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Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brav​e  (OP)

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"What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know." - Saint Augustine
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How about soul time?
That consists of alignment with it from where you obtain higher
excitment and that helps you create in a more prepared way.
 Quoting: Nelu


Soul time? Please elaborate. :)

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Before you got here you wrote a blueprint of all possible experiences you can have, lets call that your template of reality. Everyone did so, so there is a collective template that consists of agreements and relationships[by relationships i mean conections of any kind].
You have an individual automatic mind set to trigger when certain experiences occour so you're put on the path of fulfilling your theme/themes of exploration.
When you do those types of activities you're going with the soul flow, thats when the automatic collective mind can brake down, even gravity.
 Quoting: Nelu


I see what you mean. We are certainly destined to have an infinite number of possible experiences with such a blueprint. The question still remains, is this destination a 'predestination'. Do we have the choice to walk the path and fulfil this blueprint by our own accord or are our choices really just decisions that were already made? Free will as you will, a highly contested debate ensues with that argument.

Also, with regard to time - such a blueprint would also allow or more to the point require time in order for the blueprint to be achieved and the path followed - but if we are indeed of an already written blueprint, would time exist just for this purpose - in which case, is time itself a predestined blueprint? ...in other words still, is time a quantity that has been delibertaely made for such a purpose? Hmmm.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Wanna re'open the subject with yes, time is created so we can experience ourselfs.
And to say that in the blueprint you might have all possible outcomes already written, but there are road/roads that synchronices with the infinite design.[this just in from..lets say family]
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Soul time? Please elaborate. :)

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Before you got here you wrote a blueprint of all possible experiences you can have, lets call that your template of reality. Everyone did so, so there is a collective template that consists of agreements and relationships[by relationships i mean conections of any kind].
You have an individual automatic mind set to trigger when certain experiences occour so you're put on the path of fulfilling your theme/themes of exploration.
When you do those types of activities you're going with the soul flow, thats when the automatic collective mind can brake down, even gravity.
 Quoting: Nelu


I see what you mean. We are certainly destined to have an infinite number of possible experiences with such a blueprint. The question still remains, is this destination a 'predestination'. Do we have the choice to walk the path and fulfil this blueprint by our own accord or are our choices really just decisions that were already made? Free will as you will, a highly contested debate ensues with that argument.

Also, with regard to time - such a blueprint would also allow or more to the point require time in order for the blueprint to be achieved and the path followed - but if we are indeed of an already written blueprint, would time exist just for this purpose - in which case, is time itself a predestined blueprint? ...in other words still, is time a quantity that has been delibertaely made for such a purpose? Hmmm.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Wanna re'open the subject with yes, time is created so we can experience ourselfs.
And to say that in the blueprint you might have all possible outcomes already written, but there are road/roads that synchronices with the infinite design.[this just in from..lets say family]
 Quoting: Nelu


Sure we can. :)

I am delighted you mentioned that because I have had an interesting idea paralleling this.

So time has been created in order to allow for this blueprint with which to map our way through our own reality. Whether or not this blueprint is in fact predestined - it is a possibility that within an infinite reality, our choices have already been made somewhere across the universe and we are 'destined' to repeat them if we decide to make the choices again - without realizing it. Like you say, there are even roads leading off from this infinite design. In other words, even if we have free will - it is possible that every decision we are destined to make has already been made elsewhere and/or indeed elsewhen in the universe or beyond.

Let me give an example.

Let's say that there is an Earth-like world across the universe say a billion years ago. And, considering the infinite possibilities that are contained within the constraints (or the lack there of) in an infinite reality then it's perfectly reasonableto assume the possibility that there were two people having the exact same conversation we are having right now. They too, had free will to decide what to do next, as we do. However, because they already did this before, the map exists. And, predestined or not, our destiny has already been written. given infinity, there may be an infinite number of these Earth-like worlds, with every conceivable choice and consequence having already been made.

