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User ID: 75932497 United States 04/09/2021 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I was wondering what the horrible thing about this mRNA vaccine is. It seems simple and innocent and will save lives. Here’s what I got Quoting: Carley 80219481 They have been studying mRNA vaccines for 20 years now, they have tried it with Zika, the regular flu, HIV and cancer. Not one has been approved for use. It seems in trials something goes wrong. In animal trial they develop autoimmune diseases or die. They inject us with mRNA, the mRNA binds to the outside of the cell, calling in protein to make the antibodies. The antibodies fight off the virus and all is dandy. The mRNA is then supposed to disappear into our system and not go into the cell. Some scientists have found the mRNA goes into the cell and bonds with the DNA, the DNA is like hey, your not supposed to be here and starts fighting it off. This could lead to autoimmune diseases later in life or even death right now. These scientists are quickly silenced and called quacks. The media won’t cover all of the bad reactions. Some people are strong enough to fight this off but some, like the sick and elderly can not. I guess in short, don’t get this vaccine A young man developed guillian barre disease within a short time of the vaccine in Orlando Florida. The doctors stated that it was a coincidence. This disease paralyzes. I think that they paralyzed the genius who specialized in universal theory to keep him silent. He was confined to a wheelchair. What was his name? He came down with the disease in his late teens. The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance.” —Aldous Huxley For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them. Proverbs |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74827762 United States 04/09/2021 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And Bill Gates relies on the experts and their opinions. He doesn't CLAIM to be the brains behind the operation! He's just the person who fucking FUNDS it.,..because he's a philanthropist humanitarian. Quoting: RationalOne A "humanitarian" as he and his wife smile as they've talked about pandemics. "We came, we saw, he died (cackle, cackle)." |
Agent Smith 2014
User ID: 79871996 United Kingdom 04/09/2021 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know what the F you've been "studying" or if you have learning disabilities, but as a molecular biologist and geneticist, I can tell you unequivocally, that your "description" is no where near accurate. Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29143373 United States 04/09/2021 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does this happen with RNA in your universe? If this were true (It isn't.) then the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 could also "contribute to cancer" but at a much higher rate since the disease infection would have your cells produce many times the spike protein that the vaccine produces. Readers - Just try to remember what a vaccine is doing: It is giving your body the knowledge on how to identify and defeat the dangerous invader so when you do get invaded by the virus your immune system wins the race between virus replication and immune response. It's like running the 100 meter sprint but the vaccine gives you a 50 meter head start. Generally it takes your body 10-14 days to mount a full response to a virus it has never seen. In that time the virus has had time to replicate extensively and you become very ill before your immune system can come to the rescue. Much too often your naive immune system is too late and the victim dies or is seriously harmed. Vaccines drop that 10-14 days to around 1-2 days before your immune system starts cranking up your defenses. This is not a game so quit listening to anonymous morons and unqualified kooks and quacks on the internet. R. Kooks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description. It is not a vaccine - it is experimental gene manipulation. these mRNA "vaccines" not only will do nothing for covid, but they will make your body unable to fight off other disease. Tell me.... why is Bill Gates - a KNOWN proponent of depopulation so involved in this covid scheme? He is not a medical doctor, a scientist and does not hold a degree in anything - he is a college dropout. So what would be his purpose and the purpose of the "vaccine"? You know the answer, that is why you are here with your propaganda And "chemtrails" are contrails...but, you can't apparently ask people to call things by their given name. If not a vaccine, like EVERYONE calls it...because it fits the definition, then what do you prefer it be called? And the genes themselves are NOT "manipulated". You are confused. And where have you heard it will prevent the body from fighting off other disease? That's just plain wrong. And what Bill Gates was referring to was "demographic transition" which is NOT depopulation, it's a decrease in the population rate by keeping children healthy so families can remain smaller because they aren't reproducing with child death in mind. And Bill Gates relies on the experts and their opinions. He doesn't CLAIM to be the brains behind the operation! He's just the person who fucking FUNDS it.,..because he's a philanthropist humanitarian. What is wrong with you? You put a paranoid spin on everything! Who are you trying to influence to hate others?! Your propaganda and attempts to paint everyone with logical questions as "paranoid conspiracy theorists" is obvious and actually quite helpful. Because normal people would wonder why someone would squat in a thread trying to "debunk" logical concerns and questions, and likely conclude you are a paid shill and view your comments as a steaming pile of shit. |
