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If the past, present, and future occur simultaneously then why do we experience second after second passing us?

Same with people saying time is an illusion. If it is an illusion, second after second passing us is undeniable.
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If the ability to time travel is ever invented, then it already has been.
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If the past, present, and future occur simultaneously then why do we experience second after second passing us?

Same with people saying time is an illusion. If it is an illusion, second after second passing us is undeniable.
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I posted above that i could slow myself down, from the billions of frames per second to a more then a few, sitting motionless counting while the second pointer on the clock was NOT moving.(it normaly flows, not ticks) Best record is of 5 seconds.
The idea is that you're not obligated to go to other frames, we're having it as 2nd nature to do so, but we got used to it and do no question or try to bend.
And we got used to making them liniar also, you can jump to other time lines aswell, as a guy from a parallel universe said.
The idea, and this if or Tim, is that when you go back in time you're actually taking the vibration that you have now and imposing the time there to be as you are. Thats why you first need to learn by going for example not directly 1000 years back but start with 20 then 50 then 150, or at what pace you're confortable to "upgrading yourself" to the new intel.
Or you could learn about them(that period), lets say you want to go in the year 1000, you learn about the culture between 800-1200 so you don't go as a super human, but tune yourself to be like them.
And ofcourse you can also be as an observer, but this is different from actual frame traveling.
(This learning is made in symulations, that we'll learn to project as individuals or via machine, depends on future work)

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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right.

It's possible that time is an illusion...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Excellent. Thanks for starting this thread. Time is a fascinating subject and I think that you are on the right track in questioning the existence or reality of what we call "time".

I believe that time is a name which we assign(our minds) to the process by which we make some linear sense of change. But change is occurring at a level of complexity that we cannot even imagine.

Think of it this way. Every state of every elementary particle, every microstate, every spin of every electron, the position of every atom and molecule relative to one another in the entire universe make up what can be thought of as an enormous state machine. The macrostate is changing continuously, and one state to the next cannot be measured in any dimension of what we call "time".

Every real physical property of the universe has a quantum.

What is the quantum of time? There is none. Any element of time can be divided infinitely. Therefore it is pure abstraction.
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if you can accelerate a particle to 100% the speed of light it would be in suspended animation
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right.

It's possible that time is an illusion...
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"Time" is an illusion created by consciousness.
This analogy will clarify:
In a film projector, the individual frames of the film are shown in a rapid steady sequence - one frame at a time.   This rapid steady sequence of STILL frames creates the ILLUSION of flowing time. But in truth, all the actual frames that are used all exist simultaneously.    There is the illusion of "time" only when the film projector displays those frames - one frame at a time - in a rapid steady sequence. Yet, ALL those frames exist simultaneously. In fact the projectionist can take out the roll of film, spread it out on the floor and view all those frames at the same time.
In a similar manner, our consciousness "projects" individual "still frames of reality" in a steady and extremely rapid sequence.We do this BILLIONS of times per second - thus creating the ILLUSION of the steady flow of TIME. Each of these individual "still frames of reality" contains absolutely NO MOTION whatsoever! It is a frozen snapshot - perfectly still.   And yet, by sequencing these still frames at a steady very-fast rate, we have the ILLUSION of time - the flow of time.
Our earthly consciousness functions like the film projector,which views these still frames only in a rapid steady sequence.
Our Higher Self  functions like the film projectionist,  who can take out the roll of film and view ALL the frames simultaneously.   Our Higher Self functions in a timeless eternal-NOW zone.
Therefore, all time is truly NOW. Your past lives are occurring right NOW. Your future lives are occurring right NOW. All time periods are co-existing right NOW.  The concept of "reincarnation" is not quite as accurate as "simultaneous multiple incarnations".
Normally, the "reality-frames" that we view in rapid sequence are related and similar. Hence the ILLUSION of continuity.
Continuity is an ILLUSION since one is not obligated to go from one frame to another frame that is almost the same.  (The "normal" flow of time.)   It is possible to "hop" to a totally-different frame in this infinite universe.  And this would be what is normally referred to as "Time Travel".

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Time is an irreversible sequence of events as measured by periodic phenomenon, namely the transit of the sun, the moon, the stars, the periodic decay of Cesium 133.

Phenomenon means "something that can be observed."

Let me hold you underwater. If you think you can stop time then you won't mind me holding you down until you stop squirming.
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if you can accelerate a particle to 100% the speed of light it would be in suspended animation
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Yes, because it would mean the light is already there, and would be no need for a "light starter"
By that understanding, why is there need of reason thats more of a symbolistic metter then a manifestation one
I know that light can be spontaniously manifested, so goes to more "normal way of how things should operate", does this mean that the collective agreements are changing? It looks like it.
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Thought you might like this, OP. Also, have you ever read Einstein's Dreams, by Alan Lightman? That book changed my concept of time more than any other.