In other words still, it is possible, again within the constraints of an infinite reality and universe to have both free will and predestiny coexist.

Of course, the existence of time also allows for this, being as we deem...infinite as well.
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Before you got here you wrote a blueprint of all possible experiences you can have, lets call that your template of reality. Everyone did so, so there is a collective template that consists of agreements and relationships[by relationships i mean conections of any kind].
You have an individual automatic mind set to trigger when certain experiences occour so you're put on the path of fulfilling your theme/themes of exploration.
When you do those types of activities you're going with the soul flow, thats when the automatic collective mind can brake down, even gravity.
 Quoting: Nelu


I see what you mean. We are certainly destined to have an infinite number of possible experiences with such a blueprint. The question still remains, is this destination a 'predestination'. Do we have the choice to walk the path and fulfil this blueprint by our own accord or are our choices really just decisions that were already made? Free will as you will, a highly contested debate ensues with that argument.

Also, with regard to time - such a blueprint would also allow or more to the point require time in order for the blueprint to be achieved and the path followed - but if we are indeed of an already written blueprint, would time exist just for this purpose - in which case, is time itself a predestined blueprint? ...in other words still, is time a quantity that has been delibertaely made for such a purpose? Hmmm.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Wanna re'open the subject with yes, time is created so we can experience ourselfs.
And to say that in the blueprint you might have all possible outcomes already written, but there are road/roads that synchronices with the infinite design.[this just in from..lets say family]
 Quoting: Nelu


Sure we can. :)

I am delighted you mentioned that because I have had an interesting idea paralleling this.

So time has been created in order to allow for this blueprint with which to map our way through our own reality. Whether or not this blueprint is in fact predestined - it is a possibility that within an infinite reality, our choices have already been made somewhere across the universe and we are 'destined' to repeat them if we decide to make the choices again - without realizing it. Like you say, there are even roads leading off from this infinite design. In other words, even if we have free will - it is possible that every decision we are destined to make has already been made elsewhere and/or indeed elsewhen in the universe or beyond.

Let me give an example.

Let's say that there is an Earth-like world across the universe say a billion years ago. And, considering the infinite possibilities that are contained within the constraints (or the lack there of) in an infinite reality then it's perfectly reasonableto assume the possibility that there were two people having the exact same conversation we are having right now. They too, had free will to decide what to do next, as we do. However, because they already did this before, the map exists. And, predestined or not, our destiny has already been written. given infinity, there may be an infinite number of these Earth-like worlds, with every conceivable choice and consequence having already been made.

In other words still, it is possible, again within the constraints of an infinite reality and universe to have both free will and predestiny coexist.

Of course, the existence of time also allows for this, being as we deem...infinite as well.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave



Just as a radio must first vibrate at a particular frequency in order to "receive" the one particular broadcast (from all of the possible simultaneous broadcasts) that happens to be vibrating at that same frequency, likewise...
Each belief gets you vibrating at a unique set of frequencies.
These frequencies then attract, by sympathetic resonance,those holograms vibrating on the same frequencies.
That is, out of the "background" universal matrix of infinite possible holograms, those holograms and symbols that synchronistically vibrate at the same frequencies as the frequencies of your belief, get "pulled out" from this matrix and "received" by you as the actual "external physical experiences" that you then sense as "real" - that you sense as "objective reality".
So each belief is a unique set of frequencies which is a template that determines which holograms you attract into your experience.
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A major outstanding problem is that most quantum field theories predict a huge cosmological constant from the energy of the quantum vacuum, more than 100 orders of magnitude too large. If energy and time are linked on a fundamental level this problem goes away. e=mc2 is not complete,with out time.Quantum mechanics and general relativity would both work,at the same time,because if time.
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I see what you mean. We are certainly destined to have an infinite number of possible experiences with such a blueprint. The question still remains, is this destination a 'predestination'. Do we have the choice to walk the path and fulfil this blueprint by our own accord or are our choices really just decisions that were already made? Free will as you will, a highly contested debate ensues with that argument.

