I'm a microbiologist, (bacteriology) ask me whatever you want.

Some UNTESTED cases very well may be.. It IS around. But when a test comes back positive for 2019 nCoV, it is not Pneumonic Plague.

I've seen you say this around the forum, I'm sad to see you prefer to be stubborn.

But I am glad you are not in any agencies working on solutions. lol

We'll see as it plays out.
No offense. I'm not buying anything just yet, too early.
I hear what you are saying. Yes Corona is dominant. In a biological situation things change. We just don't know yet. My position is to examine the obscure possibilities.

Feline coronavirus is an enveloped single-stranded RNA virus that occurs as two pathotypes: feline enteric coronavirus (FECV), defined as the “ubiquitous enteric biotype,” and feline infectious peritonitis virus (FIPV), the “virulent biotype” that causes FIP in individual cats.

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We'll see as it plays out.
No offense. I'm not buying anything just yet, too early.
I hear what you are saying. Yes Corona is dominant. In a biological situation things change. We just don't know yet. My position is to examine the obscure possibilities.

I'm sticking with Pneumonic Plague. Dammit. LOL
But I also suspect this is biological weaponry based on other covert moves and world events at the time 2nd week in December. Even the Pope was aware of the threat, Chinese woman hand grab.

Biological terrorism holding US hostage. The release was a warning. Corona is prominent but there is a secondary infection that will fall into the cracks and is more dangerous.

So Corona released mid-November. Mutated. Second release, different weapon mid-December. By the time Corona gets out of hand it's worldwide and a matter of burying the dead, no time for tests.

Corona is safe for MSM. Plague is a dangerous word.
That's my story.
So yeah, there is the Corona gene sequence footprint, for detectives and then there's the killer weapon... because Dr. Evil thinks he's clever.

China wouldn't close down if it was just the flu. There's more to it.

Psychology, world politics and history (both recent and ancient) are more relevant than microbiology to gather what has happened. Think macro and not micro.

Someone better warn Zakk...

biochem, genetics, immunology and other related fields fried my brain, i had a knack for practical microbiology though.

Yeah the great potential for pandemic is what concerns me most, i think people are vastly under estimating just how much sociopolitical and economic impact a virus that kills just 5% of people could have if it was sufficiently contagious.

5% of 25% of the planet is a damn frigtening amount of people to die (100,000,000) its just a function of the sheer numbers involved, it seems laughable that people would be concerned about a virus that kills only 5% of people, but those that are concerned understand its a numbers thing, non healthy individuals are in deep trouble if they dont get this under control.

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I get that, now I understand you better lol. I tend to be that way also, but I'm always skeptical of the outrageous things like.. the pope thing.. ugh.. I think pope is just an uppity asshole underneath it all, and it shows sometimes lol.

Humans are retched, and I can't even imagine the number of people wanting to infect the world, many of whom might be working in these fields!

But that said, virus are amazing, and can fuck things up pretty good on their own. lol

Looks so bad, we need a miracle again :-/

MERS and SARS, are coronoa viruses. unless you meant nCoV.

Without going off on a tangent, i never bought the idea that HIV wasnt introduced into humans by way of using simian kidneys as growth medium for polio vaccine culture in the 50s in africa.

It was said by reputable accademics that it was a conspiracy theory and disproven, but i 100% think big pharma fucked up and accidentally introduced simian immunodeficiency virus into humans, i cant prove that at all and it is speculation but i guess they'd be on the hook for billions in compensation, it would be worse than the tobacco companies liability.

For anybody not familiar with what im talking about, there were research papers (that were later disproven) that suggested that HIV started because a vaccination program in africa in the 50s used monkey kidneys to culture polio vaccine, it was speculatin these monkey kidneys contained SIV the monkey version of hiv, and thats how HIV started in people.

Can you convince the admins to make one thread about this virus pinned instead of the whole fucking first three pages being pinned with nothing-burger threads?
That would be impressive. I've never seen such a bunch of panicking arm-chair losers crying in my life.

The WHO has released stats on this virus strain, can you interpret them for us.
How long does the virus survive outside the host?
Is the main conduit the eyes.
Is there a secondary more dangerous component , after flu symptoms subside.
What is the exact incubation period.
Thanks.

Granted im not a virologist and my virology is very very rusty. I need to clear some stuff up thats been bugging, me though.

People keep stating that the fatality rate of this virus is for example 3.9% because 39/1000 cases have died, thats not how it works at all. 950+ of those cases still have to recover.

If a virus infects 10 people and within a week 1 person dies, it doesnt mean the virus has a fatality rate of 10%, it just means currently 10% have died, the other 9 still have to fully recover.

I'm not sure I would put any stock in that as a preventative for this virus. I take Life Extension brand black cumin seed oil with bio-curcumin for its antiinflammatory benefits and still got the flu this year. (Nigella, Kalongi, black cumin, fennel - all the same thing).

Good thread.

Thanks for hanging in here for 8 hours or so....and thanks for dealing with the smartasses.

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Yeah, it's a tough call sometimes on a decision. I do not vaccinate my kiki for FIV.

My reasoning is explained better here..

As with HIV, the development of an effective vaccine against FIV is difficult because of the high number and variations of the virus strains. ... It has shown 100% effectiveness against two different subtype B FIV strains. Vaccination will cause cats to have positive results on FIV tests, making diagnosis more difficult.

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She is an indoor princess though.

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In the thriller staring Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow, a fast-moving mystery virus kills tens of millions worldwide as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tries in vain to stop the outbreak.

A flashback in the movie shows just how the fictional virus emerged - with a bat in China infecting a pig that was later handled by a chef who came in contact with Paltrow's character, who became Patient Zero.

With a bat now suspected as the origin of the coronavirus outbreak that began in China's Wuhan, fans of the film are now suggesting it may have been darkly prophetic.
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