I'm a microbiologist, (bacteriology) ask me whatever you want.

I dont think they knew at the time, i personally think they fucked up cutting costs and covered it up.

Thats a cilli joke bro.

Its a cool movie, pretty realistic, way better than stuff like outbreak etc.

Hello Mr./Mrs./Ms. Microbiologist...

Can we get a response to my previous post?

Can the mucosal tissues of the eyeballs contract a coronavirus in the AIR?! Why haven't the Chinese told their people to wear GOGGLES as well as a mask?

How does this type of transmission bode for people on public transportation? In particular, airports connected to mass transit like trains and city buses? Think about the turnstyle where riders must swipe their pass cards, what about stores with these god-awful touchpad debit/credit card swipers?

The self-checkout lanes and touch screen kiosks EVERYWHERE?!

Who will mandate and check that these have been sanitized on the hour? Will it even matter?!

If it spread by coughing and sneezing in my opinion absolutely 100%, go look in the mirror at your eyes and under your eyelids, you can see all the tiny capilaries, thats a pretty quick route into your body for any virus particles floating in peoples coughs and sneezes.

Not only that, you might rub your face/eye/nose without even thinking about it after touching a surface.



Yeah its fair to assume any surface really that has frequent human contact, door handles, keypads, public telephones, or any enclosed space with lots of people, trains, planes, public transport

All the healthcare workers ive seen brief clips of seem to be wearing face coverings too, ie goggles or a face sheild. Some viruses can be spread by skin to skin contact, so that might not even be enough, the only sure fire way not to contract it when being around sick people might be a possitive pressure suit.

The information is not really clear other than it appears to be similiar in symptoms to SARS and it appears at least genetically to be a new corona virus that has jumped to humans from a bat respiratory corona virus.

The preliminary figures ive seen suggest that as today the 6th it was due to be around 2300 confirmed cases and 50 deaths, which is tracking with what ive seen.

Tomorrow the 27th im checking in to see if its 3500 confirmed cases and 70 deaths, 28th 5000 cases 100 deaths, 29th 7500 cases 150 deaths, 30th 11,000 cases 230 deaths. 31st 16500 cases 340 deaths.

If by the 1st of feb we hit 25000 confirmed cases and 500 deaths im officially starting to worry, because by those rates it would be on track for tens of thousands of deaths before the end of the 2nd week of feb.

I'll just add, im not too worried yet, i think there is a bit too much fear, but im paying attention, imo we will know by the 1st of feb if this is a global pandemic potentially on the scale of the spannish flu outbreak.

1st feb, 25000 cases, 500 deaths officially confirmed is what im paying attention too, at that point imo its way out of the hopes of ever being controlled and fate/god/mother nature is in charge.

So imo right now, they have 5 or 6 more days to get this under control, if the asymtomatic carrier phase is longer than a few days its imo already out of control, we will find out within a week.

I think it should be mentioned again that no matter how deadly this virus is, there are things one can do to greatly minimize personal risk.

1. Wash hands regularly with soap and warm water.

2. Purchase alcohol swabs and hand sanitizer and use these whenever you are away from home.

3. Avoid all unnecessary contact with others, especially in enclosed indoor environments, such as movie theaters, sports arenas, churches, schools (they will be closed if the epidemic/pandemic reaches the US or other Western countries), airports, train stations, trains, planes, meeting rooms, etc.

4. When opening doors, use gloves or open with a forearm, back of your hand, avoid grasping fully.

5. Do NOT touch your hands to your face, period.

6. Be aware of anyone who is coughing or sneezing anywhere in your vicinity and stay as far away from them as possible.

7. If necessary, simply stay home and avoid contact with others altogether for as long as necessary.

Epidemics or pandemics sweep through regions in a period of weeks, so the danger will eventually go away from your area, it will not hang around indefinitely so eventually you will be safe again.

Don't panic, take steps to protect yourself. If you do, your chance of getting infected will be greatly reduced.