President Elect - SloGenPhys
User ID: 79821415 United States 04/09/2021 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: mRNA question Why I do not recommend inoculation: First and foremost, Its not the deadly beast claimed. Sure, in this case if you are old or have comorbidities, it may be deadly because your immune library has no record of this novel viral structure and therefore cannot mount any learned response to it, it may be deadly. Moreso for those with genetic backgrounds that provide higher production numbers of the ACE 2 receptors to which COVID viral particles adhere. Asians with the most receptors in their lungs, followed by blacks, followed by latinos, and lastly with the least number of ACE receptors, caucasians. Bottomline, elderly Asians with co-morbidities that diminish innate immunities will experience the highest rates of mortality. Susceptible individuals should quarantine. Not healthy individuals. IN any event, both the elderly and very young, do not have a developed immune stem-cell population sufficient to respond to an antigen and produce sufficient antibodies. Without appropriate stem cells, you will never develop the desired antibody immune response. Period. And this goes for any antigen, including live-attenuated virus, modified attenuated, dead, or adenoviral delivery mechanisms. By the age of 60 the requisite stem cell population begins to decline and by the time you are 80, it is essentially non-existent. Same thing goes for children under roughly 18 months... which is why mom delivers protective antibodies via milk. Those over 60 have roughly 60 years of antibody libraries generated from a lifetime of exposure to different antigens. And this is entirely sufficient unless some novel antigen comes along such as in the manmade virus COVID. Yes. Manmade. Unequivocal in my opinion. You may argue whether it was release on purpose or by accident, but it was designed. Fortunately its not more deadly than it is. In fact, well over 99.5% of clinical cases will survive, and vastly more subclinical cases go unnoticed and uncounted. It isn't very deadly. Maybe about as deadly as the Influenza virus. Moreover, there exist many tried and true mechanisms for avoidance and treatment. High serum levels of vitamin D are vastly superior predictors of who will and who will not be impacted by ANY virus. That factor alone will reduce your susceptibility by as much as 80%.. Of course there is no money in this for big pharm or western med, so other social engineering conspiratorial reasons aside, Vitamin D gets NO press. Add to this Vitamin C, Zinc, and good-old fresh air and sunshine, and statistically, without complicating co-morbidiites, you are highly likely to be just peachy regardless of the viral insult. Then there is Hydroxychloroquine, listed as a fundamentally benign viral prophylactic by the CDC (prior to COVID and further political agendas which mandated that status be rescinded or altered in the past few months) for 100 years. Safe, benign, well used worldwide, cheap, ubiquitous and effective. And if you find yourself in the hospital, Ivermectin. Then there are multiple problems shown in studies investigating mRNA inoculations. So much so that these studies have never produced a viable, approved mRNA inoculation of ANY type prior. Such is the case with the experimental COVID inoculation. Problems include ADE, Cytokine storm, anaphylaxis, etc... all the same issues being reported in a subset of the population receiving the COVID inoculation. Then there are known problems with the adjuvants they admittedly use in this inoculation. PEG in particular may very well be the source of the clotting problems that keep popping up. Without going into further detail in any of the above reasons, and without taking the time to debunk all the nonsense fear-mongering going on right now, I think you get the picture. SloGenPhys |
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RationalOne
User ID: 2272340 United States 04/09/2021 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no bus, no route, and there is no Duncan. You are just crazy. Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious. The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy. |
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Herr Decider
User ID: 80229075 United States 04/09/2021 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I was wondering what the horrible thing about this mRNA vaccine is. It seems simple and innocent and will save lives. Here’s what I got Quoting: Carley 80219481 They have been studying mRNA vaccines for 20 years now, they have tried it with Zika, the regular flu, HIV and cancer. Not one has been approved for use. It seems in trials something goes wrong. In animal trial they develop autoimmune diseases or die. They inject us with mRNA, the mRNA binds to the outside of the cell, calling in protein to make the antibodies. The antibodies fight off the virus and all is dandy. The mRNA is then supposed to disappear into our system and not go into the cell. Some scientists have found the mRNA goes into the cell and bonds with the DNA, the DNA is like hey, your not supposed to be here and starts fighting it off. This could lead to autoimmune diseases later in life or even death right now. These