I need a ruling from GLP concerning something the school did today.

I used collective punishment a lot when I taught kids in China.

Sometimes it's the only way to get the little c**ts to listen. To everyone complaining, have you ever tried to get a bunch of unruly 5 year olds in line? It's really hard. They are WAY more difficult to teach than teenagers. I've seen tough guys, even criminals, reduced to cold sweats by uncontrollable five-year-olds.

I got the idea from Full Metal Jacket. Gunnery Sergeant Hartman would collectively punish the troops. I'm not a psychologist but I thought through the social dynamics, and it seemed to be a very powerful trick. I tried everything before I hit on collective punishment.

It's about making the punished kid realize what he does impacts others. It makes people consider the group as a whole. And yes, it'll bring the threat of social isolation to the bad student.

That's how our society functions. When you act bad, you get ostracized. So the kids start to understand the consequences of their actions.

When a kid gets punished on his own, it makes him stand out. And some of them like that. It singles them out, gets them extra attention. They become notorious in the class, etc etc.

But group punishment strips all that glamour away from them, and makes them the class putz.

No, in a different state a few states away from Missouri. Please share more of your story. Please.

That's typical of most teachers. They take the easy way out.

I tried it for a year and they hated it.

They begged me to go back.

My son wanted to be in jrotc program.

If you did that to your own child and he went to school and told somebody, theyd call CPS and have him taken away. So yeah it's abuse

Does your child have a disability?

Why are you worried about 5 min in the sun?

Probably got some needed vitamin d.

No, absolutely not okay. I work in a school setting and this teacher abused her power by making the students uncomfortable. She or he sounds like they lack the ability to discipline a class without fear or anger, which means he/ she is not fit to educate your child.
I wish more parents would stand up to shitty teachers and policies. I spoke out in a meeting yesterday after parents asked if their deaf child could have a mask excusal. I said yes, based on their diagnosis, and they should ask for it, and an administration official said they could not. Those parents should have said well I want it and they did not. Fight for your children!!! These people are not smart who are making these policies and educating your children. I am astounded by their stupidity every day.

Wow we are doomed.

We are raising a generation of pussies starting with the parents.

Yes, you were in high school, you also chose to do that.

This is a 7 year old 2nd grade student who did nothing wrong and had no choice.

That didn't work when my teachers tried it.

To function as a team is right for military duty and sports teams, but my boys hated classroom teamwork because they did all of the work and the slackers got equal credit.

My opinon, you're kid needs to toughen up, and so do you.

Just how I feel about it.

I do not think this was justified at all. It sounds like the teacher is using military tactics on the little kids, and it's not right they were all punished for what a few did.

It reminds me of my 11th grade biology class, which still bugs me to this day.

Our class was right before lunch break. When the bell rang we all went directly to the cafeteria.

If anyone talked during the class, or was caught passing notes, the whole class was punished by the teacher making us wait 15 minutes before we could go to lunch, which left us with only 15 to get our food and eat.

Almost every day someone would get caught talking, so most everyday we only had a 15 minute lunch break when it should have been 30 minutes like everyone else in the school.

That was just wrong on several counts.

What they did to those second grade students was not right at all, especially as they are little kids. That was physical punishment not just for the guilty but for all.

Thank you for sharing. Please share more.

We have tried to prepare our child, and told our child to not take a shot and immediately do whatever has to be done to let us know. This kid is unique and well prepared but I never thought to prepare for this. Heat punishment? With no child being able to express their discomfort or pain?

Sorry, not believing anyone is making 7 year olds run laps in 90 degree heat for punishment.


You're full of shit. Just another phony attention whore.

I have to beg my 8 year old little girl to come in from out back with her friends on the weekends.

In texas, in the summer, out almost all day.

I want to point out to all of you, we're talking about 6, 7, 8 year old children.

Not 16, 17, 18 year old high schoolers.

Punishment for talking sounds less like discipline and more like early pre-emptive attack on 1st amendment rights. They are un-teaching the things they should be over teaching. Like basic human rights. Like the first time I heard about Free Speech Zones on college campuses and I was screaming ' I thought that the entire campus was a Free Speech Zone '!

Discipline is always good if wisely structured and used fairly but never at the expense of a child's health, mental or physical. If they said it was torture then it was. Believe your kids 1st over anyone else, until you have more data to decide. Lock that teacher in a hot car for 5 minutes.

90 degrees where? Today for the first time in almost three, long, miserable months...we finally got a high of 91, it has been GLORIOUS!

But I'll assume you live in a muggy ass state, so yeah, that's definitely not very nice to the kids.

I think they'll be fine. What I most disagree with is punishing the whole group because some were talking. Never liked that kind of shit.

I don't have kids, but if I did, I would homeschool. If you decide to give your kids to the state for mind molding, well, making them sit outside in the sun is probably the least worst thing they're doing to them.

I agree. I'd be more concerned with the twisted curriculum they're teaching your kids than worry about them making kids sit in the sun for 5 minutes.

Yep, they are training kids to be good little tax slave commies.

In 5rd grade I was walking to school over mile.. Each way..every day in the desert.. Lol..

And when I lived fontana, sometimes my parents would let me walk home from school.. About half mile..

I remember in fontana there was what we thought of a mean teacher.. Second grade.. She had all stop and freeze where we stood for a while.. As i remember about 50 or so kids on the green.. The bell rang and we were supposed go back to class.. The teacher yelled.. STOPPPP.. WE ALL FROZE IN PLACE..

Weird huh..

Back in the 80s..

Last Edited by ChugALugging on 09/17/2021 06:43 PM

What did your teachers do? It depends on context.

To be clear, all I did was make them sit with their hands on their heads for 2 minutes. 2 minutes is an eternity for a 5 year old.

Then I said:

"Do you like sitting in silence?"

They'd go

"No."

Then I said. You're sitting like this BECAUSE OF GEORGE.

Then I'd take George out in front of the class. And I'd say:

"Do you have anything to say to George?"

Then they'd shout things at him. All these little Chinese five-year-olds shouting at George. It was like the Two Minutes Hate in 1984. Once one of the other kids spat at him, hahaha.

George was a spoilt little f**k who was ruining the class and he needed to learn. Why should 9 other students suffer cos of one little s**t?

Punishments in school should be harsh but humourous. The humour takes the edge off the teacher vs students anger. I got that from Full Metal Jacket too.

When I saw this scene, it was like a Damascus moment in my teaching career.



Last Edited by Daozen on 09/17/2021 06:46 PM

This!

Sounds innocent enough. Burn that energy. Although we all know the state has zero good intentions on teaching your child anything of value so I doubt this discipline was out of respect for the children's welfare and future. School is torture.

If I was George's dad, I'd probably be in jail once I caught wind of what was happening.

This is a kid who spends a lot of time outside, in heat, and was uncomfortable and felt was tortured today. Had to sit on a concrete basketball court, without being able to move around, or being able to express discomfort, with many other students also very uncomfortable in the least. 6, 7 and 8 year olds. Being punished with heat, for at least 5 minutes, maybe 10. 90 degrees, 50% plus humidity, not allowed to talk or move.

Sending your kids to school is abuse. If you can't afford to raise them yourself, you are too poor to be viable and are nothing but meat.