Also, with regard to time - such a blueprint would also allow or more to the point require time in order for the blueprint to be achieved and the path followed - but if we are indeed of an already written blueprint, would time exist just for this purpose - in which case, is time itself a predestined blueprint? ...in other words still, is time a quantity that has been delibertaely made for such a purpose? Hmmm.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Wanna re'open the subject with yes, time is created so we can experience ourselfs.
And to say that in the blueprint you might have all possible outcomes already written, but there are road/roads that synchronices with the infinite design.[this just in from..lets say family]
 Quoting: Nelu


Sure we can. :)

I am delighted you mentioned that because I have had an interesting idea paralleling this.

So time has been created in order to allow for this blueprint with which to map our way through our own reality. Whether or not this blueprint is in fact predestined - it is a possibility that within an infinite reality, our choices have already been made somewhere across the universe and we are 'destined' to repeat them if we decide to make the choices again - without realizing it. Like you say, there are even roads leading off from this infinite design. In other words, even if we have free will - it is possible that every decision we are destined to make has already been made elsewhere and/or indeed elsewhen in the universe or beyond.

Let me give an example.

Let's say that there is an Earth-like world across the universe say a billion years ago. And, considering the infinite possibilities that are contained within the constraints (or the lack there of) in an infinite reality then it's perfectly reasonableto assume the possibility that there were two people having the exact same conversation we are having right now. They too, had free will to decide what to do next, as we do. However, because they already did this before, the map exists. And, predestined or not, our destiny has already been written. given infinity, there may be an infinite number of these Earth-like worlds, with every conceivable choice and consequence having already been made.

In other words still, it is possible, again within the constraints of an infinite reality and universe to have both free will and predestiny coexist.

Of course, the existence of time also allows for this, being as we deem...infinite as well.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave



Just as a radio must first vibrate at a particular frequency in order to "receive" the one particular broadcast (from all of the possible simultaneous broadcasts) that happens to be vibrating at that same frequency, likewise...
Each belief gets you vibrating at a unique set of frequencies.
These frequencies then attract, by sympathetic resonance,those holograms vibrating on the same frequencies.
That is, out of the "background" universal matrix of infinite possible holograms, those holograms and symbols that synchronistically vibrate at the same frequencies as the frequencies of your belief, get "pulled out" from this matrix and "received" by you as the actual "external physical experiences" that you then sense as "real" - that you sense as "objective reality".
So each belief is a unique set of frequencies which is a template that determines which holograms you attract into your experience.
 Quoting: Nelu


That was a good analogy with the radio.

I do wonder whether we get an overview of this "objective reality" when we dream. As if we surf all the other possible "holographic realities" not only here but anywhere in the universe. I barely remember my dreams these days unlike my childhood but whenever I do it's like wow...

I think that it is entirely possible that every choice that we can make has to have been made elsewhere; that said, we do have free will - but whatever choice we make already exists and I suppose we could be drawn to such decisions like you say "pulled out" from the matrix...

Seeing that coffee drinking emoticon has made me think about having another coffee. The question is, did this decision already take place elsewhere, and I am lead to making a coffee, or would I have already made a coffee?

An example of the local perpetuality of time...

coffee4
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A major outstanding problem is that most quantum field theories predict a huge cosmological constant from the energy of the quantum vacuum, more than 100 orders of magnitude too large. If energy and time are linked on a fundamental level this problem goes away. e=mc2 is not complete,with out time.Quantum mechanics and general relativity would both work,at the same time,because if time.
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Time is an Illusion created by consciousness.
Continuity is an Illusion since one is not obligated to go from one frame to another frame that is almost the same.(The "normal" flow of time.)  
It is possible to "hop" to a totally-different frame in this infinite universe.   And this would be what is normally referred to as "Time Travel".
When i was in school i would watch the clock go second by second, and i would focus myself in the now and i would count how long does it take to flow to the next second. Yes, flow, it was not ticking, it was moving slowly. My record is 5 seconds of non motion of the seconder thingy. I would have tried this more, i be i could achive a higher ammount but the school came into complicion and it was need for quieting the mind to do so.
Din't find any clock like that one, thinking of going back and steal it so i can try this trick more.