scientists are quickly silenced and called quacks. The media won’t cover all of the bad reactions. Some people are strong enough to fight this off but some, like the sick and elderly can not. I guess in short, don’t get this vaccine The Protein encapsulated mRNA strand attaches to the cell wall and is then brought inside the cell where the protein shell is opened and the mRNA strand enters the cell then hijacks the cells machinery to manufacture the Corona virus spike protein which is then expelled out of the cell and adheres to the external cell wall where it is detected by the immune system. There is an on switch for the infected cell to start making the spike protein, but no off switch.....So it will make spike proteins until the cell dies. actually the mRNA is encapsulated in a nanolipids which are fats. And all mRNA deteriorates at one end by the action of enzymes in the cell cytoplasm so after a while they all catabolyze and go bye bye. If you don't introduce new mRNA, then no more spike proteins will be produced. Augmented by Grace |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78349639 United States 04/09/2021 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What happened to the animals in the studies? This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure. There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies. In this study, coronavirus vaccine caused liver inflammation in test animals. |
uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 04/09/2021 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from this thread: Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys Thread: mRNA question Why I do not recommend inoculation: First and foremost, Its not the deadly beast claimed. Sure, in this case if you are old or have comorbidities, it may be deadly because your immune library has no record of this novel viral structure and therefore cannot mount any learned response to it, it may be deadly. Moreso for those with genetic backgrounds that provide higher production numbers of the ACE 2 receptors to which COVID viral particles adhere. Asians with the most receptors in their lungs, followed by blacks, followed by latinos, and lastly with the least number of ACE receptors, caucasians. Bottomline, elderly Asians with co-morbidities that diminish innate immunities will experience the highest rates of mortality. Susceptible individuals should quarantine. Not healthy individuals. IN any event, both the elderly and very young, do not have a developed immune stem-cell population sufficient to respond to an antigen and produce sufficient antibodies. Without appropriate stem cells, you will never develop the desired antibody immune response. Period. And this goes for any antigen, including live-attenuated virus, modified attenuated, dead, or adenoviral delivery mechanisms. By the age of 60 the requisite stem cell population begins to decline and by the time you are 80, it is essentially non-existent. Same thing goes for children under roughly 18 months... which is why mom delivers protective antibodies via milk. Those over 60 have roughly 60 years of antibody libraries generated from a lifetime of exposure to different antigens. And this is entirely sufficient unless some novel antigen comes along such as in the manmade virus COVID. Yes. Manmade. Unequivocal in my opinion. You may argue whether it was release on purpose or by accident, but it was designed. Fortunately its not more deadly than it is. In fact, well over 99.5% of clinical cases will survive, and vastly more subclinical cases go unnoticed and uncounted. It isn't very deadly. Maybe about as deadly as the Influenza virus. Moreover, there exist many tried and true mechanisms for avoidance and treatment. High serum levels of vitamin D are vastly superior predictors of who will and who will not be impacted by ANY virus. That factor alone will reduce your susceptibility by as much as 80%.. Of course there is no money in this for big pharm or western med, so other social engineering conspiratorial reasons aside, Vitamin D gets NO press. Add to this Vitamin C, Zinc, and good-old fresh air and sunshine, and statistically, without complicating co-morbidiites, you are highly likely to be just peachy regardless of the viral insult. Then there is Hydroxychloroquine, listed as a fundamentally benign viral prophylactic by the CDC (prior to COVID and further political agendas which mandated that status be rescinded or altered in the past few months) for 100 years. Safe, benign, well used worldwide, cheap, ubiquitous and effective. And if you find yourself in the hospital, Ivermectin. Then there are multiple problems shown in studies investigating mRNA inoculations. So much so that these studies have never produced a viable, approved mRNA inoculation of ANY type prior. Such is the case with the experimental COVID inoculation. Problems include ADE, Cytokine storm, anaphylaxis, etc... all the same issues being reported in a subset of the population receiving the COVID inoculation. Then there are known problems with the adjuvants they admittedly use in this inoculation. PEG in particular may very well be the source of the clotting problems that keep popping up. Without going into further detail in any of the above reasons, and without taking the time to debunk all the nonsense fear-mongering going on right now, I think you get the picture. Pretty good write up. |
RationalOne
