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Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 58964338  United Kingdom06/28/2014 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, following what I stated the other day, I have been thinking rather a lot about supposed temporal shifts that have occured and what may be their cause. I will provide a link to Comperio's thread from the other day with regard to a flight in the late 60's that lost all radar, radio contact and even time itself for what appears to be for 10 minutes: Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave Thread: 1969, National Airlines Flight 727 lost radar/radio contact .... and time! When we view time, we need to begin with our own perception of it in order to try to understand its nature, how it works and how we manage to flow effortlessly along its path. As we 'look' at it from our perspective it is regarded as being the "arrow of time" since it seems to move from the past through the present to the future at a fairly constant rate. In view of the universe as a whole, it is very difficult to imagine that a single arrow of time works for the entire universe, however. For one thing, it’d need to be an awfully big arrow and would need to be acting everywhere simultaneously and instantaneously in order to maintain its apparent continuity everywhere. Now, in order for these temporal events to occur: either this single arrow of time needs to overlap, or, there isn’t just a single arrow of time but many of them, perhaps even infinitely many arrows of time working together to construct time as we know it. In fact, time could very well be of a similar nature to gravity in view of current theory. Time could have its own "timon" like we see that gravity appears to work with its own hypothetical "graviton". It all goes back to whether time is a discrete or continuous quantity - however these temporal shifts may very well be evidence for time’s discreteness in which case it could be made of elementary particles like the graviton, baryonic matter etc. Just some food for thought, since this isn't the only apparent occurence of such a phenomenon. It is plausible to compare time to gravity because gravity has an infinite range governed by the inverse square law, and time also appears to have an infinite range - but governed by a constant. And, in order for time to even speed up or slow down, it needs to have some form of 'elasticity' which could very well be provided by a stream of such elementary particles acting together in waveforms.  Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59804337  United States06/30/2014 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, following what I stated the other day, I have been thinking rather a lot about supposed temporal shifts that have occured and what may be their cause. I will provide a link to Comperio's thread from the other day with regard to a flight in the late 60's that lost all radar, radio contact and even time itself for what appears to be for 10 minutes: Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave Thread: 1969, National Airlines Flight 727 lost radar/radio contact .... and time! When we view time, we need to begin with our own perception of it in order to try to understand its nature, how it works and how we manage to flow effortlessly along its path. As we 'look' at it from our perspective it is regarded as being the "arrow of time" since it seems to move from the past through the present to the future at a fairly constant rate. In view of the universe as a whole, it is very difficult to imagine that a single arrow of time works for the entire universe, however. For one thing, it’d need to be an awfully big arrow and would need to be acting everywhere simultaneously and instantaneously in order to maintain its apparent continuity everywhere. Now, in order for these temporal events to occur: either this single arrow of time needs to overlap, or, there isn’t just a single arrow of time but many of them, perhaps even infinitely many arrows of time working together to construct time as we know it. In fact, time could very well be of a similar nature to gravity in view of current theory. Time could have its own "timon" like we see that gravity appears to work with its own hypothetical "graviton". It all goes back to whether time is a discrete or continuous quantity - however these temporal shifts may very well be evidence for time’s discreteness in which case it could be made of elementary particles like the graviton, baryonic matter etc. Just some food for thought, since this isn't the only apparent occurence of such a phenomenon. It is plausible to compare time to gravity because gravity has an infinite range governed by the inverse square law, and time also appears to have an infinite range - but governed by a constant. And, in order for time to even speed up or slow down, it needs to have some form of 'elasticity' which could very well be provided by a stream of such elementary particles acting together in waveforms. Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? TIME IS DEFINED AS AN EVENT IN SPACE... EVENT IS DEFINED AS SOMETHING MAN DOES... HOWEVER IF MAN DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THE EVENT... DID MAN DO THE EVENT??? YES!!! EITHER INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??? BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN STRENGTH... WITHOUT THE POWER OR AUTHORITY... TO COMMAND THE EVENT... ALL IS LOST... OR... THE EVENTS ARE RANDOM... WITHOUT APPARENT CAUSE... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59804337 United States06/30/2014 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, following what I stated the other day, I have been thinking rather a lot about supposed temporal shifts that have occured and what may be their cause. I will provide a link to Comperio's thread from the other day with regard to a flight in the late 60's that lost all radar, radio contact and even time itself for what appears to be for 10 minutes: Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave Thread: 1969, National Airlines Flight 727 lost radar/radio contact .... and time! When we view time, we need to begin with our own perception of it in order to try to understand its nature, how it works and how we manage to flow effortlessly along its path. As we 'look' at it from our perspective it is regarded as being the "arrow of time" since it seems to move from the past through the present to the future at a fairly constant rate. In view of the universe as a whole, it is very difficult to imagine that a single arrow of time works for the entire universe, however. For one thing, it’d need to be an awfully big arrow and would need to be acting everywhere simultaneously and instantaneously in order to maintain its apparent continuity everywhere. Now, in order for these temporal events to occur: either this single arrow of time needs to overlap, or, there isn’t just a single arrow of time but many of them, perhaps even infinitely many arrows of time working together to construct time as we know it. In fact, time could very well be of a similar nature to gravity in view of current theory. Time could have its own "timon" like we see that gravity appears to work with its own hypothetical "graviton". It all goes back to whether time is a discrete or continuous quantity - however these temporal shifts may very well be evidence for time’s discreteness in which case it could be made of elementary particles like the graviton, baryonic matter etc. Just some food for thought, since this isn't the only apparent occurence of such a phenomenon. It is plausible to compare time to gravity because gravity has an infinite range governed by the inverse square law, and time also appears to have an infinite range - but governed by a constant. And, in order for time to even speed up or slow down, it needs to have some form of 'elasticity' which could very well be provided by a stream of such elementary particles acting together in waveforms. Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? TIME IS DEFINED AS AN EVENT IN SPACE... EVENT IS DEFINED AS SOMETHING MAN DOES... HOWEVER IF MAN DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THE EVENT... DID MAN DO THE EVENT??? YES!!! EITHER INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??? BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN STRENGTH... WITHOUT THE POWER OR AUTHORITY... TO COMMAND THE EVENT... ALL IS LOST... OR... THE EVENTS ARE RANDOM... WITHOUT APPARENT CAUSE... NOW ... TAKE AN EVENT THAT IS THAT IS CAUSED BY DIRECT ACTION... OR... AN EVENT CAUSED BY A MAN STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... THE EVENT IS PERFECT... WHY??? THE EVENT IS PRODUCED BY A MAN THAT IS STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... IN "THE TRUTH"... THAT IS ABSOLUTE, PERFECT AND PURE... THEREFORE THE EVENT IS PRODUCED AND CONTROLLED... IS THE DESIRED RESULT... WHO CAUSES THE EVENT??? MAN!!! STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"!!! |
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| Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 58964338 United Kingdom07/01/2014 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59725465 Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? TIME IS DEFINED AS AN EVENT IN SPACE... EVENT IS DEFINED AS SOMETHING MAN DOES... HOWEVER IF MAN DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THE EVENT... DID MAN DO THE EVENT??? YES!!! EITHER INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??? BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN STRENGTH... WITHOUT THE POWER OR AUTHORITY... TO COMMAND THE EVENT... ALL IS LOST... OR... THE EVENTS ARE RANDOM... WITHOUT APPARENT CAUSE... NOW ... TAKE AN EVENT THAT IS THAT IS CAUSED BY DIRECT ACTION... OR... AN EVENT CAUSED BY A MAN STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... THE EVENT IS PERFECT... WHY??? THE EVENT IS PRODUCED BY A MAN THAT IS STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... IN "THE TRUTH"... THAT IS ABSOLUTE, PERFECT AND PURE... THEREFORE THE EVENT IS PRODUCED AND CONTROLLED... IS THE DESIRED