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Course you are sunbeam. Course you are

It is now obvious that the real numbers of those infected, especially in China, is way, way under-reported. But one reason for this may actually offer a silver lining to this otherwise grim situation...

It is highly possible that there are many thousands of people in China, particularly Wuhan who have already had this virus and did not suffer an extreme reaction from it (such as cytokine "storm") and therefore never knew they had it. If so, this may well mean that only a certain percentage of victims develops the acute pneumonia phase of the virus, which is when it becomes potentially life-threatening.

There is no way as of yet to determine how low or what percentage of persons gets the most acute form of this disease but this is probably a key factor in its apparent rapid spread.

Many who get it may experience what seems like a normal wintertime cold and then they recover quickly. However, they will be quite contagious and may then pass it on to someone else who has a much more severe reaction.

During the 1918 "Spanish Flu" (which was not from Spain and probably wasn't even influenza) it was mostly the young who had healthy immune systems who suffered an overreaction of their immune systems and thus died from the disease. Older persons often just suffered mild flu-like symptoms and then recovered. Something similar to that may be in play here as well.

Another factor is that viruses which mutate quickly and spread rapidly sometimes become less deadly and they spread out to larger and larger populations. Often they mutate in the very earliest stages to become much more deadly but then tend to simmer down with time. Notice that the three confirmed cases in the US (there are likely far more than that who actually have it or have had it) are all reported to be in "stable" or good condition. Most likely, travelers from China are being quietly screened in the US at present and that is how their illness is being discovered and positively identified. In China at this point, only the sickest of individuals are even getting close to receiving medical care and so it appears as if a high percentage of the total number of infected persons are dying when that may not in fact be factual. Nevertheless, the Chinese government would know that a great many could die from this even if most who are infected don't so this is why you are seeing extreme measures being taken. Add to that the potential for economic collapse and overall panic and then you can see why things are playing out as they are in China.

Not if you're a douche driving one.

I've found some breaking information from a thread on the chans. I cant link it. The summary of the information is as follows, genetic analysis on the genome of the virus.

orf1b region which encodes viral enzymes involved in rna polymerase and ultimately viral replication from host cell ribsomes, this region has novel differences from known corona viruses, this hasnt been seen before.

The S region which encodes surface attachment proteins has extremely similar mix of human SARs attachment proteins and fruitbat corona virus strains, shows signs of viral recombination.

orf8 region again involved in attachment proteins shows simularity with human herpes viruses, im not actually sure why, id speculate bat herpes crossover, but its shown in human HHV-8 herpes kaposi sarcoma virus,which is a herpes virus that is implicated in cancer obviously.

The source suggests that some of the nucleotides are slightly different, than fruitbat corona viruses. My guess on the similar herpes spikes are that the virus may have mutated in the bat that was also infected with herpes and the attachment proteins changed slightly and when this virus came in contact with humans this novelty played a factor in the jump..

I really need a molecular biolgist, a genetic engineer and a virologist to help me out here.

This is true, but how long had the Spanish Flu been incubating and transmitting from host to host before the public identified it and took what measures they could to isolate it, quarantine it, etc?

In other words, in 2020 don't we also have better procedures and technology to identify it earlier in the life cycle of becoming an epidemic, quarantine it and stifle the spread?

Could this be engineered, imo yes, has it been engineered, i dont know, i doubt it, this is way above my pay grade, knowledge base etc.

To me it looks like somebody handled a sick bat that was a vector for more than one virus that was similar to human viruses and its jumped to humans.

There are many differences between today and 1918. Obviously, the technology was vastly inferior for one. Viruses were unknown back then, except by measuring their effects. Unless I'm mistaken, the electron microscope was not invented until 1926, so viruses could not be imaged, for instance.

Today, the specific pathogens can be identified and genetically marked amazingly fast, as this is already happening in the current situation. Additionally, healthcare was far less sophisticated in 1918 than it is today. Pneumonia was literally incurable, particularly if it was bacterial and not viral. The difference there is that one may recover on their own from viral pneumonia but bacterial pneumonia must be treated with aggressive antibiotic therapy or it is very likely to be fatal. And bacterial pneumonia can often develop as a side effect of an acute viral respiratory infection.

