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God?
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the experimenter
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A witness, observing reality, experimenting. Interesting - but what would this accomplish and why go to all the trouble?
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The really relevant question about time-space is how does it begin: it begins with the beginning of consciousness, with the witness. All else is rubish
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...or perhaps the converse. If time as we know it is indeed a fractal, we can only really see fractals 2-dimensionally if we think purely mathematically. So, instead of mapping a sphere ontoa plane, we need to map a plane (the fractal plane) onto a sphere - our reality.
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exactly, wow

i wanted to say projecting from a 2d plane onto a 3d sphere

thx
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np at all, i appreciate your input, an excellent contribution :)
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04/27/2014 06:18 AM
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nothing in nature is linear, everything is spiral, so time is spiral, too. spirals either compress or expand, and events appear to repeat themselves, albeit in higher or lower octaves of the same frequency.

the seemingly linear time is a quality of matter. the more matter gets compressed, the more time gets compressed, too.

the opposite of the physical is the non-physical (or spiritual). the opposite of time is the no-time. in the physical we have three dimensions of space and one of time. in the non-physical we have three dimensions of time and one of space. that's why after death of the physical vehicle our perception of time changes and we're able to move in time like we move in space on this side of the curtain.

the universe is a universe of the illusion of duality and this duality is in everything, also time. if we leave the illusion behind to become one with the creator both time and no-time disappear, just like the physical and non-physical universe disappears. we become both polar opposites and so we're all and nothing.
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Excellent points, particularly with regard to non-physical 'space' having 3d time and 1d space. Very interesting. Also, once again we return to the 'chicken and the egg' scenario...or maybe even 2 chickens and 2 eggs - if we think about the ekpyrotic model of string theory whereby instead of the 1 singularity big bang model, we had two universes (or branes) colliding in order to create the universe and thereby causing the 'big bang echo' we get from the cmb readings. It is a subject that warrantsmuch more discussion. Nice contribution.
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04/27/2014 06:21 AM
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the experimenter
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A witness, observing reality, experimenting. Interesting - but what would this accomplish and why go to all the trouble?
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The really relevant question about time-space is how does it begin: it begins with the beginning of consciousness, with the witness. All else is rubish
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Exactly.

Of course, very difficult even to begin to try to find an answer. We can only speculate. Hypothesize many possibilities. It's good that we don't know everything though otherwise it would be boring. I like that there are so many mysteries still to unravel lke when did time being? what is dark matter/energy? Some day, perhaps we will figure out everything, in which case it will be boring I suppose, albeit extraodinarily enlighteningly boring.
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04/27/2014 06:59 AM
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i find the concept of time absolutely fascinating! Op thanks for this thread, I've been trying to get my head around a lot of what you guys are talking about but its just beyond my grasp.

could you recommend any good sources for a layman to get started on?
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i find the concept of time absolutely fascinating! Op thanks for this thread, I've been trying to get my head around a lot of what you guys are talking about but its just beyond my grasp.

could you recommend any good sources for a layman to get started on?
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Hmmm the subject really is vast, and you could flick through the previous pages I suppose to view some of the papers and links people have added. But, they are advanced you're right - even I have had to take a break from one of them because it is so highly advanced lol. I don't really have any sources as such to really get anybody started on this. To speak for myself and how I got here to start this thread on GLP - I have an ok knowledge of maths and physics and everything else is just thought and contemplation really. Anybody can do it.

If you want to understand this whole area better, I would recommend you begin from the basics of mathematics and start with Newtonian mechanics in physics, getting a grip of the fundamental laws and frameworks from Cartesian to Gauss and then when you've got thisslowly work your way towards special relativity then quantum mechanics and general relativity. There are many other avenues as well, as we have also discussed the idea of psychology with consciousness having an affect on our reality, string theory aswell but from my own perspective that is what I suggest.

Some simple physics textbooks of which many to choose from and the internet is a great resource as well then explore. :)
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"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." - Albert Einstein

Many thanks for all the contributions. :) G'night GLP!

timeout
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Good morning.

Do you know why a raven is like a writing desk?
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Fanatastic thread, this is shaping up to be a GLP classic.

Keep 'em coming.

popcorn
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What is the difference between time and space?
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Good morning.

Do you know why a raven is like a writing desk?
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Good morning to you too (or afternoon now where I am, but since we're discussing time we can say it's still morning somewhere)

Anyway, why is a raven like a writing desk?
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Fanatastic thread, this is shaping up to be a GLP classic.