RESULT... WHO CAUSES THE EVENT??? MAN!!! STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"!!! Man (or woman) certainly observes these events or can at the very least categorize them as anomalies. Whether they are man made or not merely by our presence, our actions or our observations is another matter entirely. The link certainly exists between our observation of time and the speed with which we seem to pass from one second to another (going back to the time flies when we're having fun idea again.) These temporal shifts could be completely random events without any apparent cause, you're absolutely right about that. Also, if time is an illusion then the illusion itself could present many such anomalies or illusions within illusions, for instance when we consider deja vu. The truth of the matter is we can see a clear link between consciousness and time - therefore, by controlling our degree of consciousness does this not imply that we can control our perception of time? And does that interfere with time anywhere else in the universe? It doesn't appear to - since if I fall asleep and I feel like time has slowed down as I dream, it doesn't necessarily mean that it has slowed down anywhere else. Many, many questions still arise - how can time be continuous if we all have the means of observing it differently. It really does appear to have the ability to change with our observation of it...a discrete property; but what does that actually tell us about its nature and what it is? How can it change our perception of itself by our observation of it? It's a very, very difficult question to even begin to understand let alone to answer... Hmmm time indeed, but what exactly is it? If we remove all the watches, clocks and calendars from the universe, time still somehow 'non-physically ticks' on by. Its very existence animates all life whilst sweeping effortlessly from the past to the future. There are so many questions and I appreciate all the comments and discussion made so far in this thread. Thank you all. :)  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59836825 United States07/01/2014 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? TIME IS DEFINED AS AN EVENT IN SPACE... EVENT IS DEFINED AS SOMETHING MAN DOES... HOWEVER IF MAN DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THE EVENT... DID MAN DO THE EVENT??? YES!!! EITHER INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??? BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN STRENGTH... WITHOUT THE POWER OR AUTHORITY... TO COMMAND THE EVENT... ALL IS LOST... OR... THE EVENTS ARE RANDOM... WITHOUT APPARENT CAUSE... NOW ... TAKE AN EVENT THAT IS THAT IS CAUSED BY DIRECT ACTION... OR... AN EVENT CAUSED BY A MAN STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... THE EVENT IS PERFECT... WHY??? THE EVENT IS PRODUCED BY A MAN THAT IS STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"... IN "THE TRUTH"... THAT IS ABSOLUTE, PERFECT AND PURE... THEREFORE THE EVENT IS PRODUCED AND CONTROLLED... IS THE DESIRED RESULT... WHO CAUSES THE EVENT??? MAN!!! STANDING ON "THE TRUTH"!!! Man (or woman) certainly observes these events or can at the very least categorize them as anomalies. Whether they are man made or not merely by our presence, our actions or our observations is another matter entirely. The link certainly exists between our observation of time and the speed with which we seem to pass from one second to another (going back to the time flies when we're having fun idea again.) These temporal shifts could be completely random events without any apparent cause, you're absolutely right about that. Also, if time is an illusion then the illusion itself could present many such anomalies or illusions within illusions, for instance when we consider deja vu. The truth of the matter is we can see a clear link between consciousness and time - therefore, by controlling our degree of consciousness does this not imply that we can control our perception of time? And does that interfere with time anywhere else in the universe? It doesn't appear to - since if I fall asleep and I feel like time has slowed down as I dream, it doesn't necessarily mean that it has slowed down anywhere else. Many, many questions still arise - how can time be continuous if we all have the means of observing it differently. It really does appear to have the ability to change with our observation of it...a discrete property; but what does that actually tell us about its nature and what it is? How can it change our perception of itself by our observation of it? It's a very, very difficult question to even begin to understand let alone to answer... Hmmm time indeed, but what exactly is it? If we remove all the watches, clocks and calendars from the universe, time still somehow 'non-physically ticks' on by. Its very existence animates all life whilst sweeping effortlessly from the past to the future. There are so many questions and I appreciate all the comments and discussion made so far in this thread. Thank you all. :) DEFINE TIME... 1.system of distinguishing events: a dimension that enables two identical events occurring at the same point in space to be distinguished, measured by the interval between the events. DEFINE EVENTS... 