Also, in spite of its very recent and spectacular economic expansion, China is still largely a third world country, especially in the vast rural villages and the poorer cities. Unique and exotic germs which can affect humans are often generated there largely due to much greater human-animal contact with diets that include various vermin which are often carriers of potentially deadly pathogens.

If you look at photos from the 1918 pandemic, you will see people wearing face masks that covered their mouths but not their noses, which offered virtually no protection against the virus, for just one example of the differences.

Yes, today's world with its easy global travel can cause pandemics to arise quickly and spread rapidly all over the planet. But this could also possibly cause the pathogen to mutate more rapidly into a less deadly form, as time goes on, though this is not certain, just a possibility.

OP, I'd like to know if you are familiar with "crispr technology".

A: “CRISPR” (nopeounced “crisper”) stands for Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats, which are the hallmark of a bacterial defense system that forms the basis for CRISPR-Cas9 genome editing technology.

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Not familiar with the tech no, i was never involved with genetic engineering past running some pcr and dna fingerprinting using single nucleotide polymorphisms in yeast species, im aware of it, but all i really know about it is its an editing technique, we used to use crap like the shotgun method.

It used to takes ages to sequence stuff back when i messed with stuff, it can be done in a few hours now, im sure the editing tech is much the same and anybody with a few k worth of home equipment can do some genetic engineering you couldnt even do in a high tech lab 20 years ago.

I will read your link , but first coffee! lol


**edited to add** Numerous disturbing things in your link.. Some really cool things too though. I guess there will always be nefarious uses of amazing new discoveries and technology. Most we will never know about.
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I saw this mention of CRISPR

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For instance, the genome-editing technology CRISPR is the basis for Cambridge, Mass.-based startup Sherlock Biosciences’ diagnostics, which promise to slash how long it takes to make a definitive identification. In the U.S, that’s now done only by sending samples to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which uses a technology invented in the 1980s, polymerase chain reaction or PCR, to identify the presence of coronavirus.

“Our vision is that our [CRISPR-based] SHERLOCK and INSPECTR platforms are tailor-made for outbreaks like coronavirus,” said Sherlock CEO Rahul Dhanda, who declined to discuss “specific plans related to coronavirus.”

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Thanks for offering your expertise.

My questions:

1) Some have speculated that this virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan level 4 Bio-lab. If true, and this is a bio-weapon, would it be reasonable to assume the Chinese also developed an antidote or vaccine?
If not, how long to develop a vaccine (or treatment), would you estimate?

2) Seems to me that there is no chance to stop this disease if it spreads like a common cold. Is there a scenario where this can be stopped at this point? Supposedly these viruses mutate a lot. But would those mutations simply dead-end and the initial dangerous strain prevail since it is the more successful variant?

3) I have heard that the serious cases include a polio like paralysis. (perhaps explaining the video of a man doing a face plant on the sidewalk. Does it have a polio like paralysis effect? or is this simply a function of each individual's immune system as to whether it conducts an autoimmune attack on one's oown nerves?

4) This is supposedly adept at jumping species. Is there a list of other species that can carry and transmit the virus? And another list of species that can't?

5) If China has a cure or a vaccine, do you think they would withhold it to save face? Or maybe with hold it for a credible amout of time, then announce their "breakthrough". :)

He should contact the US embassy for assistance.

Just bought 3 packs of proper Surgical Masks from Amazon.

I am taking no chances.

If this really takes off you wont find them anywhere.

Would rather look like a twat,than be dead.

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Explosion of Cases

Suspect Cases (PCR Confirmed)

Clusters of Clusters In Singapore & Malaysia

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(Audio) 30 minutes.

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Updates on presser here.

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I guess this is happening now.. Not sure you can get in.


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CDC Telebriefing: Update on 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)


What
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Who
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When
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