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Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/09/2014 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, following what I stated the other day, I have been thinking rather a lot about supposed temporal shifts that have occured and what may be their cause. I will provide a link to Comperio's thread from the other day with regard to a flight in the late 60's that lost all radar, radio contact and even time itself for what appears to be for 10 minutes: Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave Thread: 1969, National Airlines Flight 727 lost radar/radio contact .... and time! When we view time, we need to begin with our own perception of it in order to try to understand its nature, how it works and how we manage to flow effortlessly along its path. As we 'look' at it from our perspective it is regarded as being the "arrow of time" since it seems to move from the past through the present to the future at a fairly constant rate. In view of the universe as a whole, it is very difficult to imagine that a single arrow of time works for the entire universe, however. For one thing, it’d need to be an awfully big arrow and would need to be acting everywhere simultaneously and instantaneously in order to maintain its apparent continuity everywhere. Now, in order for these temporal events to occur: either this single arrow of time needs to overlap, or, there isn’t just a single arrow of time but many of them, perhaps even infinitely many arrows of time working together to construct time as we know it. In fact, time could very well be of a similar nature to gravity in view of current theory. Time could have its own "timon" like we see that gravity appears to work with its own hypothetical "graviton". It all goes back to whether time is a discrete or continuous quantity - however these temporal shifts may very well be evidence for time’s discreteness in which case it could be made of elementary particles like the graviton, baryonic matter etc. Just some food for thought, since this isn't the only apparent occurence of such a phenomenon. It is plausible to compare time to gravity because gravity has an infinite range governed by the inverse square law, and time also appears to have an infinite range - but governed by a constant. And, in order for time to even speed up or slow down, it needs to have some form of 'elasticity' which could very well be provided by a stream of such elementary particles acting together in waveforms. Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? Moreover - why? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60098655 United States 07/10/2014 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, following what I stated the other day, I have been thinking rather a lot about supposed temporal shifts that have occured and what may be their cause. I will provide a link to Comperio's thread from the other day with regard to a flight in the late 60's that lost all radar, radio contact and even time itself for what appears to be for 10 minutes: Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave Thread: 1969, National Airlines Flight 727 lost radar/radio contact .... and time! When we view time, we need to begin with our own perception of it in order to try to understand its nature, how it works and how we manage to flow effortlessly along its path. As we 'look' at it from our perspective it is regarded as being the "arrow of time" since it seems to move from the past through the present to the future at a fairly constant rate. In view of the universe as a whole, it is very difficult to imagine that a single arrow of time works for the entire universe, however. For one thing, it’d need to be an awfully big arrow and would need to be acting everywhere simultaneously and instantaneously in order to maintain its apparent continuity everywhere. Now, in order for these temporal events to occur: either this single arrow of time needs to overlap, or, there isn’t just a single arrow of time but many of them, perhaps even infinitely many arrows of time working together to construct time as we know it. In fact, time could very well be of a similar nature to gravity in view of current theory. Time could have its own "timon" like we see that gravity appears to work with its own hypothetical "graviton". It all goes back to whether time is a discrete or continuous quantity - however these temporal shifts may very well be evidence for time’s discreteness in which case it could be made of elementary particles like the graviton, baryonic matter etc. Just some food for thought, since this isn't the only apparent occurence of such a phenomenon. It is plausible to compare time to gravity because gravity has an infinite range governed by the inverse square law, and time also appears to have an infinite range - but governed by a constant. And, in order for time to even speed up or slow down, it needs to have some form of 'elasticity' which could very well be provided by a stream of such elementary particles acting together in waveforms. Temporal shift is nothing more than variations in definitions... If these events are occuring - then what are their cause? Moreover - why? IF... MAN WAS NOT HERE... THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY EVENTS... THEREFORE NO CAUSE!!! THIS IS WHY... DATING THE UNIVERSE IS NOT POSSIBLE... DATING ANYTHING BEFORE MAN IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! |
Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/10/2014 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60098655 I suppose we already have at least some of the answers already in view of an answer being reality itself. Existence is the answer to such a question of: "Time: What could be done with such a thing?" ...since it unmasks the drawing of reality and allows it to become animated and to run freely as a very long and detailed movie (as an analogy.) As for what it is, perhaps we're not meant to know its true nature. The discussion is an interesting one - to try to understand what it is has made this thread mind-blowing and a pleasure to have started. The debate will continue. We'll see new phenomena occuring in every day life and try to put together the puzzle pieces, but will the puzzle ever appear complete? I can't answer that. We've deduced that there are many connections with time and our perceptions of reality. No doubt we'll uncover many more... Last Edited by Tim The Enchanted on 07/10/2014 12:26 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60118547 United States 07/10/2014 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As for what it is, perhaps we're not meant to know its true nature. BY DEFINITION... TIME HAS BEEN DEFINED ... WE ARE MEANT TO KNOW... OTHER WIZE THE DICTIONARY WOULD NOT HAVE DEFINED IT!!! HOWEVER... YOU ARE CORRECT... THAT THE WATERS HAVE BEEN MUDDY UP... SO THAT THE CORRECT DEFINTION IS HARD TO SEE... WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60118547 United States 07/10/2014 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We'll see new phenomena occuring in every day life and try to put together the puzzle pieces... THINGS HAPPEN EVERY DAY... TO CALL THEM PHENOMENA... IS TO SAY... DEFINE PHENOMENA... 1.something experienced: a fact or occurrence that can be observed... THAT YOU DEPEND ON SENSES TO DEFINE YOUR EXPERIANCE OR OCCURRENCE... YOU WILL BE MISLEAD... THE SENSES VIEW THE DISTORTIONS IN THE WORLD... THESE ARE DISTORTIONS IN TIME... THIS IS WHY THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ARE SO HARD TO PUT TOGEATHER!!! |
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(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/12/2014 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As for what it is, perhaps we're not meant to know its true nature. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60118547 BY DEFINITION... TIME HAS BEEN DEFINED ... WE ARE MEANT TO KNOW... OTHER WIZE THE DICTIONARY WOULD NOT HAVE DEFINED IT!!! HOWEVER... YOU ARE CORRECT... THAT THE WATERS HAVE BEEN MUDDY UP... SO THAT THE CORRECT DEFINTION IS HARD TO SEE... WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? We'll see new phenomena occuring in every day life and try to put together the puzzle pieces... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60118547 THINGS HAPPEN EVERY DAY... TO CALL THEM PHENOMENA... IS TO SAY... DEFINE PHENOMENA... 1.something experienced: a fact or occurrence that can be observed... THAT YOU DEPEND ON SENSES TO DEFINE YOUR EXPERIANCE OR OCCURRENCE... YOU WILL BE MISLEAD... THE SENSES VIEW THE DISTORTIONS IN THE WORLD... THESE ARE DISTORTIONS IN TIME... THIS IS WHY THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ARE SO HARD TO PUT TOGEATHER!!! YOUR RIGHT... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60162857 EMOTIONS ARE A SENSORY RESPONSE TO ... WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING OUT FOR OUR SENSES TO SENSE... WHICH IS THEIR VERSION OF TRUTH!!! LOGIC IS REASON... THEY USE REASON TO EMBELISH OUR SENSES TO TRICK US... THEN ENSLAVE US AND KILL US DAILY!!! THIS IS WHAT STOPS TIME... AND DISTORTS IT!!! Thank you both very much for your contributions. :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60195669 United States 07/13/2014 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As for what it is, perhaps we're not meant to know its true nature. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60118547 BY DEFINITION... TIME HAS BEEN DEFINED ... WE ARE MEANT TO KNOW... OTHER WIZE THE DICTIONARY WOULD NOT HAVE DEFINED IT!!! HOWEVER... YOU ARE CORRECT... THAT THE WATERS HAVE BEEN MUDDY UP... SO THAT THE CORRECT DEFINTION IS HARD TO SEE... WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? We'll see new phenomena occuring in every day life and try to put together the puzzle pieces... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60118547 THINGS HAPPEN EVERY DAY... TO CALL THEM PHENOMENA... IS TO SAY... DEFINE PHENOMENA... 1.something experienced: a fact or occurrence that can be observed... THAT YOU DEPEND ON SENSES TO DEFINE YOUR EXPERIANCE OR OCCURRENCE... YOU WILL BE MISLEAD... THE SENSES VIEW THE DISTORTIONS IN THE WORLD... THESE ARE DISTORTIONS IN TIME... THIS IS WHY THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ARE SO HARD TO PUT TOGEATHER!!! YOUR RIGHT... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60162857 EMOTIONS ARE A SENSORY RESPONSE TO ... WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING OUT FOR OUR SENSES TO SENSE... WHICH IS THEIR VERSION OF TRUTH!!! LOGIC IS REASON... THEY USE REASON TO EMBELISH OUR SENSES TO TRICK US... THEN ENSLAVE US AND KILL US DAILY!!! THIS IS WHAT STOPS TIME... AND DISTORTS IT!!! Thank you both very much for your contributions. :) Thank you ... You have been a gracious O P !!! |
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Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/13/2014 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is still in front of us... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What do we do with this info??? Suggestions??? What if you knew all the answers... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What would you do with the knowledge??? Very good questions. I discussed this very thing briefly in an earlier thread of mine: Thread: Time travel, portals to parallel universes, Tesla, Maxwell, Einstein etc. I think its great that we don't really know very much at all about our universe and I think it would be boring if we did. That being said, there have been great minds in the past and there will be in the future who may have to deal with the responsibilities of discovering or acquiring such advanced knowledge. Going back to your statement about the questions being in front of us. You're absolutely right: as we view the universe, we also view all the answers we need when we question anything about it. Looking up at the stars, we see the results of what is a truly majestic and incredible design. The questions are out there, as are their answers. The right ones are still to be posed I suppose and they may never be found, but the curiosity we have as intelligent beings will always make us wonder... Last Edited by Tim The Enchanted on 07/13/2014 12:36 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60220434 United States 07/14/2014 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is still in front of us... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What do we do with this info??? Suggestions??? What if you knew all the answers... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What would you do with the knowledge??? Very good questions. I discussed this very thing briefly in an earlier thread of mine: Thread: Time travel, portals to parallel universes, Tesla, Maxwell, Einstein etc. I think its great that we don't really know very much at all about our universe and I think it would be boring if we did. That being said, there have been great minds in the past and there will be in the future who may have to deal with the responsibilities of discovering or acquiring such advanced knowledge. Going back to your statement about the questions being in front of us. You're absolutely right: as we view the universe, we also view all the answers we need when we question anything about it. Looking up at the stars, we see the results of what is a truly majestic and incredible design. The questions are out there, as are their answers. The right ones are still to be posed I suppose and they may never be found, but the curiosity we have as intelligent beings will always make us wonder... I think its great that we don't really know very much ... YOU ARE RIGHT... IF... WE DID KNOW... WHAT WOULD HAPPEN??? WE WOULD HAVE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO COMMAND... OR SUBDUE "THE EARTH"!!! COULD WE HANDLE THAT??? IN OUR CURRENT STATE... NO!!! OUR CURRENT STATE IS RULED BY OUR SENSES... THAT ARE EASILY DECIEVED AND TRICKED... BY THE LIKES OF OUR GOV AND OTHERS!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60214673 Japan 07/14/2014 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is still in front of us... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What do we do with this info??? Suggestions??? In short: Doc Brown realized that "Time traveling had become much to painful." and destroyed his time machine. Then, realizing that was the bullshit of his youthful self, scrapped that notion and built one 10x more obnoxious and made it into an RV for his family. Moral: Follow your dreams and be a good family man no matter how fuckin old you are when your first kid is born. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60226079 United States 07/14/2014 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GREAT MINDS OF THE PAST HAVE DEPENDED ON THEIR 5 SENSES... FOR THE INVENTIONS AND ADVANCEMENTS... THAT OUR SOCIETY ENJOYS... BUT... AT WHAT COST??? IS THIS COST THEIR RESPONSIBILITY??? AND FUTURE GREAT MINDS... WILL THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION... THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LOVE... AND REFUSE TO ENSLAVE AND KILL THEIR FELLOW MAN??? NO!!! WHEN THEY DECIDE TO ... TO LOVE THEIR BROTHER... THEN THINGS WILL CHANGE!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60226079 United States 07/14/2014 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is still in front of us... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60195669 What do we do with this info??? Suggestions??? In short: Doc Brown realized that "Time traveling had become much to painful." and destroyed his time machine. Then, realizing that was the bullshit of his youthful self, scrapped that notion and built one 10x more obnoxious and made it into an RV for his family. Moral: Follow your dreams and be a good family man no matter how fuckin old you are when your first kid is born. LIFE IN GENERAL IS PAINFUL... DOC BROWN WAS A SELF SEEKER... THE PAIN HE CAUSED... IS A REFLECTION OF HIMSELF... AND HIS GODHEAD... WHICH ALWAYS ENDS IN SLAVERY AND DEATH!!! MORAL TO THE STORY... LOVE YOUR BROTHER!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57638480 United States 07/14/2014 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Big Ol' Thread about TIME and has anyone mentioned ... father TIME? Quoting: Jar Jar Shminks 24784240 AKA CRONUS AKA Good ol' Sickle Daddy SATURN... Meesa sayin protect your balls son! [link to coraskywalker.files.wordpress.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60356753 United States 07/17/2014 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the sun moves in space and time, the energies change due to arriving at different spaces within the universe that contain different properties. This solar system is transforming as it moves into a different area. This transformation is from one particular force of dimensional properties to a different dimensional field of properties. |
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(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/18/2014 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the sun moves in space and time, the energies change due to arriving at different spaces within the universe that contain different properties. This solar system is transforming as it moves into a different area. This transformation is from one particular force of dimensional properties to a different dimensional field of properties. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60356753 Fortunately, we have the heliosphere to protect us from many harmful things in the interstellar medium and the sun's magnetic field continues to do so. That being said, with respect to multi-dimensional facets and variabilities in the properties of the regions of outer space, as you rightly hypothesize - we may encounter transformations such as the variability of space and time. Of course, if our solar system were to visit a region which had the capabilities of changing the properties of time, would we be any the wiser? (since our local perception of time is from within.) Therefore if time were to slow down or speed up, it would effect everything...so in theory, we wouldn't notice any changes at all. Whereas looking at the properties of the solar system from the outside, it could look very different. |
Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave
(OP) User ID: 54925840 United Kingdom 07/18/2014 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're absolutely right: as we view the universe, we also view all the answers we need when we question anything about it... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60247745 RIGHT ON!!! Looking up at the stars, we see the results of what is a truly majestic and incredible design. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60247745 WELL SAID!!! Thank you. |