the science by experiment.

Last, you offered your opinion not citing any authority, and of course no "peers" reviewed your opinion.

So if you don't see the value in not being so certain about your conclusions when highly credentialed scientists publish a study worthy of prompting you to temper your absolute certainty, then you aren't worth communicating with in the first place.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Natural News got it from Life news then, or vice versa. Google the parts of your copy/paste. Who gives a shit....

I'm bored and tired. If not banned for being pro-science and logic, I'll address your BS in the AM.

Your bias is obvious. Poor you.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are "bored and tired" because you lack rigor and stamina. You are getting blown out of the water on this subject and it drains your energy.

Boo hoo.

And I do have a bias toward the truth. Your bias is toward maintaining your denials. I like mine better.
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I don't know what the F you've been "studying" or if you have learning disabilities, but as a molecular biologist and geneticist, I can tell you unequivocally, that your "description" is no where near accurate.
 Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys


Anyone who would post a reply like this is either a liar or a kunt.

If you know what's what, you would have a paragraph to copy/paste to help people understand what they are up against instead of blowing your horn, and ridiculing them.

The Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines, but a type of gene therapy. This experimental injection purportedly contains mRNA that 'codes for', or causes your body to produce a 'corona virus spike protein', which in theory causes your body to then produce cv spike protein antibodies that prepare your body to fight a 'real' covid infection.

Numerous concerns with this jab, but primary to me is: What stops the body from continuously producing 'spike proteins'....ever? When/if will the body return to homeostasis, or a normal, relaxed immune state?

Next: "Covid19" has not been isolated or sequenced so how do we know if/what their mRNA is really coding for?!?

Finally: all injections have impurities - pieces of DNA from 'whatever' that made it into the soup that can cause various autoimmune diseases.

There are naturally occurring enzymes in our cells that cut foreign DNA so I don't expect the mRNA to survive if it crosses a cell membrane. Serious concern is what is in that jab - it's a potential time bomb - I don't trust big pharma period. Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me it's no thanks I'm in the control group.
 Quoting: Kickme


Kickme,
Pretty good summation.

Technically the vax is a pathogenic virus injection, it infects our healthy cells to make spike proteins.

We'd better not call it a gene therapy yet, its only months old and plenty of deaths and adverse reactions, gene(rna) modification maybe? :)

The virus gets into a cell, squirts out proteins, our body senses it and destroys it. When the deltoid injection site stops swelling and hurting, the mrna virus is all eaten up,gone.
Only the proteins are left, then they're eaten up too. Days?

The body doesn't like stuff floating around, incomplete injection virus(up to 50%), other stuff in the soup, all destroyed, you got it.

Mrna virus does get into the cell, it fools the nucleus not to attack it, then makes the proteins. There are things outside the cell that sense its been compromised, or if it's squirting out proteins, they will then destroy it.
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I disagree with your ignorant nonsense. The trails that form behind jet engines are contrails and there is ZERO evidence to suggest they are anything else.

Contrails are no "created" for ANY "purpose". They are a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion within an ice saturated atmosphere. You are a chemtard.
 Quoting: RationalOne


You are the one ignorant of the pointed admissions to the contrary of your opinion, as I pointed out.

But I could care less about your continued ignorance due to your arrogant demeanor. Therefore I will not do as I would normally and spend my time digging up links to evidence to back up my claims.

I would rather see you twist.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Show me an admission that says the trails that form behind jet engines are anything but contrails and I will leave social media FOREVER and fully admit defeat.

GOOD LUCK!
 Quoting: RationalOne


You aren't as smart as you think.

It is only recently that the tech was utilized to add nano-particular to commercial jet fuel for dispersal and it is not done widely at all. But yes it was admitted to, and you can read the patents.

The predominant form of aerosol geo-engineering is done from dedicated jets with spray systems. They are "private" contracted out by .gov and also some government planes.

And I would rather see you continue to rant against the idea while all those in the know who are watching get a chuckle shaking their heads at your strident denial that a simple search on GLP and about an hour or two of research would cure.

I won't do it for you. Never.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I want evidence that what in red has EVER been implemented, then we can move on.

Patents are not the same as saying something is in widescale use. It's ignorant to believe otherwise. A patent is just a legal way to protect intellectual property...inventions.


I don't "search through GLP". I prefer reality!

Geoengineering has not been implemented. What is accepted AS evidence of such things are IGNORANCE of such things.


You and I have a different definition for "research".
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.





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