User ID: 2272340 United States 04/09/2021 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Reality420 How does this happen with RNA in your universe? If this were true (It isn't.) then the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 could also "contribute to cancer" but at a much higher rate since the disease infection would have your cells produce many times the spike protein that the vaccine produces. Readers - Just try to remember what a vaccine is doing: It is giving your body the knowledge on how to identify and defeat the dangerous invader so when you do get invaded by the virus your immune system wins the race between virus replication and immune response. It's like running the 100 meter sprint but the vaccine gives you a 50 meter head start. Generally it takes your body 10-14 days to mount a full response to a virus it has never seen. In that time the virus has had time to replicate extensively and you become very ill before your immune system can come to the rescue. Much too often your naive immune system is too late and the victim dies or is seriously harmed. Vaccines drop that 10-14 days to around 1-2 days before your immune system starts cranking up your defenses. This is not a game so quit listening to anonymous morons and unqualified kooks and quacks on the internet. R. Kooks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description. It is not a vaccine - it is experimental gene manipulation. these mRNA "vaccines" not only will do nothing for covid, but they will make your body unable to fight off other disease. Tell me.... why is Bill Gates - a KNOWN proponent of depopulation so involved in this covid scheme? He is not a medical doctor, a scientist and does not hold a degree in anything - he is a college dropout. So what would be his purpose and the purpose of the "vaccine"? You know the answer, that is why you are here with your propaganda And "chemtrails" are contrails...but, you can't apparently ask people to call things by their given name. If not a vaccine, like EVERYONE calls it...because it fits the definition, then what do you prefer it be called? And the genes themselves are NOT "manipulated". You are confused. And where have you heard it will prevent the body from fighting off other disease? That's just plain wrong. And what Bill Gates was referring to was "demographic transition" which is NOT depopulation, it's a decrease in the population rate by keeping children healthy so families can remain smaller because they aren't reproducing with child death in mind. And Bill Gates relies on the experts and their opinions. He doesn't CLAIM to be the brains behind the operation! He's just the person who fucking FUNDS it.,..because he's a philanthropist humanitarian. What is wrong with you? You put a paranoid spin on everything! Who are you trying to influence to hate others?! Your propaganda and attempts to paint everyone with logical questions as "paranoid conspiracy theorists" is obvious and actually quite helpful. Because normal people would wonder why someone would squat in a thread trying to "debunk" logical concerns and questions, and likely conclude you are a paid shill and view your comments as a steaming pile of shit. Not everyone...just the ones spreading lies based on obvious ignorance. It's not propaganda, it's truth. You are ill equipped to recognize it as such because you are poorly educated. And it isn't " logical concerns", or you would be seeking answers from those who actually study the subjects. It's manipulation. It's fearmongering, and you are a scumbag. It's easy to conclude that you are spreading fear to keep people afraid of what they don't understand to keep them available as part of an army of morons who are easily manipulated BASED on that fear. Fuck you, dirtbag. Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious. The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29143373 United States 04/09/2021 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scientists at Sloan Kettering discover mRNA inactivates Tumor-Suppressing Proteins & likely Promotes Cancer Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29143373 [link to sarahwestall.com (secure)] The mRNA they looked at has zero to do with the covid "vaccine" I'm anti Vax so we must be precise and not throw around generalities. the function of mRNA is the same - splitting hairs is desperate. people can spot disinfo pretty well now |
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uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 04/09/2021 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What happened to the animals in the studies? This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure. There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies. In this study, coronavirus vaccine caused liver inflammation in test animals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78349639 Sars mrna test animals were sacrificed and autopsied, all had lung congestion. Per the written report. It's a little vague if the author meant sacrificed as in 'died'. |
Herr Decider