Also the projectionist of your experience is the higher mind, getting the que from your beliefs, but remember it is also you so you can form a kewl team like experience to " cheat " the metrix with permision slips that you find.

An alien said that we pass thru billions of parallel frames, so this seems "abusable".
I have examples, but i suggest you create beliefs for yourself and experience. Have no expectation though.. life will always make it better.
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A major outstanding problem is that most quantum field theories predict a huge cosmological constant from the energy of the quantum vacuum, more than 100 orders of magnitude too large. If energy and time are linked on a fundamental level this problem goes away. e=mc2 is not complete,with out time.Quantum mechanics and general relativity would both work,at the same time,because if time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41779542


Time is an Illusion created by consciousness.
Continuity is an Illusion since one is not obligated to go from one frame to another frame that is almost the same.(The "normal" flow of time.)  
It is possible to "hop" to a totally-different frame in this infinite universe.   And this would be what is normally referred to as "Time Travel".
When i was in school i would watch the clock go second by second, and i would focus myself in the now and i would count how long does it take to flow to the next second. Yes, flow, it was not ticking, it was moving slowly. My record is 5 seconds of non motion of the seconder thingy. I would have tried this more, i be i could achive a higher ammount but the school came into complicion and it was need for quieting the mind to do so.
Din't find any clock like that one, thinking of going back and steal it so i can try this trick more.

Also the projectionist of your experience is the higher mind, getting the que from your beliefs, but remember it is also you so you can form a kewl team like experience to " cheat " the metrix with permision slips that you find.

An alien said that we pass thru billions of parallel frames, so this seems "abusable".
I have examples, but i suggest you create beliefs for yourself and experience. Have no expectation though.. life will always make it better.
 Quoting: Nelu


Beliefs are like this
Belief - > Perception of it -> Interpretation(positive/negative) -> Emotional reaction(mainly taking the que from the interpreetation) -> Thought -> Action

Positive interpretation gives you a positive experience as outcome
So when you stumble on something take it slow, and if you already have unwanted beliefs, ask yourself what are they and you'll stumble upon for change.

Check the talks we had regarding soul time.
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Wanna re'open the subject with yes, time is created so we can experience ourselfs.
And to say that in the blueprint you might have all possible outcomes already written, but there are road/roads that synchronices with the infinite design.[this just in from..lets say family]
 Quoting: Nelu


Sure we can. :)

I am delighted you mentioned that because I have had an interesting idea paralleling this.

So time has been created in order to allow for this blueprint with which to map our way through our own reality. Whether or not this blueprint is in fact predestined - it is a possibility that within an infinite reality, our choices have already been made somewhere across the universe and we are 'destined' to repeat them if we decide to make the choices again - without realizing it. Like you say, there are even roads leading off from this infinite design. In other words, even if we have free will - it is possible that every decision we are destined to make has already been made elsewhere and/or indeed elsewhen in the universe or beyond.

Let me give an example.

Let's say that there is an Earth-like world across the universe say a billion years ago. And, considering the infinite possibilities that are contained within the constraints (or the lack there of) in an infinite reality then it's perfectly reasonableto assume the possibility that there were two people having the exact same conversation we are having right now. They too, had free will to decide what to do next, as we do. However, because they already did this before, the map exists. And, predestined or not, our destiny has already been written. given infinity, there may be an infinite number of these Earth-like worlds, with every conceivable choice and consequence having already been made.

In other words still, it is possible, again within the constraints of an infinite reality and universe to have both free will and predestiny coexist.