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if you can accelerate a particle to 100% the speed of light it would be in suspended animation
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Yes, because it would mean the light is already there, and would be no need for a "light starter"
By that understanding, why is there need of reason thats more of a symbolistic metter then a manifestation one
I know that light can be spontaniously manifested, so goes to more "normal way of how things should operate", does this mean that the collective agreements are changing? It looks like it.
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Yes, suspended in it's own time.

Sure does.
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Energy required to create one second:
3.62851E+52 joules
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Energy required to create one second:
3.62851E+52 joules
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Lex, how much is that in volts?
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If the past, present, and future occur simultaneously then why do we experience second after second passing us?

Same with people saying time is an illusion. If it is an illusion, second after second passing us is undeniable.
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Time is an illusion in the sense that past, present and future are separate from each other.

The experience of linear time is literally the meaning of life.
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Time is not 1 Dimensional. If you are a Relativity fan and into time and black holes; check this guys page out, he more or less sets General Relativity into it's proper three dimensional aspect. The other really cool stuff he's got is a bunch of Higgs Boson predictions that turned out to be accurate and if you know the basis of Vortex Based 'Math' there are some pretty startling things brought in that show a great parallel to the melanomas readings we got from CERN on the Higgs last year and the 3,6,9 aspect of Vector Math and how that releates to time, temperature, and states of matter.

As far as I know his is the only 'crack pot' theory that CERN has spent actual time investigating.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's a quick Break down on the Higgs Story:




Here's most of the Story - yes it's long - yes it's worth it.


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It's possible that time is an illusion


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I recently read someone describe time as an illusion caused by the collapse of possibilities.

I think that's an accurate description.

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It's possible that time is an illusion


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Time is not the illusion. Time absolutely exists. This is shown in biology through structure in Phi, through the doubling effect in mitosis, pulsars in deep space, and the natural cycles.

These things have timing, patterns, and repetition, and dynamic variability. That is time, that is nature showing you time. Linear time is the illusion, your personal concept of time is the illusion, not the action of energy and frequency that structures matter.

Time and Frequency are very definable concepts, your perception of the passage of time in a linear existence is the illusion.
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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I
You are pretty much right on the money here.

You see there is a giant 3D conveyor belt outside this dimension. Time is projected onto the conveyor belt and the conveyor belt turns and paves the current scene into place.

The conveyor belts speed of rotation is exactly the same as the speed of time. Thus the past has already been paved and stored somewhere in this outside dimension kinda like an old school tape. And the future is visible due to it being the next thing that will be paved on the tape. So yes everything you do in life is recorded. We are all just information being projected into a 3d scene.
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Energy required to create one second:
3.62851E+52 joules
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Lex, how much is that in volts?
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I'll tell you tomorrow when I'm back at work. I can't do the calculation manually.
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Due to neural delay, everything we perceive is past.

The present is an order our imagination imposes on our perceptions, and the notion of a future is pure imagination.
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Enjoy the show. Children look upon it with awe!!!
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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neutrinos... learn about them...
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Some wonderful contributions. I lost internet last night, apologies for not being around for the ensuing debate. But truly great additions all.

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if you can accelerate a particle to 100% the speed of light it would be in suspended animation
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Yes, it is a very curious property indeed.
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right.

It's possible that time is an illusion...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Excellent. Thanks for starting this thread. Time is a fascinating subject and I think that you are on the right track in questioning the existence or reality of what we call "time".

I believe that time is a name which we assign(our minds) to the process by which we make some linear sense of change. But change is occurring at a level of complexity that we cannot even imagine.

Think of it this way. Every state of every elementary particle, every microstate, every spin of every electron, the position of every atom and molecule relative to one another in the entire universe make up what can be thought of as an enormous state machine. The macrostate is changing continuously, and one state to the next cannot be measured in any dimension of what we call "time".

Every real physical property of the universe has a quantum.

What is the quantum of time? There is none. Any element of time can be divided infinitely. Therefore it is pure abstraction.
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Thank you and you're right, time appears to be continous, even beyond the 'planck time'.
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Time is not 1 Dimensional. If you are a Relativity fan and into time and black holes; check this guys page out, he more or less sets General Relativity into it's proper three dimensional aspect. The other really cool stuff he's got is a bunch of Higgs Boson predictions that turned out to be accurate and if you know the basis of Vortex Based 'Math' there are some pretty startling things brought in that show a great parallel to the melanomas readings we got from CERN on the Higgs last year and the 3,6,9 aspect of Vector Math and how that releates to time, temperature, and states of matter.