User ID: 80229075 United States 04/09/2021 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from this thread: Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys Thread: mRNA question Why I do not recommend inoculation: First and foremost, Its not the deadly beast claimed. Sure, in this case if you are old or have comorbidities, it may be deadly because your immune library has no record of this novel viral structure and therefore cannot mount any learned response to it, it may be deadly. Moreso for those with genetic backgrounds that provide higher production numbers of the ACE 2 receptors to which COVID viral particles adhere. Asians with the most receptors in their lungs, followed by blacks, followed by latinos, and lastly with the least number of ACE receptors, caucasians. Bottomline, elderly Asians with co-morbidities that diminish innate immunities will experience the highest rates of mortality. Susceptible individuals should quarantine. Not healthy individuals. IN any event, both the elderly and very young, do not have a developed immune stem-cell population sufficient to respond to an antigen and produce sufficient antibodies. Without appropriate stem cells, you will never develop the desired antibody immune response. Period. And this goes for any antigen, including live-attenuated virus, modified attenuated, dead, or adenoviral delivery mechanisms. By the age of 60 the requisite stem cell population begins to decline and by the time you are 80, it is essentially non-existent. Same thing goes for children under roughly 18 months... which is why mom delivers protective antibodies via milk. Those over 60 have roughly 60 years of antibody libraries generated from a lifetime of exposure to different antigens. And this is entirely sufficient unless some novel antigen comes along such as in the manmade virus COVID. Yes. Manmade. Unequivocal in my opinion. You may argue whether it was release on purpose or by accident, but it was designed. Fortunately its not more deadly than it is. In fact, well over 99.5% of clinical cases will survive, and vastly more subclinical cases go unnoticed and uncounted. It isn't very deadly. Maybe about as deadly as the Influenza virus. Moreover, there exist many tried and true mechanisms for avoidance and treatment. High serum levels of vitamin D are vastly superior predictors of who will and who will not be impacted by ANY virus. That factor alone will reduce your susceptibility by as much as 80%.. Of course there is no money in this for big pharm or western med, so other social engineering conspiratorial reasons aside, Vitamin D gets NO press. Add to this Vitamin C, Zinc, and good-old fresh air and sunshine, and statistically, without complicating co-morbidiites, you are highly likely to be just peachy regardless of the viral insult. Then there is Hydroxychloroquine, listed as a fundamentally benign viral prophylactic by the CDC (prior to COVID and further political agendas which mandated that status be rescinded or altered in the past few months) for 100 years. Safe, benign, well used worldwide, cheap, ubiquitous and effective. And if you find yourself in the hospital, Ivermectin. Then there are multiple problems shown in studies investigating mRNA inoculations. So much so that these studies have never produced a viable, approved mRNA inoculation of ANY type prior. Such is the case with the experimental COVID inoculation. Problems include ADE, Cytokine storm, anaphylaxis, etc... all the same issues being reported in a subset of the population receiving the COVID inoculation. Then there are known problems with the adjuvants they admittedly use in this inoculation. PEG in particular may very well be the source of the clotting problems that keep popping up. Without going into further detail in any of the above reasons, and without taking the time to debunk all the nonsense fear-mongering going on right now, I think you get the picture. great post. Interestingly enough, Ivermectin has also shown to be a tremendous prophylactic, especially in a study done in Argentina among healthcare workers. Literally bulletproof in that case. Sadly, this type of onslaught by technocrats looking to use the general public as a petri dish experiment to test their mRNA manipulation of the genome will not stop until half the population is dead and the link to the mRNA "therapies" is obvious enough to cause the sheep to rebel, or some heroes carry out a targeted removal of the perps. Augmented by Grace |
RationalOne
User ID: 2272340 United States 04/09/2021 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79487573 BS [link to www.cninternalmedicine.com (secure)] Last Edited by RationalOne on 04/09/2021 07:09 PM Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious. The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy. |
uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 04/09/2021 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79487573 BS No. Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 billion pathogen virus per injection, likely. Last Edited by uscrusader1 on 04/09/2021 07:16 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29143373 United States 04/09/2021 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Herr Decider mRNA can get into the cell nucleus. It is rare that it does, but it can. But this is a diversion from another problem as noted by Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Krueger being interviewed by the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee. She is a Cell Biologist with over 20 years’ experience in molecular medicine working at the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine. [link to enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp] Speaking of the process by which the spike protein mRNA is manufactured. VSK: "They also have to analyse how strong the activity of the enzymes is; that is very important because I explained that after that the RNA is transcribed from the DNA and then the DNA has to be eliminated, it is digested by enzymes: by DNAses. And if this DNA is not digested well enough, if residues are left, this harbours risks –... ...I’ll come