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*now is*
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Now, going foreward:
Remember the rubiks cube example? Well, it is this way, because we are spinning with it in the same way. But our universe is a composition of energy, vibrating in an infinite possible combinations. The one we are, happens to be spinning, lets say: Back to front, left to right and up to down. Imagine this is the frequency that our realm is. But this same universe can also be spinning lets say: Back to front, left to right, but down to up. This is what people will call a "paralel universe". Because of this different spinning, we in this realm, can't see the others in this different spinning realm and vice-versa. There, particles move in a different way than here, but they are the same particles. How is it possible? I encourage you to read about the double slit experiment. It can compare to this:
Imagine you hitting a cueball in a pooltable. It crosses the table and hits the opposite border. This is what happens when you are looking at it. But imagine that you hit it without looking at it. In this case, since you're not looking at it, this cueball is in all possible locations on the table at the same time and is still the same ball. Each of the possible locations of the cueball is the point of view of one realm. When the ball is still, in your perspective, rolling on the table, suppose you look at it. Then it is not anymore in all possible locations, correct? Yes, but in your perspective.
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You miss the fact that we contract and expand, and that there are no secrets, everything is accesable by anything.
And you're talking about the base particle, thats everything at once.
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Contract and expand in whose point of view but our own?
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Now, going foreward:
Remember the rubiks cube example? Well, it is this way, because we are spinning with it in the same way. But our universe is a composition of energy, vibrating in an infinite possible combinations. The one we are, happens to be spinning, lets say: Back to front, left to right and up to down. Imagine this is the frequency that our realm is. But this same universe can also be spinning lets say: Back to front, left to right, but down to up. This is what people will call a "paralel universe". Because of this different spinning, we in this realm, can't see the others in this different spinning realm and vice-versa. There, particles move in a different way than here, but they are the same particles. How is it possible? I encourage you to read about the double slit experiment. It can compare to this:
Imagine you hitting a cueball in a pooltable. It crosses the table and hits the opposite border. This is what happens when you are looking at it. But imagine that you hit it without looking at it. In this case, since you're not looking at it, this cueball is in all possible locations on the table at the same time and is still the same ball. Each of the possible locations of the cueball is the point of view of one realm. When the ball is still, in your perspective, rolling on the table, suppose you look at it. Then it is not anymore in all possible locations, correct? Yes, but in your perspective.
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When you mentioned the double slit and moreover theI was thinking of the consequences ofthe experiment with regard to the wave-particle duality observed - It's entirely plausible to think that there are two universes co-existing as a result of wave-particle duality. One universe exhibiting physics based upon 'wave matter' whilst the other exhibits 'particle matter'. Now with regard to this particular subject let's assume that they are both identical with the exception that time moves forward in one, whilst it moves backwards in the other. Equal and opposite, coexisting harmoniously which could fulfil the criteria for entire existence, including time being a part of a single point or singularity as it were kind like what Einstein was referring to. Well, at least in these two theoretical universes.
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Now, going foreward:
Remember the rubiks cube example? Well, it is this way, because we are spinning with it in the same way. But our universe is a composition of energy, vibrating in an infinite possible combinations. The one we are, happens to be spinning, lets say: Back to front, left to right and up to down. Imagine this is the frequency that our realm is. But this same universe can also be spinning lets say: Back to front, left to right, but down to up. This is what people will call a "paralel universe". Because of this different spinning, we in this realm, can't see the others in this different spinning realm and vice-versa. There, particles move in a different way than here, but they are the same particles. How is it possible? I encourage you to read about the double slit experiment. It can compare to this:
Imagine you hitting a cueball in a pooltable. It crosses the table and hits the opposite border. This is what happens when you are looking at it. But imagine that you hit it without looking at it. In this case, since you're not looking at it, this cueball is in all possible locations on the table at the same time and is still the same ball. Each of the possible locations of the cueball is the point of view of one realm. When the ball is still, in your perspective, rolling on the table, suppose you look at it. Then it is not anymore in all possible locations, correct? Yes, but in your perspective.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


