Time.

TimeSpace continuum.

Yes.

Look into Zurvanism.

Ive liked the idea that time isn't linear. its more like concentric circles, like ripples, the past is contained within the present, the present is contained within the future.

Ive always had a hard time wrapping my head around the concept of time. for other people it seems so easy lol

I shall.



It is a very difficult concept to grasp - especially when you think of the possibility that it may exist in more than a single dimension as we perceive it to be.

We only see time as a 'single arrow', because we think sequentially. It's imaginary. Time doesn't actually exist, because it's all there simultaneously.

Which came first - chicken or egg? Neither. The answer is 'both' and 'neither' - which makes no sense but must be so.

Neither Time nor Space is linear: the Event Horizont

Zurvanism - very interesting. The God of infinite time...perhaps the Sasanian Empire knew more than we do about the concept of time.



Interesting point. Kind of like Schrödinger's cat except time is in the box and not the cat. Hmmm.



Are you suggesting that we could be inside an event horizon?

Sure. Do you know the Event beginning all else?

Are you referring to the 'Big Bang'?

Close.

I am reffering to the point TimeSpace contunuum began.

I see. If time were to exist within an event horizon, it would have had to have began as a singularity and remain as such. In effect what Einstein said would be true in this instance, in which case all time would exist as a single point...or, all points on an arc drawing an event horzion around a singularity.

You are good! Now do you know the Event, what is it that starts time space to appear?

No. Well, I need a VERY strong coffee. Do you know the event?

The Witness

Here's an vague example of how to imagine time. Its all imaginary and abstract so, try to picture it out in your mind:


You're inside a rubiks cube. The top is white, bottom yellow, left blue, right green, back red and front orange. Imagine that the cube its the size of a big city and you are a pea inside of it. Imagine that the cube is rotating in a way that all directions are affected, not only spinning from left to right, but spinning from top to bottom and back to front, all at the same time. You as the pea inside of it are affected by this motion, but since you are very small in relation to the cube, this motion is smooth and sublte for you even thou you feel it. This is the description of the 3D space we live in. Now, to imagine time, imagine that the cube is also moving its location and still spinning in all directions. This is time. Time is our perception of this dislocation of the cube, or the universe. All of this are directly linked to the your point of view, the pea inside the huge cube. Your location inside the cube determines your perception of what you call time. Imagine that you are close to one corner of the cube, spinning and dislocating. Your percetion of time will be different from another pea in an opposite corner of the cube. What it may look "past to present to future" for you, might look as "future to present to past" for this other pea. For you this linear perception of "past to present to future", is just how it is normal, just how things are. But in the point of view of the other pea, its a complete mind boggling puzzle, because on her(the other pea) point of view, the normal is "future to present to past" in comparison to your point of view.

True, its like our 2nd nature to shift
Where do you have this information from?

The same source letting you know I am right.

Very good and thought-provoking post. It's certainly not beyond the scope of physics to imagine a parallel universe exists in which time runs backward. Of course, in such a world it would be very difficult to win the lottery.

Please elaborate...

It would go backwards but you'd percive it as we percive this one, as liniar or multidimensional.

True, it would appear normal and we wouldn't question its linearity or multidimensionality at all. Perceiving such a reality from the outside though is extremely difficult to imagine.

BINGO! Backwards in our point of view, but forewards to theirs.

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Our perceptions lie to us. The universe appears static in terms of physical objects. In fact matter is not static, it is emergent, renewed again and again at every 'moment'. Time therefore is a measure of the 'rate of emergence' of creation, not an independent linear flow lumped together as a dimension in spacetime. The big bang never stopped - it is happening all around us, over and over again. The property of emergence can be seen in the spiral force of nature, which is present everywhere.

Now, going foreward:
Remember the rubiks cube example? Well, it is this way, because we are spinning with it in the same way. But our universe is a composition of energy, vibrating in an infinite possible combinations. The one we are, happens to be spinning, lets say: Back to front, left to right and up to down. Imagine this is the frequency that our realm is. But this same universe can also be spinning lets say: Back to front, left to right, but down to up. This is what people will call a "paralel universe". Because of this different spinning, we in this realm, can't see the others in this different spinning realm and vice-versa. There, particles move in a different way than here, but they are the same particles. How is it possible? I encourage you to read about the double slit experiment. It can compare to this:
Imagine you hitting a cueball in a pooltable. It crosses the table and hits the opposite border. This is what happens when you are looking at it. But imagine that you hit it without looking at it. In this case, since you're not looking at it, this cueball is in all possible locations on the table at the same time and is still the same ball. Each of the possible locations of the cueball is the point of view of one realm. When the ball is still, in your perspective, rolling on the table, suppose you look at it. Then it is not anymore in all possible locations, correct? Yes, but in your perspective.

TimeSpaceConsciousness continuum.

Greg Braden actually wrote an awesome book called fractal time...you all would do well to check it out. He kinda reminds me of Maynard James Keenan for some reason but that isn't really my point...

MTU's example is fucking awesome! Opie posted a monster...

Time is an illusion of movement through 3-D space. That is the TL;DR of what MTU is trying to say but he gives you the nuts and bolts which is where most people give up on the illusion.

Time is reactionary, Time is bendable, Time can be stretched and turned in on itself or looped and altered to form spirals...Time is a construct of consciousness. Time, like an atom, will change its behavior depending on the observer and his location in spacetime. (maybe if people stopped calling spacetime, space it would be more obvious, no?)

Its like the tree falling in the woods...Does it make a sound if no one heears it? This question is an Onion. And if you keep peeling back the layers you realize that certain things are dependent on conscious observation/participation to actually be found in time and conceived...this is the hologram...we are being projected into 3D space from the singularity...from a black-hole and in true fractal form...this process just keeps repeating...we are simply on a given level of the fractal...go far enough, quick enough and things will appear to have time travelled but only you moved...

We can assume all of the above because Time is Space. Time is a baby realizing that the face in the mirror is its own...

You miss the fact that we contract and expand, and that there are no secrets, everything is accesable by anything.
And you're talking about the base particle, thats everything at once.

Yes.

But nowis not time.

It is something else, no..?




Good thread.