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Sir Tim  (OP)

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how does this tie into the concept of parallel universes? would it be theoretically possible to re-live in past or future time periods occurring in parallel timelines?

and if so would this imply that something larger than time holds multiple different timelines? so our timeline is separate from an infinity-1 number of timelines, all running parallel to this time. some running forward, others running backward.

but they'd all be contained inside a meta-universe or multiverse?

Thread: Anyone remember the Berenstein Bears? Proof of PARALLEL UNIVERSE???
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WOW. Very interesting thread, thanks a lot for the link. I see there are many pages - I will save this for later reading.

In essence, the very existence of parallel universes implies the existence of multiple timelines (and vice versa.) Of course, when we consider the concept of a multiverse model, this would exist upon many layers: perhaps infinitely many to allow for multidimensionality and a fractal or telescopic model of reality. In other words, our single timeline may very well hold many universes within universes if we consider our universe to be an atom inside another universe. Also, our universe may contain multiple timelines existing simultaneously in order to allow for variability in time perception or timeshifts with respect to our differing perspectives of time with degree of consciousness etc.

I have been doing this hmm rather a lot lately.
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Thread: Why can we remember the past but not the future?

Thread: Remember "Quantum Leap"??

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Time is motion and change. If things ceased to move or change, there would be no time.

Time is therefore life. Life is motion and change.
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Yes, all working together in harmony.
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Beautiful, isn't it?!
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Time is motion and change. If things ceased to move or change, there would be no time.

Time is therefore life. Life is motion and change.
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Yes, all working together in harmony.
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Beautiful, isn't it?!
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Mhm, yes it is. :)
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

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He was right - a mushroom growing - an explosion with mushroom could -
A growing crystal - a tree growing - We are privileged to view the "event unfold"
in what we call time - a visitor from another planet may see the mushroom grow as fast as the explosion - he may see green explosions all over the Earth. They are trees growing - Similarly we can slow down the video of an explosion the watch it grow. Time is "our" thing. Any living creature, rocks don't do time.
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Events have polarity - the beginning is the positive and the end is negative. It happens instantly - but we live inside of it (we are in fact part of it) and experience what we have to call "time" until it "reaches" completion.
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


He was right - a mushroom growing - an explosion with mushroom could -
A growing crystal - a tree growing - We are privileged to view the "event unfold"
in what we call time - a visitor from another planet may see the mushroom grow as fast as the explosion - he may see green explosions all over the Earth. They are trees growing - Similarly we can slow down the video of an explosion the watch it grow. Time is "our" thing. Any living creature, rocks don't do time.
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"Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously."

It's also how a dog knows that his owner will arrive home -
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


He was right - a mushroom growing - an explosion with mushroom could -
A growing crystal - a tree growing - We are privileged to view the "event unfold"
in what we call time - a visitor from another planet may see the mushroom grow as fast as the explosion - he may see green explosions all over the Earth. They are trees growing - Similarly we can slow down the video of an explosion the watch it grow. Time is "our" thing. Any living creature, rocks don't do time.
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"Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously."

It's also how a dog knows that his owner will arrive home -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60339324


You're absolutely right, very good points. I never thought of a tree like a mushrooming explosion - In what takes many years (to us) for a tree to grow, condense that into just a few seconds from another perception, it would appear like an explosion. Also, a dog could very well have its "sixth sense" by means of having the ability to hone in on this knowledge that Einstein points to.
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Events have polarity - the beginning is the positive and the end is negative. It happens instantly - but we live inside of it (we are in fact part of it) and experience what we have to call "time" until it "reaches" completion.
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I agree.
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


He was right - a mushroom growing - an explosion with mushroom could -
A growing crystal - a tree growing - We are privileged to view the "event unfold"
in what we call time - a visitor from another planet may see the mushroom grow as fast as the explosion - he may see green explosions all over the Earth. They are trees growing - Similarly we can slow down the video of an explosion the watch it grow. Time is "our" thing. Any living creature, rocks don't do time.
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"Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously."

It's also how a dog knows that his owner will arrive home -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60339324


It would also explain how the single photon "knows" that there are 2 slits and not one or only one slit and not 2.
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Events have polarity - the beginning is the positive and the end is negative. It happens instantly - but we live inside of it (we are in fact part of it) and experience what we have to call "time" until it "reaches" completion.
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I agree.
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does it ever truly reach completion? or does it just move into a new beginning?
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Zurvanism - very interesting. The God of infinite time...perhaps the Sasanian Empire knew more than we do about the concept of time.

We only see time as a \'single arrow\', because we think sequentially. It\'s imaginary. Time doesn\'t actually exist, because it\'s all there simultaneously.

Which came first - chicken or egg? Neither. The answer is \'both\' and \'neither\' - which makes no sense but must be so.
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Interesting point. Kind of like Schrödinger\'s cat except time is in the box and not the cat. Hmmm.

Ive liked the idea that time isn\\\'t linear.
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Neither Time nor Space is linear: the Event Horizont
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Are you suggesting that we could be inside an event horizon?
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Sure. Do you know the Event beginning all else?
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let there be light

Before that there was no speed of light limit in the universe.

Things were moving faster than light until the speed limit was created, which caused the end of the inflation period.
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Events have polarity - the beginning is the positive and the end is negative. It happens instantly - but we live inside of it (we are in fact part of it) and experience what we have to call "time" until it "reaches" completion.
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I agree.
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does it ever truly reach completion? or does it just move into a new beginning?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


That is a good question.

It is difficult to know whether there is a beginning or an end to time. If we try to compare it to other phenomena in the universe, we may have a clue. For instance, we see that the conservation of energy implies that energy may never be created, nor destroyed within a closed system. If we take the universe to be such a closed system, energy exists and it can be changed from one form to another or transferred from one object to another. Taking this further, this is evidence for a form of perpetuality and time may very well follow similar rules within such a closed system i.e. our universe. Does time have the ability to undergo such transitions in order to exhibit perpetuality?

Who knows...
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Zurvanism - very interesting. The God of infinite time...perhaps the Sasanian Empire knew more than we do about the concept of time.

We only see time as a \'single arrow\', because we think sequentially. It\'s imaginary. Time doesn\'t actually exist, because it\'s all there simultaneously.

Which came first - chicken or egg? Neither. The answer is \'both\' and \'neither\' - which makes no sense but must be so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27657256


Interesting point. Kind of like Schrödinger\'s cat except time is in the box and not the cat. Hmmm.

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Neither Time nor Space is linear: the Event Horizont
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Are you suggesting that we could be inside an event horizon?
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Sure. Do you know the Event beginning all else?
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let there be light

Before that there was no speed of light limit in the universe.

Things were moving faster than light until the speed limit was created, which caused the end of the inflation period.
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You reminded me of this:

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How Gravity Explains Why Time Never Runs Backward

[link to www.wired.com]

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Photons Simulate Time Travel In The Lab

Physicists in Australia claim to have simulated time travel using fairly standard optical equipment on a lab bench. They say they have prepared photons that behave as if they are travelling along short cuts in space–time known as "closed time-like curves", and add that their work might help in the long-sought-after unification of quantum mechanics and gravity.

[link to physicsworld.com]

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