When you mentioned the double slit and moreover theI was thinking of the consequences ofthe experiment with regard to the wave-particle duality observed - It's entirely plausible to think that there are two universes co-existing as a result of wave-particle duality. One universe exhibiting physics based upon 'wave matter' whilst the other exhibits 'particle matter'. Now with regard to this particular subject let's assume that they are both identical with the exception that time moves forward in one, whilst it moves backwards in the other. Equal and opposite, coexisting harmoniously which could fulfil the criteria for entire existence, including time being a part of a single point or singularity as it were kind like what Einstein was referring to. Well, at least in these two theoretical universes.
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So lets spice things up! Did you know that experiments show that the simple fact of IMAGINING the experiment, not actually LOOKING at it, also affects the result? Check it out: [link to www.deanradin.com]
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Now, going foreward:
Remember the rubiks cube example? Well, it is this way, because we are spinning with it in the same way. But our universe is a composition of energy, vibrating in an infinite possible combinations. The one we are, happens to be spinning, lets say: Back to front, left to right and up to down. Imagine this is the frequency that our realm is. But this same universe can also be spinning lets say: Back to front, left to right, but down to up. This is what people will call a "paralel universe". Because of this different spinning, we in this realm, can't see the others in this different spinning realm and vice-versa. There, particles move in a different way than here, but they are the same particles. How is it possible? I encourage you to read about the double slit experiment. It can compare to this:
Imagine you hitting a cueball in a pooltable. It crosses the table and hits the opposite border. This is what happens when you are looking at it. But imagine that you hit it without looking at it. In this case, since you're not looking at it, this cueball is in all possible locations on the table at the same time and is still the same ball. Each of the possible locations of the cueball is the point of view of one realm. When the ball is still, in your perspective, rolling on the table, suppose you look at it. Then it is not anymore in all possible locations, correct? Yes, but in your perspective.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


When you mentioned the double slit and moreover theI was thinking of the consequences ofthe experiment with regard to the wave-particle duality observed - It's entirely plausible to think that there are two universes co-existing as a result of wave-particle duality. One universe exhibiting physics based upon 'wave matter' whilst the other exhibits 'particle matter'. Now with regard to this particular subject let's assume that they are both identical with the exception that time moves forward in one, whilst it moves backwards in the other. Equal and opposite, coexisting harmoniously which could fulfil the criteria for entire existence, including time being a part of a single point or singularity as it were kind like what Einstein was referring to. Well, at least in these two theoretical universes.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


So lets spice things up! Did you know that experiments show that the simple fact of IMAGINING the experiment, not actually LOOKING at it, also affects the result? Check it out: [link to www.deanradin.com]
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Yes some, just downloaded it and had a glance at this paper and it looks deep - "consciousness and the double-slit interference pattern..." Gonna need A LOT of coffee for this I reckon lol. Thank you very much for the link. :)
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coffee4 very interesting indeed...
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coffee4 very interesting indeed...
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If you like this, I invite you to take some more coffee and read the thread in my signature...
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coffee4 very interesting indeed...
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If you like this, I invite you to take some more coffee and read the thread in my signature...
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I shall. Lots and lots and lots of coffee, still sifting through this paper which is fascinating. I will save that for later on. :)
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Yes.

But nowis not time.

It is something else, no..?




Good thread.
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I know what you mean. If you took now as a photograph say, it isn't representative of time per se, but of a moment in time. I remember watching a movie called 'Waking Life' and I think it spoke of an idea that time is we know it is made of an infinite number of photographs or moments and the precession of these moments, one after another is what we think is time. Interesting.
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bump ...any more ideas out there before I need to depart GLP?
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G'night all and thank you for your contributions. Very interesting - particularly the link between reality, quantum mechanics & consciousness.

hf
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Did somebody just give me an E?
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G'night all and thank you for your contributions. Very interesting - particularly the link between reality, quantum mechanics & consciousness.

hf
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Tim the Enchanter!!!
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G'night all and thank you for your contributions. Very interesting - particularly the link between reality, quantum mechanics & consciousness.

hf
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Tim the Enchanter!!!
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I am here!!!
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G'night all and thank you for your contributions. Very interesting - particularly the link between reality, quantum mechanics & consciousness.

hf
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Tim the Enchanter!!!
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I am here!!!
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Good day to you, sire!
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G'night all and thank you for your contributions. Very interesting - particularly the link between reality, quantum mechanics & consciousness.

hf
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Tim the Enchanter!!!
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I am here!!!
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Good day to you, sire!
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And a very good day to you too! I am quite literally about to read your thread. That paper the other was very deep, but a tremendous read btw.
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Tim the Enchanter!!!
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I am here!!!
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Good day to you, sire!
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And a very good day to you too! I am quite literally about to read your thread. That paper the other was very deep, but a tremendous read btw.
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That's cool! I got some more on the subject if you want some more swotting!
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I am here!!!
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Good day to you, sire!
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And a very good day to you too! I am quite literally about to read your thread. That paper the other was very deep, but a tremendous read btw.
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That's cool! I got some more on the subject if you want some more swotting!
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Absolutely! That was a fascinating thread article you posted with regard to the supercomputer - and it does make you wonder, we're very close to realizing a computer having the knowledge database of quite literally everything in the entire universe...and couple that with pure rationality, logical reasoning and unbounded processing power who knows what 'it' would think about or even perhaps dream about. Just...WOW.
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That also reminded me of Philip K Dick's 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' actually - later made into 'Bladerunner'.
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Here's an vague example of how to imagine time. Its all imaginary and abstract so, try to picture it out in your mind:


You're inside a rubiks cube. The top is white, bottom yellow, left blue, right green, back red and front orange. Imagine that the cube its the size of a big city and you are a pea inside of it. Imagine that the cube is rotating in a way that all directions are affected, not only spinning from left to right, but spinning from top to bottom and back to front, all at the same time. You as the pea inside of it are affected by this motion, but since you are very small in relation to the cube, this motion is smooth and sublte for you even thou you feel it. This is the description of the 3D space we live in. Now, to imagine time, imagine that the cube is also moving its location and still spinning in all directions. This is time. Time is our perception of this dislocation of the cube, or the universe. All of this are directly linked to the your point of view, the pea inside the huge cube. Your location inside the cube determines your perception of what you call time. Imagine that you are close to one corner of the cube, spinning and dislocating. Your percetion of time will be different from another pea in an opposite corner of the cube. What it may look "past to present to future" for you, might look as "future to present to past" for this other pea. For you this linear perception of "past to present to future", is just how it is normal, just how things are. But in the point of view of the other pea, its a complete mind boggling puzzle, because on her(the other pea) point of view, the normal is "future to present to past" in comparison to your point of view.
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This right here is some hard-core high-quality GLP thinking.

Outstanding.
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Here's an vague example of how to imagine time. Its all imaginary and abstract so, try to picture it out in your mind:


You're inside a rubiks cube. The top is white, bottom yellow, left blue, right green, back red and front orange. Imagine that the cube its the size of a big city and you are a pea inside of it. Imagine that the cube is rotating in a way that all directions are affected, not only spinning from left to right, but spinning from top to bottom and back to front, all at the same time. You as the pea inside of it are affected by this motion, but since you are very small in relation to the cube, this motion is smooth and sublte for you even thou you feel it. This is the description of the 3D space we live in. Now, to imagine time, imagine that the cube is also moving its location and still spinning in all directions. This is time. Time is our perception of this dislocation of the cube, or the universe. All of this are directly linked to the your point of view, the pea inside the huge cube. Your location inside the cube determines your perception of what you call time. Imagine that you are close to one corner of the cube, spinning and dislocating. Your percetion of time will be different from another pea in an opposite corner of the cube. What it may look "past to present to future" for you, might look as "future to present to past" for this other pea. For you this linear perception of "past to present to future", is just how it is normal, just how things are. But in the point of view of the other pea, its a complete mind boggling puzzle, because on her(the other pea) point of view, the normal is "future to present to past" in comparison to your point of view.
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This right here is some hard-core high-quality GLP thinking.

Outstanding.
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hesright
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Here you go. Some more reading for your delight. The Orch OR theory: [link to www.sciencedirect.com]
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Speaking of Morgan Freeman...



I thought I would post it because it is somewhat relevant to our deliberations and I would like to know if anyone has seen it.

coffee4
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Here you go. Some more reading for your delight. The Orch OR theory: [link to www.sciencedirect.com]
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Thank you very much - time indeed for more coffee. :)
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I started reading this and I thought time could well be a matter of consciousness. After all, when we sleep we couldn't necessarily tell whether 8 minutes or 8 hours has gone by after we wake up. So when we are dreaming - does time really exist at all? And when we enter this dreamscape does that also free us from the 'prison of time'.

Perhaps time is merely a function of consciousness and the rate at which it 'flows' is a function of how 'awake' we are.

Anyway...............

coffee4
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I started reading this and I thought time could well be a matter of consciousness. After all, when we sleep we couldn\'t necessarily tell whether 8 minutes or 8 hours has gone by after we wake up. So when we are dreaming - does time really exist at all? And when we enter this dreamscape does that also free us from the \'prison of time\'.

Perhaps time is merely a function of consciousness and the rate at which it \'flows\' is a function of how \'awake\' we are.

Anyway...............

coffee4
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Absolutely, you are on the right track!
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I started reading this and I thought time could well be a matter of consciousness. After all, when we sleep we couldn\'t necessarily tell whether 8 minutes or 8 hours has gone by after we wake up. So when we are dreaming - does time really exist at all? And when we enter this dreamscape does that also free us from the \'prison of time\'.

Perhaps time is merely a function of consciousness and the rate at which it \'flows\' is a function of how \'awake\' we are.

Anyway...............

coffee4
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Absolutely, you are on the right track!
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Maybe, maybe not it's such a philosophical as well as physical conundrum that I suppose we can discuss/debate it - but whether we reach the right or wrong answers...only time will ever tell (or not as the case may be.)
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Which movie is this?





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