Keep 'em coming.

popcorn
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Thank you very much. :)

Yes, it has been very interesting with some quite wonderful contributions from various people throughout the realm of GLP.

This is a great place to discuss things. We may be right, we may be wrong...but in the larger scheme of things we're right just to debate/discuss if you know what I mean. :)
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What is the difference between time and space?
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That's a very good question.

Time is space as space is time. They're isomorphic really, in some ways anyway.

I suppose it depends on how you look at them both intrinsically and what exactly they are in the first place. Space can be a void stretching across infinity containing a small percentage of matter or it could be a singularity containing infinity within a single point source. Time may also be both, it could be everywhere across infinity. It may be a singularity or point where past, present and future all coexist - as both have been discussed to various lengths in the thread.

It is very much open to debate.
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What is the difference between time and space?
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That's a very good question.

Time is space as space is time. They're isomorphic really, in some ways anyway.

I suppose it depends on how you look at them both intrinsically and what exactly they are in the first place. Space can be a void stretching across infinity containing a small percentage of matter or it could be a singularity containing infinity within a single point source. Time may also be both, it could be everywhere across infinity. It may be a singularity or point where past, present and future all coexist - as both have been discussed to various lengths in the thread.

It is very much open to debate.
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I'm not very happy at all with that answer I just gave. It was a very good question and in all sincerity if anybody else has a better answer to give please feel free to add your thoughts.

I need some coffee.
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Time is merely the perception of change.

I also conjecture the universe is seemingly shrinking.

I thought deeply about this topic many times.

After one such night, I awoke at 3am with the perfect, simple model demonstrating this.

I am no one important.

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time is nothing
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timing is everything

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mirror lol
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Time is merely the perception of change.

I also conjecture the universe is seemingly shrinking.

I thought deeply about this topic many times.

After one such night, I awoke at 3am with the perfect, simple model demonstrating this.

I am no one important.

0x9184
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Yes it is the perception of change and whether it flows discretely or continously we see our reality seemingly forever change with its course.

With regard to the universe, I see what you mean. We are told that it is expanding and from recent evidence it is accelerating, for reasons we don't fully understand. However, if we assume Earth to be the universe for the moment and how the planet is seemingly getting smaller with the advances in mobile telecommunications, speed of travel and the advances we are making scientifically. It really is getting smaller and smaller.

Now, back to the universe, just the other day we discoevered the first planet (Kepler-186f) that we can deem to be within the 'habitable zone' of a nearby star. Some day we'll be able to visit it, the next perhaps even traverse to the other side of the universe. Beyond that, who knows. For now, time is still running, the seconds tick by, and its very existence is wonderful in our own reality because it gives us the opportunity to learn, explore and maybe even understand what it is, given a little more time.

And, one more thing, you are of great importance. Thank you for your contribution. :)
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time is nothing
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timing is everything

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mirror lol
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That is an awesome gif.
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Bruce Lee was a true legend.

I could do with his incredible skills transfered to thought to try to figure out what the difference (if any) there is between space and time.

Time for a coffee AND an espresso shot or ten I reckon lol. Meh some day we will get there...indeed given enough time. :)
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time is nothing
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timing is everything

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mirror lol
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That is an awesome gif.
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Indeed,timeless;
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time is nothing
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timing is everything

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mirror lol
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That is an awesome gif.
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Indeed,timeless;
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Indubitably so.
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You should look up "The Dark Side of Time" on youtube.
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You should look up "The Dark Side of Time" on youtube.
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Thanks thumbs

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mhm.
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You should look up "The Dark Side of Time" on youtube.
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Thanks thumbs


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This looks very interesting...particularly at the beginning when that chap analyzes gravity and mentions introducing extra time dimensions...

I haven't long enough to watch it all now but I shall save it for later on, many thanks.
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[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Stephen Hawking discusses time travel and what we'd need in order to build a time machine. A very interesting article from the Daily Mail a few years back that I found earlier on that I think is definitely related to our discussion.

"All you need is a wormhole, the Large Hadron Collider or a rocket that goes really, really fast."
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You should look up "The Dark Side of Time" on youtube.
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Thanks thumbs


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This looks very interesting...particularly at the beginning when that chap analyzes gravity and mentions introducing extra time dimensions...

I haven't long enough to watch it all now but I shall save it for later on, many thanks.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


I like the way they tie in dark matter/energy with this look at time, quarter through and it's very interesting.





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