1.important incident: an occurrence, especially one that is particularly significant, interesting, exciting, or unusual DEFINE INCIDENT... 1.event: something that happens, especially a single event DEFINE HAPPEN... 1.occur: to take place... DEFINE OCCUR... 1.happen: to happen or come about 2.exist: to exist or be present 3.enter mind: to come into somebody's mind DEFINE EXIST... 2.live: to be alive, or continue to live MAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS CONSCIENCE OF TIME... THEREFORE ALIVE IN TIME... AND RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL TIME!!! THIS IS HOW TO DEFINE WHAT IS WHAT!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59836825 United States07/01/2014 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man (or woman) certainly observes these events or can at the very least categorize them as anomalies DEFINE ANOMALIES... 1.irregularity: something that deviates from the norm or from expectations YOU AND I CAN SEE THE DISTORTIONS IN EVERYTHING... OUR SENSES ARE AWARE OF... IRREGULARITIES!!! THESE IRREGULARITES DEVIATES FROM "THE TRUTH"!!! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59866400 United States07/02/2014 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TIME IS AN ILLUSION WHEN... TIME IS INDEFINITE, INACCURATE AND IMPURE... THE EVENTS THAT ARE A RESULT OF THIS ACTION... FEELS LIKE AN ILLUSION... WHAT IT REALLY IS... IS DEATH!!! HOWEVER... IF THIS IS DEATH... THEN LIFE MUST BE POSSIBLE... HOW??? DEFINE THE EVENT IN ACCURATE, ABSOLUTE AND PURE... TERMS!!! THEN THE ILLUSION WILL DISAPPEAR... WHAT IS LEFT IS LIFE... THE EVENT I CERTAIN... TIME IS PURE!!! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59897950 United States07/03/2014 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but what does that actually tell us about its nature and what it is? TIME DOES NOT HAVE A NATURE... DEFINE NATURE... 2.forces controlling physical world: the forces and processes collectively that control the phenomena of the physical world independently of human volition or intervention, sometimes personified as a woman called "Mother Nature." DEFINE FORCE... 2.physical power: physical power, effort, or violence used against somebody or something that resists... OR ... VIOLENCE IS THE KEY... WHY VIOLENCE??? THIS IS HOW THE PHYSICAL WORLD WORKS... THE WORLD CAN NOT KILL YOU WITHOUT VIOLENCE... ONCE YOUR DEAD ... TIME STOPS!!! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59897950 United States07/04/2014 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we remove all the watches, clocks and calendars from the universe, time still somehow 'non-physically ticks' on by Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59897950 WITHOUT MAN... THERE IS NO TIME... TIME IS THE RESULT OF THE EVENT... WHICH MAN DOES... THE FACT THAT MAN PHYSICALLY IS HERE... ON THE EARTH... IS TIME ITSELF... MAN... THE EARTH... AND TIME... ARE ALL CONNECTED... WHY??? WITHOUT THE EARTH... MAN CAN NOT EXSIT... THE EARTH WITHOUT MAN... WOULD LOOK LIKE THE MOON!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59897950 United States07/04/2014 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we remove all the watches, clocks and calendars from the universe, time still somehow 'non-physically ticks' on by Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59897950 WITHOUT MAN... THERE IS NO TIME... TIME IS THE RESULT OF THE EVENT... WHICH MAN DOES... THE FACT THAT MAN PHYSICALLY IS HERE... ON THE EARTH... IS TIME ITSELF... MAN... THE EARTH... AND TIME... ARE ALL CONNECTED... WHY??? WITHOUT THE EARTH... MAN CAN NOT EXSIT... THE EARTH WITHOUT MAN... WOULD LOOK LIKE THE MOON!!! SO... WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF MAN, EARTH AND TIME??? MAN IS ON THE EARTH TO TEND THE GARDEN... TIME CONTINUES IN THIS TIME LINE... THIS IS NOT HAPPENING NOW... MAN HAS BEEN SEPARATED FROM THE EARTH AND TIME... THEREFORE DEATH!!! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 53718987 United States07/05/2014 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wait though... backing up to that perfect event, when man is standing on "the truth", and so the event is perfect... who causes the event? the truth...right? if The Man wasn't standing on "the truth," the event wouldn't be perfect? that was how I understood that; like The Man could make another event and it would be possible for that event to not be perfect, but "the truth" could be stood on by Another/Any Man and the resulting event would be perfect? hmm. (I don't really know what the truth acts like in this particular though experiment; I'm actually picturing it as a grand old upholstered hassock in case a man gets tired of standing on the truth and wants to sit on it) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079795 United States07/06/2014 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was wondering, if time could overlap, and if it did, for example two dimensions or more overlapping… And there were a glitch… Could a major city like Boston experience material "marker" glitches? Such as material signs pointing in different directions, wrong, on wrong roads? Please take the time to watch the videos of real events happening in Boston in regard to signs! Thread: CRAZY!! Signs to No Where! You have to see this!! (Videos) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59970368 United States07/06/2014 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is too much to say, but yes - all I could do earlier was drink my coffee and think. :) Decompression... For me it took years!!! Until I gave up and asked the question... What do I have to do??? To finish the race??? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59970368 United States07/06/2014 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wait though... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53718987 backing up to that perfect event, when man is standing on "the truth", and so the event is perfect... who causes the event? the truth...right? if The Man wasn't standing on "the truth," the event wouldn't be perfect? that was how I understood that; like The Man could make another event and it would be possible for that event to not be perfect, but "the truth" could be stood on by Another/Any Man and the resulting event would be perfect? hmm. (I don't really know what the truth acts like in this particular though experiment; I'm actually picturing it as a grand old upholstered hassock in case a man gets tired of standing on the truth and wants to sit on it) The event is time... The event is cause by man ... Man is defined by by the words he uses... Correct... If... Man does not stand on THE TRUTH... the event is not perfect!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59970368 United States07/06/2014 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wait though... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53718987 backing up to that perfect event, when man is standing on "the truth", and so the event is perfect... who causes the event? the truth...right? if The Man wasn't standing on "the truth," the event wouldn't be perfect? that was how I understood that; like The Man could make another event and it would be possible for that event to not be perfect, but "the truth" could be stood on by Another/Any Man and the resulting event would be perfect? hmm. (I don't really know what the truth acts like in this particular though experiment; I'm actually picturing it as a grand old upholstered hassock in case a man gets tired of standing on the truth and wants to sit on it) The event is time... The event is cause by man ... Man is defined by by the words he uses... Correct... If... Man does not stand on THE TRUTH... the event is not perfect!!! The event is mans life!!! THE TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST!!! without JESUS CHRIST mans life will end... With THE TRUTH mans life... Or... Event that is time... Will continue!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59970368 United States07/06/2014 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wait though... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53718987 backing up to that perfect event, when man is standing on "the truth", and so the event is perfect... who causes the event? the truth...right? if The Man wasn't standing on "the truth," the event wouldn't be perfect? that was how I understood that; like The Man could make another event and it would be possible for that event to not be perfect, but "the truth" could be stood on by Another/Any Man and the resulting event would be perfect? hmm. (I don't really know what the truth acts like in this particular though experiment; I'm actually picturing it as a grand old upholstered hassock in case a man gets tired of standing on the truth and wants to sit on it) The event is time... The event is cause by man ... Man is defined by by the words he uses... Correct... If... Man does not stand on THE TRUTH... the event is not perfect!!! The event is mans life!!! THE TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST!!! without JESUS CHRIST mans life will end... With THE TRUTH mans life... Or... Event that is time... Will continue!!! This is what,an searches for... But the answer is right in front of him... Always has been... Always will be... Till the end of your time?!! |
| Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom07/06/2014 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was wondering, if time could overlap, and if it did, for example two dimensions or more overlapping… Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079795 And there were a glitch… Could a major city like Boston experience material "marker" glitches? Such as material signs pointing in different directions, wrong, on wrong roads? Please take the time to watch the videos of real events happening in Boston in regard to signs! Thread: CRAZY!! Signs to No Where! You have to see this!! (Videos) That is very interesting, thanks for the link.  |
Hey Sir Tim