back to the risks from DNA residues, but the activity of the enzymes has to be monitored well and at the end you need to have a pure RNA without any more DNA. And that is not the case. BioNTech has admitted that there are DNA contaminants"... ...WW: Thank you. VSK: To come back to Ms. Fischer’s question about the DNA. The problem is that when it contains DNA contaminants, then the situation is: well, with RNA it is relatively unlikely that it can integrate into the host’s cell nucleus... (NOTE: she did not say impossible. Do some research and see why) ...The situation is different with DNA, and especially in this case because you have contaminants of linearised DNA. The integration of DNA into the nuclear genome is relatively rare really – many different factors have to come together for this to function. First of all the cell has to divide; if it divides properly it can’t be integrated because the cell genome is in the nucleus of the cell and this cell nucleus first has to dissolve. But it only does this when the cell is dividing. I will come back to this, because the lipid nanoparticles get into all cells, not just the muscle cells – it is an error to believe the latter. RF: That is important, that’s what really counts. 18.42 VSK: So it is theoretically possible that this linearised DNA that is in there as a contaminant could integrate into the host’s cell nucleus in a dividing cell, linearised DNA is optimal for integration. Circular DNA is not. DNA from bacteria is circular and is not as easy to integrate. It happens, but not so often. But as soon as you have a situation like we do here, it will happen more often. That is the risk. I didn’t really want to get into what can happen if this is the case: genes can be switched on and off, upregulated and downregulated, cancer can develop – there are a lot more possibilities. So this contamination definitely has to be reduced. Thanx for this excellent post! So this means that with mRNA could happen reverse transcription, i.e. integration of RNA into DNA, rarely but possible AND linearised DNA contaminants of the spike protein, which also could integrate into the nucleus DNA and so switching on and off genes, after which as everyone knows, cancer can develop. And it is also known, that cancer needs it's time to develop, e.g pancreatic cancer needs about 20 years to show up deadly! OK, for folks which are 80+ this may not be the point because they may not live long enough to acquire the negative long time effects of the vaxx, but for younger this is a cause! Or in short: Don't take the vaxx if You're not very old, with a compromised immune system and full of comorbidities and even then, think twice! you got the point. And this is just one of the least potential but devastating long term side effects. The ADE and potential prion development is probably more likely. Then again if you read deeper into that interview, you will see that the mass manufacturing process is so compromised, they are only getting 55% or so viable RNA. Lots of problems. Then there is the short term effect that the isolate spike protein has been shown to cause it's own problems with cardiac pericytes. And more, but that is enough for now. Yes, there are a lot short time, middle time and long time "side effects", but You know what's worst in all this? You will very rarely be able to prove that it was the vaccine. E.g. imagine people get cancer in 5, 10 or 20 years, how can You prove it's from the vaccine? Or all these heart attacks or stroke, how can You prove the vaxx is the cause? And even if you could, it's too late and nobody will be responsible anyway. there must be something more to it that isn't evident yet. In 10 to 20 years many would get cancer anyway, or die of something else. Why would they be pushing this so hard RIGHT NOW for something that would likely develop in many in that amount of years anyway? No, the results they seek will be more immediate. It will do something more immediate than years down the road. The scary thing is finding out what... I believe that is what is motivating this 'hurry up get it now" full court press desperation on their end. They KNOW time is of the essence. People will soon see proof in those who did get the jab. |
uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 04/09/2021 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79487573 BS [link to www.cninternalmedicine.com (secure)] from this thread: Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys Thread: mRNA question Why I do not recommend inoculation: First and foremost, Its not the deadly beast claimed. Sure, in this case if you are old or have comorbidities, it may be deadly because your immune library has no record of this novel viral structure and therefore cannot mount any learned response to it, it may be deadly. Moreso for those with genetic backgrounds that provide higher production numbers of the ACE 2 receptors to which COVID viral particles adhere. Asians with the most receptors in their lungs, followed by blacks, followed by latinos, and lastly with the least number of ACE receptors, caucasians. Bottomline, elderly Asians with co-morbidities that diminish innate immunities will experience the highest rates of mortality. Susceptible individuals should quarantine. Not healthy individuals. IN any event, both the elderly and very young, do not have a developed immune stem-cell population sufficient to respond to an antigen and produce sufficient antibodies. Without appropriate stem cells, you will never develop the desired antibody immune