Of course, the existence of time also allows for this, being as we deem...infinite as well.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave



Just as a radio must first vibrate at a particular frequency in order to "receive" the one particular broadcast (from all of the possible simultaneous broadcasts) that happens to be vibrating at that same frequency, likewise...
Each belief gets you vibrating at a unique set of frequencies.
These frequencies then attract, by sympathetic resonance,those holograms vibrating on the same frequencies.
That is, out of the "background" universal matrix of infinite possible holograms, those holograms and symbols that synchronistically vibrate at the same frequencies as the frequencies of your belief, get "pulled out" from this matrix and "received" by you as the actual "external physical experiences" that you then sense as "real" - that you sense as "objective reality".
So each belief is a unique set of frequencies which is a template that determines which holograms you attract into your experience.
 Quoting: Nelu


That was a good analogy with the radio.

I do wonder whether we get an overview of this "objective reality" when we dream. As if we surf all the other possible "holographic realities" not only here but anywhere in the universe. I barely remember my dreams these days unlike my childhood but whenever I do it's like wow...

I think that it is entirely possible that every choice that we can make has to have been made elsewhere; that said, we do have free will - but whatever choice we make already exists and I suppose we could be drawn to such decisions like you say "pulled out" from the matrix...

Seeing that coffee drinking emoticon has made me think about having another coffee. The question is, did this decision already take place elsewhere, and I am lead to making a coffee, or would I have already made a coffee?

An example of the local perpetuality of time...

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Now if you want coffe, you go and make coffe, why not skip the "making of the house" and start "living in it"
This sounds like soul power, but from what i herd and know is that its possible to bring heaven down on earth.
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Sure we can. :)

I am delighted you mentioned that because I have had an interesting idea paralleling this.

So time has been created in order to allow for this blueprint with which to map our way through our own reality. Whether or not this blueprint is in fact predestined - it is a possibility that within an infinite reality, our choices have already been made somewhere across the universe and we are 'destined' to repeat them if we decide to make the choices again - without realizing it. Like you say, there are even roads leading off from this infinite design. In other words, even if we have free will - it is possible that every decision we are destined to make has already been made elsewhere and/or indeed elsewhen in the universe or beyond.

Let me give an example.

Let's say that there is an Earth-like world across the universe say a billion years ago. And, considering the infinite possibilities that are contained within the constraints (or the lack there of) in an infinite reality then it's perfectly reasonableto assume the possibility that there were two people having the exact same conversation we are having right now. They too, had free will to decide what to do next, as we do. However, because they already did this before, the map exists. And, predestined or not, our destiny has already been written. given infinity, there may be an infinite number of these Earth-like worlds, with every conceivable choice and consequence having already been made.

In other words still, it is possible, again within the constraints of an infinite reality and universe to have both free will and predestiny coexist.

Of course, the existence of time also allows for this, being as we deem...infinite as well.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave



Just as a radio must first vibrate at a particular frequency in order to "receive" the one particular broadcast (from all of the possible simultaneous broadcasts) that happens to be vibrating at that same frequency, likewise...
Each belief gets you vibrating at a unique set of frequencies.
These frequencies then attract, by sympathetic resonance,those holograms vibrating on the same frequencies.
That is, out of the "background" universal matrix of infinite possible holograms, those holograms and symbols that synchronistically vibrate at the same frequencies as the frequencies of your belief, get "pulled out" from this matrix and "received" by you as the actual "external physical experiences" that you then sense as "real" - that you sense as "objective reality".
So each belief is a unique set of frequencies which is a template that determines which holograms you attract into your experience.
 Quoting: Nelu


That was a good analogy with the radio.

I do wonder whether we get an overview of this "objective reality" when we dream. As if we surf all the other possible "holographic realities" not only here but anywhere in the universe. I barely remember my dreams these days unlike my childhood but whenever I do it's like wow...

I think that it is entirely possible that every choice that we can make has to have been made elsewhere; that said, we do have free will - but whatever choice we make already exists and I suppose we could be drawn to such decisions like you say "pulled out" from the matrix...