As far as I know his is the only 'crack pot' theory that CERN has spent actual time investigating.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's a quick Break down on the Higgs Story:




Here's most of the Story - yes it's long - yes it's worth it.


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Thought you might like this, OP. Also, have you ever read Einstein's Dreams, by Alan Lightman? That book changed my concept of time more than any other.


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I have added these to my growing playlist for later thank you very much.
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right.

It's possible that time is an illusion...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave




"Time" is an illusion created by consciousness.
This analogy will clarify:
In a film projector, the individual frames of the film are shown in a rapid steady sequence - one frame at a time.   This rapid steady sequence of STILL frames creates the ILLUSION of flowing time. But in truth, all the actual frames that are used all exist simultaneously.    There is the illusion of "time" only when the film projector displays those frames - one frame at a time - in a rapid steady sequence. Yet, ALL those frames exist simultaneously. In fact the projectionist can take out the roll of film, spread it out on the floor and view all those frames at the same time.
In a similar manner, our consciousness "projects" individual "still frames of reality" in a steady and extremely rapid sequence.We do this BILLIONS of times per second - thus creating the ILLUSION of the steady flow of TIME. Each of these individual "still frames of reality" contains absolutely NO MOTION whatsoever! It is a frozen snapshot - perfectly still.   And yet, by sequencing these still frames at a steady very-fast rate, we have the ILLUSION of time - the flow of time.
Our earthly consciousness functions like the film projector,which views these still frames only in a rapid steady sequence.
Our Higher Self  functions like the film projectionist,  who can take out the roll of film and view ALL the frames simultaneously.   Our Higher Self functions in a timeless eternal-NOW zone.
Therefore, all time is truly NOW. Your past lives are occurring right NOW. Your future lives are occurring right NOW. All time periods are co-existing right NOW.  The concept of "reincarnation" is not quite as accurate as "simultaneous multiple incarnations".
Normally, the "reality-frames" that we view in rapid sequence are related and similar. Hence the ILLUSION of continuity.
Continuity is an ILLUSION since one is not obligated to go from one frame to another frame that is almost the same.  (The "normal" flow of time.)   It is possible to "hop" to a totally-different frame in this infinite universe.  And this would be what is normally referred to as "Time Travel".
 Quoting: Nelu


I agree - our perception of reality may well be an 'animated form of suspended animation'. Quite like a projector and the illusion of continuity. We can't be sure whether time is discrete or continuous, but that is a highly plausible possibility.
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Very interesting, you have reminded me about another 'loosely connected' idea to this that I had last week in my earlier thread. I am still not sure whether or not there is anything to it, but whether we are right or wrong about ideas and theories it's always good to discuss things. Especially this subject.

And I quote myself from last week:

I was watching the 'We Are From The Future' video the other day because somebody posted it on here and it got me into thinking, maybe they are from the future or maybe not - but one thing is for certain, human civilization needs to make a leap forward and quickly before warand all the other negativity in our world destroys any chances we have of advancing and realizing our full potential in the universe.

In mathematics there are a series of mathematical proofs that can be done in order to prove an algebraic expression is true for all numbers. One of thse is called a 'mathematical proof by induction' whereby you assume A for example in order to prove B, and by proving B you are also proving A - which, of course, no longer becomes an assumption but is proved to be so. In short if you assume something is correct, then you can prove it as well - not always, but sometimes.

Now if we take time travel, for instance. If we assume it is possible, can we not make it possible by proving it is possible if it is possible?

We can't simply use a mathematical induction method but to try to attempt to take the idea into the physical world - maybe we can deliberately create a paradox in order to make the advance we need. So we can start by assuming something exists in the future, then proving it must exist to be so in the present (and the past if necessary) - and therefore proving that it must also exist in the future.

We have all seen science fiction movies and they imaginatively depict how life could be, but if we assume that we are visited by somebody from the future and try to establish what they would advise us by using logic, reasoning and our imaginations thereby attempting to deliberately create the paradox that we are visited by somebody in the future - could that actually help us to leap forward to the next level in our civilization?

I will be away for a little while but I would like to discuss this and other ideas with like-minded people you more upon my return. Looking back this is actually quite nonsensical but I like this place for accepting everyone's thoughts.

Peace, love & happiness.
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Taken from: Thread: Interesting idea (or maybe not actually) with regard to mathematical induction and paradoxes.

I wasn't quite sure whether or not mathematics could be used for such a thing but then I realized that in an infinite reality, which is a reasonable assumption to make for the purposes of our deliberations - then it must already have been done, like you say with time travel.

Hmmm time for a coffee.

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