response. Period. And this goes for any antigen, including live-attenuated virus, modified attenuated, dead, or adenoviral delivery mechanisms. By the age of 60 the requisite stem cell population begins to decline and by the time you are 80, it is essentially non-existent. Same thing goes for children under roughly 18 months... which is why mom delivers protective antibodies via milk. Those over 60 have roughly 60 years of antibody libraries generated from a lifetime of exposure to different antigens. And this is entirely sufficient unless some novel antigen comes along such as in the manmade virus COVID. Yes. Manmade. Unequivocal in my opinion. You may argue whether it was release on purpose or by accident, but it was designed. Fortunately its not more deadly than it is. In fact, well over 99.5% of clinical cases will survive, and vastly more subclinical cases go unnoticed and uncounted. It isn't very deadly. Maybe about as deadly as the Influenza virus. Moreover, there exist many tried and true mechanisms for avoidance and treatment. High serum levels of vitamin D are vastly superior predictors of who will and who will not be impacted by ANY virus. That factor alone will reduce your susceptibility by as much as 80%.. Of course there is no money in this for big pharm or western med, so other social engineering conspiratorial reasons aside, Vitamin D gets NO press. Add to this Vitamin C, Zinc, and good-old fresh air and sunshine, and statistically, without complicating co-morbidiites, you are highly likely to be just peachy regardless of the viral insult. Then there is Hydroxychloroquine, listed as a fundamentally benign viral prophylactic by the CDC (prior to COVID and further political agendas which mandated that status be rescinded or altered in the past few months) for 100 years. Safe, benign, well used worldwide, cheap, ubiquitous and effective. And if you find yourself in the hospital, Ivermectin. Then there are multiple problems shown in studies investigating mRNA inoculations. So much so that these studies have never produced a viable, approved mRNA inoculation of ANY type prior. Such is the case with the experimental COVID inoculation. Problems include ADE, Cytokine storm, anaphylaxis, etc... all the same issues being reported in a subset of the population receiving the COVID inoculation. Then there are known problems with the adjuvants they admittedly use in this inoculation. PEG in particular may very well be the source of the clotting problems that keep popping up. Without going into further detail in any of the above reasons, and without taking the time to debunk all the nonsense fear-mongering going on right now, I think you get the picture. great post. Interestingly enough, Ivermectin has also shown to be a tremendous prophylactic, especially in a study done in Argentina among healthcare workers. Literally bulletproof in that case. Sadly, this type of onslaught by technocrats looking to use the general public as a petri dish experiment to test their mRNA manipulation of the genome will not stop until half the population is dead and the link to the mRNA "therapies" is obvious enough to cause the sheep to rebel, or some heroes carry out a targeted removal of the perps. IVM has 5 mechanisms to interrupt wuhan19 infection, a one man team. |
The_Anonymous_Disruptor
User ID: 78475270 Canada 04/09/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know what the F you've been "studying" or if you have learning disabilities, but as a molecular biologist and geneticist, I can tell you unequivocally, that your "description" is no where near accurate. Quoting: President Elect - SloGenPhys Please explain? I'd like to understand this as I have many concerns about these "vaccines". What does happen once you've been injected? What happens if the proteins, prions, or whatever the hell is produced mutates? How long is it producing for? What is the "off switch" for this? I just want an honest, open discussion about this vaccine Tech without all the politics. I want a balance of the Pros/Cons. I also want to understand why this particular 'pandemic' has the only solution of a vaccine while ignoring any other treatments. Thank you |
uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 04/09/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Jolly Jumper Thanx for this excellent post! So this means that with mRNA could happen reverse transcription, i.e. integration of RNA into DNA, rarely but possible AND linearised DNA contaminants of the spike protein, which also could integrate into the nucleus DNA and so switching on and off genes, after which as everyone knows, cancer can develop. And it is also known, that cancer needs it's time to develop, e.g pancreatic cancer needs about 20 years to show up deadly! OK, for folks which are 80+ this may not be the point because they may not live long enough to acquire the negative long time effects of the vaxx, but for younger this is a cause! Or in short: Don't take the vaxx if You're not very old, with a compromised immune system and full of comorbidities and even then, think twice! you got the point. And this is just one of the least potential but devastating long term side effects. The ADE and potential prion development is probably more likely. Then again if you read deeper into that interview, you will see that the mass manufacturing process is so compromised, they are only getting 55% or so viable RNA. Lots of problems. Then there is the short term effect that the isolate spike protein has been shown to cause it's own problems with cardiac