Seeing that coffee drinking emoticon has made me think about having another coffee. The question is, did this decision already take place elsewhere, and I am lead to making a coffee, or would I have already made a coffee?

An example of the local perpetuality of time...

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Now if you want coffe, you go and make coffe, why not skip the "making of the house" and start "living in it"
This sounds like soul power, but from what i herd and know is that its possible to bring heaven down on earth.
 Quoting: Nelu


Yes very true. We are free to dowhatever we wish to do.

I was going to go on a tangent with regard to other person's sentiments with regard to quantum mechanics and genrelarelativity, indeed timeis of the essence but there are many issues with trying to merge the two from what I know i.e. determining the gravitational forces of elemenetary particles to Heisenberg and I won't derail.

Yes it could be heaven on Earth. Perhaps this will be realized when all we have is time. No money, no bills, no worries...just time and its understanding inorder to enjoy existence. :)
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Just as a radio must first vibrate at a particular frequency in order to "receive" the one particular broadcast (from all of the possible simultaneous broadcasts) that happens to be vibrating at that same frequency, likewise...
Each belief gets you vibrating at a unique set of frequencies.
These frequencies then attract, by sympathetic resonance,those holograms vibrating on the same frequencies.
That is, out of the "background" universal matrix of infinite possible holograms, those holograms and symbols that synchronistically vibrate at the same frequencies as the frequencies of your belief, get "pulled out" from this matrix and "received" by you as the actual "external physical experiences" that you then sense as "real" - that you sense as "objective reality".
So each belief is a unique set of frequencies which is a template that determines which holograms you attract into your experience.
 Quoting: Nelu


That was a good analogy with the radio.

I do wonder whether we get an overview of this "objective reality" when we dream. As if we surf all the other possible "holographic realities" not only here but anywhere in the universe. I barely remember my dreams these days unlike my childhood but whenever I do it's like wow...

I think that it is entirely possible that every choice that we can make has to have been made elsewhere; that said, we do have free will - but whatever choice we make already exists and I suppose we could be drawn to such decisions like you say "pulled out" from the matrix...

Seeing that coffee drinking emoticon has made me think about having another coffee. The question is, did this decision already take place elsewhere, and I am lead to making a coffee, or would I have already made a coffee?

An example of the local perpetuality of time...

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Now if you want coffe, you go and make coffe, why not skip the "making of the house" and start "living in it"
This sounds like soul power, but from what i herd and know is that its possible to bring heaven down on earth.
 Quoting: Nelu


Yes very true. We are free to dowhatever we wish to do.

I was going to go on a tangent with regard to other person's sentiments with regard to quantum mechanics and genrelarelativity, indeed timeis of the essence but there are many issues with trying to merge the two from what I know i.e. determining the gravitational forces of elemenetary particles to Heisenberg and I won't derail.

Yes it could be heaven on Earth. Perhaps this will be realized when all we have is time. No money, no bills, no worries...just time and its understanding inorder to enjoy existence. :)

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^^^that was me forgot tologback in. I am still fogetting to lgo in half the time whenever I return.

It's been a longgg day say I'm calling it a night, thanks Nelu and others contributors g'night GLP. :)

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That was a good analogy with the radio.

I do wonder whether we get an overview of this "objective reality" when we dream. As if we surf all the other possible "holographic realities" not only here but anywhere in the universe. I barely remember my dreams these days unlike my childhood but whenever I do it's like wow...

I think that it is entirely possible that every choice that we can make has to have been made elsewhere; that said, we do have free will - but whatever choice we make already exists and I suppose we could be drawn to such decisions like you say "pulled out" from the matrix...

Seeing that coffee drinking emoticon has made me think about having another coffee. The question is, did this decision already take place elsewhere, and I am lead to making a coffee, or would I have already made a coffee?

