Time.

Another question arises, taking the calendar example of 0 a step further and also MaybeTrollingU's example - if we have a universe and then we take everything away from this universe so that it is devoid of all matter a vacuum universe if you will - would time still exist if you were in the centre of that universe without any frames of reference with which to even measure time?

Naturally, as an observer outside of this universe using our parameters on Earth we could argue that time exists as we look at it from our viewpoint, but if you were an observer inside that universe, time could not be measured therefore could it exist without a framework with which to measure it? I suppose it goes back to the observations we see in quantum mechanics and it is all related.

Even within the universe "time", a day differs from a fly, tree or a human being, or to a being that understands it is eternal as opposed to one that does not and are told they have weeks to live due too projected implications due to a malady.

How about soul time?
That consists of alignment with it from where you obtain higher
excitment and that helps you create in a more prepared way.

Soul time? Please elaborate. :)

Before you got here you wrote a blueprint of all possible experiences you can have, lets call that your template of reality. Everyone did so, so there is a collective template that consists of agreements and relationships[by relationships i mean conections of any kind].
You have an individual automatic mind set to trigger when certain experiences occour so you're put on the path of fulfilling your theme/themes of exploration.
When you do those types of activities you're going with the soul flow, thats when the automatic collective mind can brake down, even gravity.

I see what you mean. We are certainly destined to have an infinite number of possible experiences with such a blueprint. The question still remains, is this destination a 'predestination'. Do we have the choice to walk the path and fulfil this blueprint by our own accord or are our choices really just decisions that were already made? Free will as you will, a highly contested debate ensues with that argument.

Also, with regard to time - such a blueprint would also allow or more to the point require time in order for the blueprint to be achieved and the path followed - but if we are indeed of an already written blueprint, would time exist just for this purpose - in which case, is time itself a predestined blueprint? ...in other words still, is time a quantity that has been delibertaely made for such a purpose? Hmmm.

Having an infinite possible version of our experience free will seems to be at our each step, but each step is already filled, a paradox if you will..

Indeed, timeS seem to be at our basics to have the existance that we require
But our understanding of time will be updated with the new generations, and we will start slipping into unlinear, whitch it always was but our perspective was imposed.

Yes it really all comes down to the chicken and the egg scenario - and you're right, with each step we are left with infinitely many to make/choose at the next step and so on...and with each new generation understanding will or should increase exponentially along with knowledge and wisom.

It still does makes me wonder whether there is any order to how things suddenly came into existence. We accept that there was in all likelihood a big bang either from a singularity or the collision of two branes etc. Everything must have a start and an end...so we naturally assume the same for our universe and it should be same also for the existence of time and indeed mathematics; or do they really need a beginning? Did time arrive before mathematics, our universe and everything else? Did everything just appear at once, has it always been? Who knows - a paradox like you said.

This also loosely ties in with a thread I started before I became a member a few weeks ago.

Thread: Is mathematics the link between science and God?

It has discussed many things which are parallel to this in some ways, for instance the paradox which occurs...

Its not this or that, is this and that.

At first was something that was unaware of itself and still is, but then it somehow realised itself, and then pam, infinity.
The universes and intelligence is an outcome of that realisation if you want it in a "step by step" way.
The experience of building a house is not the same with living in one, when we go back in soul you can have it instant. Not sure if its because someone already did it "step by step" or because its easy to manifest. In a way this place is manifestation school for the step by step'ers.

Here you go. Some more reading for your delight. The Orch OR theory: [link to www.sciencedirect.com]

the witness

God?

Greg Braden actually wrote an awesome book called fractal time...you all would do well to check it out. He kinda reminds me of Maynard James Keenan for some reason but that isn't really my point...

MTU's example is fucking awesome! Opie posted a monster...

Time is an illusion of movement through 3-D space. That is the TL;DR of what MTU is trying to say but he gives you the nuts and bolts which is where most people give up on the illusion.

Time is reactionary, Time is bendable, Time can be stretched and turned in on itself or looped and altered to form spirals...Time is a construct of consciousness. Time, like an atom, will change its behavior depending on the observer and his location in spacetime. (maybe if people stopped calling spacetime, space it would be more obvious, no?)

Its like the tree falling in the woods...Does it make a sound if no one heears it? This question is an Onion. And if you keep peeling back the layers you realize that certain things are dependent on conscious observation/participation to actually be found in time and conceived...this is the hologram...we are being projected into 3D space from the singularity...from a black-hole and in true fractal form...this process just keeps repeating...we are simply on a given level of the fractal...go far enough, quick enough and things will appear to have time travelled but only you moved...

We can assume all of the above because Time is Space. Time is a baby realizing that the face in the mirror is its own...

the experimenter

I came to the same conclusion.Time is an illusion created by space on space.It goes back to understanding motion and matter.

Greg Braden actually wrote an awesome book called fractal time...you all would do well to check it out. He kinda reminds me of Maynard James Keenan for some reason but that isn't really my point...

MTU's example is fucking awesome! Opie posted a monster...

Time is an illusion of movement through 3-D space. That is the TL;DR of what MTU is trying to say but he gives you the nuts and bolts which is where most people give up on the illusion.

Time is reactionary, Time is bendable, Time can be stretched and turned in on itself or looped and altered to form spirals...Time is a construct of consciousness. Time, like an atom, will change its behavior depending on the observer and his location in spacetime. (maybe if people stopped calling spacetime, space it would be more obvious, no?)

Its like the tree falling in the woods...Does it make a sound if no one heears it? This question is an Onion. And if you keep peeling back the layers you realize that certain things are dependent on conscious observation/participation to actually be found in time and conceived...this is the hologram...we are being projected into 3D space from the singularity...from a black-hole and in true fractal form...this process just keeps repeating...we are simply on a given level of the fractal...go far enough, quick enough and things will appear to have time travelled but only you moved...

We can assume all of the above because Time is Space. Time is a baby realizing that the face in the mirror is its own...

stereo-graphic projection

stereo-graphic projection

I really want to read that book.

...or perhaps the converse. If time as we know it is indeed a fractal, we can only really see fractals 2-dimensionally if we think purely mathematically. So, instead of mapping a sphere ontoa plane, we need to map a plane (the fractal plane) onto a sphere - our reality.

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the eyes are the windows to the soul

when the eyes are shut the mind is blind