pericytes. And more, but that is enough for now. Yes, there are a lot short time, middle time and long time "side effects", but You know what's worst in all this? You will very rarely be able to prove that it was the vaccine. E.g. imagine people get cancer in 5, 10 or 20 years, how can You prove it's from the vaccine? Or all these heart attacks or stroke, how can You prove the vaxx is the cause? And even if you could, it's too late and nobody will be responsible anyway. there must be something more to it that isn't evident yet. In 10 to 20 years many would get cancer anyway, or die of something else. Why would they be pushing this so hard RIGHT NOW for something that would likely develop in many in that amount of years anyway? No, the results they seek will be more immediate. It will do something more immediate than years down the road. The scary thing is finding out what... I believe that is what is motivating this 'hurry up get it now" full court press desperation on their end. They KNOW time is of the essence. People will soon see proof in those who did get the jab. Johns Hopkins SPARS 2025, from 2017 will explain it all. It is a virtual parallel of the current wuhan19 events. |
RationalOne
User ID: 2272340 United States 04/09/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can get into your dna via reverse transcriptase. Life will find a way....article recently published by top biochemist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79487573 BS No. Reverse transcription is 'possible', and with 50 to 100 pathogen virus billion per injection, likely. according to the chemtard...I see. "RNA does not integrate itself into the host genome because there is no reverse transcription and the RNA strand in the vaccine is degraded once the protein is made." Last Edited by RationalOne on 04/09/2021 07:17 PM Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious. The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy. |
troo
User ID: 78459304 United States 04/09/2021 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I was wondering what the horrible thing about this mRNA vaccine is. It seems simple and innocent and will save lives. Here’s what I got Quoting: Carley 80219481 They have been studying mRNA vaccines for 20 years now, they have tried it with Zika, the regular flu, HIV and cancer. Not one has been approved for use. It seems in trials something goes wrong. In animal trial they develop autoimmune diseases or die. They inject us with mRNA, the mRNA binds to the outside of the cell, calling in protein to make the antibodies. The antibodies fight off the virus and all is dandy. The mRNA is then supposed to disappear into our system and not go into the cell. Some scientists have found the mRNA goes into the cell and bonds with the DNA, the DNA is like hey, your not supposed to be here and starts fighting it off. This could lead to autoimmune diseases later in life or even death right now. These scientists are quickly silenced and called quacks. The media won’t cover all of the bad reactions. Some people are strong enough to fight this off but some, like the sick and elderly can not. I guess in short, don’t get this vaccine I understand it differently: The mrna doesn't stick to the outside of the cell. It has to get INTO the cell and hijack your ribosomes (temporarily?) which then synthesize the crispr designed spike proteins. Then those proteins are supposed to get noticed by your immune system which creates non-neutralizing antibodies that then bind to the proteins and cause your immune system to attack the bound proteins. Unfortunately the antibodies can also cause some of your body's tissues to be attacked, too. DNA doesn't fight. If the spike protein gets into the nucleus (like through transfection) it can become part of your dna, and your cells can start replicating using this jacked up dna which is like a cancer. Hopefully your immune system recognizes the cancerous cells and destroys them. If not, who knows what happens. The autoimmunity isn't related to that. The autoimmunity is related to the antibodies causing your immune system to attack existing tissues in your body. If I'm understanding this incorrectly, please correct me. Thanks |
Herr Decider
User ID: 80229075 United States 04/09/2021 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Herr is right , only 50% of the mrna is even useable, the rest is rna of an unknown type. Creating unknown proteins instead of the spike protein. Going from precise lab conditions to mass production did that. Quoting: uscrusader1 50 billion to 100 billion potential mistakes in each mrn a injection. ....says the person who can't understand contrails. TO RATIONALONE: The use of various types of chemicals (nano and otherwise) to create persistent "contrails" for various so called benevolent purposes, most of which are truly nefarious, is well documented and admitted by both the government and private corporations in a plethora of places. I don't fault you for being ignorant since no one can research and know everything. But you are very strident in the face of so many people who claim it to be the case. That should be a hint that maybe you have some catching up to do. To USCRUSADER: According to the good doctor, the non viable mRNA is truncated but still of the same base so it is coding for partial spike proteins if it can code for any protein creation at all. The big problem is the contaminants which are abundant when the production goes MASS. Augmented by Grace |
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