An example of the local perpetuality of time...

coffee4
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Now if you want coffe, you go and make coffe, why not skip the "making of the house" and start "living in it"
This sounds like soul power, but from what i herd and know is that its possible to bring heaven down on earth.
 Quoting: Nelu


Yes very true. We are free to dowhatever we wish to do.

I was going to go on a tangent with regard to other person's sentiments with regard to quantum mechanics and genrelarelativity, indeed timeis of the essence but there are many issues with trying to merge the two from what I know i.e. determining the gravitational forces of elemenetary particles to Heisenberg and I won't derail.

Yes it could be heaven on Earth. Perhaps this will be realized when all we have is time. No money, no bills, no worries...just time and its understanding inorder to enjoy existence. :)

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^^^that was me forgot tologback in. I am still fogetting to lgo in half the time whenever I return.

It's been a longgg day say I'm calling it a night, thanks Nelu and others contributors g'night GLP. :)

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good night hf
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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one can deal with it all in increments if they are yet incrementally inclined

or they can focus upon the big picture with a singular eye
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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one can deal with it all in increments if they are yet incrementally inclined

or they can focus upon the big picture with a singular eye
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That is a key question. Is time indeed made up of minute increments or does it flow continuously...
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes

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We have a wonderful perspective in order to explore this and perhaps we already experience 'no time' in the dreamstate. The perspective of time that we have seems very different from the 'real world' to the 'dream world'. I just woke up and 8 hours could well have been much less than even 2 hours. So, are time and consciousness indeed related...and indeed going back to a previous page discussion, perhaps there exists an equation relating time as a function of the degree of consciousness.

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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
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Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
 Quoting: Brave Sir Tim


Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
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Oh and btw, I used to be 'Brave Sir Tim' but now I am 'Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave lol. (To do with Monty Python encase anyone wonders.)
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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
 Quoting: Brave Sir Tim


Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
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Oh and btw, I used to be 'Brave Sir Tim' but now I am 'Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave lol. (To do with Monty Python encase anyone wonders.)
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Hmmm. It is all very mysterious. The wonderment of time and indeed life.

coffee4
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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
 Quoting: Brave Sir Tim


Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Oh and btw, I used to be 'Brave Sir Tim' but now I am 'Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave lol. (To do with Monty Python encase anyone wonders.)
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Hmmm. It is all very mysterious. The wonderment of time and indeed life.

coffee4
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"The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes

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just imagine, if time was money...lol
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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

...


Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Oh and btw, I used to be 'Brave Sir Tim' but now I am 'Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave lol. (To do with Monty Python encase anyone wonders.)
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Hmmm. It is all very mysterious. The wonderment of time and indeed life.

coffee4
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"The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein
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Well, I don't want to continue replying to my own quote, although it is a fairly decent example of the perpetuality of time I suppose lol. I have to get going, have a good day everyone. I shall too, whilst wondering what exactly a day is and while i am at it - what a yottasecond, a year, an hour, a second, a tad, a jiffy, a femtosecond, a yoctosecond, planck time...
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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes

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just imagine, if time was money...lol
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That would be very handy lol.
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Oh and btw, I used to be 'Brave Sir Tim' but now I am 'Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave lol. (To do with Monty Python encase anyone wonders.)
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Hmmm. It is all very mysterious. The wonderment of time and indeed life.

coffee4
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"The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Well, I don't want to continue replying to my own quote, although it is a fairly decent example of the perpetuality of time I suppose lol. I have to get going, have a good day everyone. I shall too, whilst wondering what exactly a day is and while i am at it - what a yottasecond, a year, an hour, a second, a tad, a jiffy, a femtosecond, a yoctosecond, planck time...
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Oh and this was me, I keep forgetting t log back in when I close out. Some day I will. Anyway gtg.

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A scalar, 1-dimensional quantity.

Or is it?

We can't be sure what exists (if anything) within the world of subatomic particles nor beyond our own universe and/or multiverses. If we could look at the bigger picture, maybe what we know as the 'timeline' isn't really a line at all.

Locally, to our own perceptions - it is a straight line and uniform as we can assume that today seems to go by just as quickly or slowly as yesterday did give or take; however is this just a 'local illusion'? A very large circle, for instance, can appear to be locally straight if you 'zoom in' at a point...and if we could chart time over entire eons could it appear not be straight at all, but curved, perhaps even a circle of infinite radius?

Taking this a step further, Albert Einstein said in his later years that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. Maybe he was right. Much the same as mathematics does a fairly decent job of modelling the universe, perhaps time is actually a fractal: a 2-dimensional entity that exists within itself encompassing all, whilst self-replicating eternally from a single complex quadratic polynomial.

It's possible that time is an illusion and we have been given the mathematical clue. The square root of -1.

i.
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yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes

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just imagine, if time was money...lol
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That would be very handy lol.
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if time was money, some would have more than others in the long run, but for a moment of time we would all have exactly the same amount of it hehe

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yes time is an illusion

this world was created all at once and has already happened and we're just reading our lines scene by scene. everything has already happened, is happening and will happen LOL...past, present and future run concurrently

time will speed up for all of you until you experience no time

my companion and i now experience 8 hours as 2 hours...that's how fast it goes

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just imagine, if time was money...lol
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That would be very handy lol.
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if time was money, some would have more than others in the long run, but for a moment of time we would all have exactly the same amount of it hehe

tounge
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I suppose so, also if time was money there would be no need for this thread, and it would be one less mystery of the universe to fathom out.
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In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
 Quoting: Brave Sir Tim


Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Btw this analogy wasn't really that great to try to explain the situation and to try to solve the question: "what exactly is time?", like whether the train and/or the tunnel is moving, there must be better ones - so feel free to add some other examples if you like folks.
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Re: Time.
In order to try to understand what time is, we need to be able to picture it from our perspective using the best analogies we can think of. Earlier, I was imagining that I was on a train without windows going through a tunnel. Let's assume that all reality, all matter, all existence is inside a train without windows passing through a tunnel, time. Now, we have no understanding of the speed we are passing through this tunnel, if we are travelling at speed at all - we may be stationery; nor which direction we're moving (or not moving in) etc. How do we find out what the tunnel is? What is its nature? What is it made of? Where are we going? Where have we been? Our best tool in order to answer such a question is imagination. If we can't see, then we can imagine what we could see using our best tools of reason and logic. I discussed in another thread that whatever we imagine must exist somewhere in the universe, given the fact that it is unbounded and infinite...

I was just wondering this morning. Did somebody in ancient Egypt, for example, either dream or conceive the idea for the light bulb; but didn’t have the right tools in order to make one. Electricity and Tungsten existed long before Thomas Edison came along and invented the light bulb as we know it. Did it already exist somewhere else in material reality or somebody else’s imagination?

Enter the ‘infinite monkey theorem’. To take it a step further, perhaps it applies to everything – in an infinite universe, imagination and creativity could stem from the fact that whatever we imagine, no matter how far-fetched or implausible it may be, must already exist and be creatable somehow with the tools we have available already.

Perhaps a lightbulb just materialized somewhere else by chance and William Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night has already been written by the universe.

I can imagine superluminal speed, as can many others – does that mean that it already exists? Has this thread already been written?

Food for thought.
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Taken from: Thread: Lightbulbs, Imagination & reality. I wrote a few weeks ago.

Now, using this argument, inside the train, can we not assume that whatever we may imagine time is, is? Perhaps it isn't just a function of consciousness...perhaps it is a function of imagination and it encompasses everything we possibly can imagine it may be...
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Btw this analogy wasn't really that great to try to explain the situation and to try to solve the question: "what exactly is time?", like whether the train and/or the tunnel is moving, there must be better ones - so feel free to add some other examples if you like folks.
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I don't usually bump my own threads, but I need some help with this analysis.

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hmm





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