Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 14 - LiveStream

The defense opted not to present their own toxicologist expert witness.
I have watched the entire trial, I would vote guilty of second degree
murder. Floyd would be alive if Chauvin had allowed him to remain sitting while handcuffed or turned him onto his side to relieve the pressure on his chest pressed against the hard pavement so he could take deep enough breaths to allow enough intake of oxygen.

Chauvin’s training taught him that the prone position while handcuffed is problematic, and did not start immediate CPR until ambulance arrives when Chauvin became unconscious, also required when a suspect is in their custody.

And as you said, I believe at least one or two will say not guilty and stick to it. Burnin' down the house.....

No doubt, and judging by the ethnicity, gender and demographics of the jury pool, I believe you hit the number right.

There will be two hold outs, that hang this jury.

No doubt, and judging by the ethnicity, gender and demographics of the jury pool, I believe you hit the number right.

There will be two hold outs, that hang this jury.

If Floyd, did in fact OD on Fentanyl, he would be dead no matter what Chauvin and or the other cops did or did not do. If someone said “look at this video, it shows a man dying of a drug overdose after resisting arrest’”
I would watch it and agree that that is what I saw.

It's really a massive problem. Any time cops are doing anything these days, a crowd forms and everyone whips out their phones to record.

A while back a friend of mine was arresting a guy for beating his kid to the point of hospitalization.

It was during a traffic stop and he saw the warrant in the system, the car was pulled over in a shitty hotel parking lot so there were a lot of people around.

The guy started wigging out and shouting "YOU'RE KILLING ME" as he was being cuffed, a crowd formed and started filming and screaming at him.

With the crowd backing him up, the suspect started resisting more so now he's trying to get this guy in the cruiser by himself with a dozen people around making him think he's about to get swarmed.

That's the thing people don't understand, most shitty low-level criminals like Floyd yell shit like "I CAN'T BREATHE" and whatnot when they get arrested, and carry on to make a scene.

Shit happens on most arrests of people like that with long criminal records.

The Fentanyl certainly was a factor, but I don't really think his death was really an overdose.

They didn't find any pills in his stomach, so it's likely whatever he took was in his system well before the interaction with police took place.

There were no trackmarks noted so he took his opiates orally. Which means if he had swallowed whatever was in his mouth on the bodycam video, it would have been found on autopsy as it wouldn't be a powder. I think he spit that out at some point, because I've seen other video analysis showing a bag on the ground.

He exerted himself more than his ticker could take, which made it stop... and that lack of blood flow stopped his breathing.

You usually vomit when you OD on opiates, this didn't happen here. I know because that's how a good friend of mine died... unconscious from Fentanyl and then choked on his vomit.

Each person is required to identify as a juror. All other identifiers should be left at the door.

The Fentanyl certainly was a factor, but I don't really think his death was really an overdose.

They didn't find any pills in his stomach, so it's likely whatever he took was in his system well before the interaction with police took place.

There were no trackmarks noted so he took his opiates orally. Which means if he had swallowed whatever was in his mouth on the bodycam video, it would have been found on autopsy as it wouldn't be a powder. I think he spit that out at some point, because I've seen other video analysis showing a bag on the ground.

He exerted himself more than his ticker could take, which made it stop... and that lack of blood flow stopped his breathing.

You usually vomit when you OD on opiates, this didn't happen here. I know because that's how a good friend of mine died... unconscious from Fentanyl and then choked on his vomit.

I tried to find closing arguments - were there? If so, opinion?

I tried to find closing arguments - were there? If so, opinion?

If he chewed up the pills in that scenario, they might have taken effect really fast. Didn’t some of the early videos that came out show him dropping some drugs? Did that ever come up in this trial? Even if true, it is doubtful either side would bring it up IMO.

At this point I would be one of them because making a mistake to avoid probable violence is wrong.

And there is nothing anyone could do to change my mind.

Those will be heard on Monday and then the case goes to the jury. It is going to be an interesting week. I would hate to be living in the inner cities after this one. It's bad enough one person had to die, but because people cannot be objective and peaceful I fear many more will die as a result of this case and much more property destroyed.

thanks guys - had to work and couldn't find when I came back.
So, the jury is sequestered this weekend, time to think and then will hear closing on Monday.

Let's see what else happens over the weekend . . . .

And with this drug it didn't need the entire pill to be swallowed, but merely absorbed partially lingually to be absorbed into the bloodstream. Think Fentanyl patch. So the argument about no pills in his stomach is laughable.

I don’t know how you police those types of neighborhoods without being an asshole.

Any non-asshole would throw his hands up and resign after the first day. Takes an asshole to deal with that many other assholes.

The Fentanyl certainly was a factor, but I don't really think his death was really an overdose.

They didn't find any pills in his stomach, so it's likely whatever he took was in his system well before the interaction with police took place.

There were no trackmarks noted so he took his opiates orally. Which means if he had swallowed whatever was in his mouth on the bodycam video, it would have been found on autopsy as it wouldn't be a powder. I think he spit that out at some point, because I've seen other video analysis showing a bag on the ground.

He exerted himself more than his ticker could take, which made it stop... and that lack of blood flow stopped his breathing.

You usually vomit when you OD on opiates, this didn't happen here. I know because that's how a good friend of mine died... unconscious from Fentanyl and then choked on his vomit.

Actually the jury is not sequestered, which I find odd, but after Monday's closing arguments they will be until which time they render a verdict. If it is a hung jury I cannot wait to see the reaction of those 'expert panelists' on HLN.

Well the defense really dropped the ball in that case not bringing up any testimony to this.

It was a pretty big point brought up by the prosecutor that no pills were found in the stomach contents and it was never refuted by the defense.

But I still don't think that's a likely scenario. If the drugs made it into his system by absorption through the mouth in quantities to cause an overdose, he would have been unconscious earlier.

Once it's in your bloodstream, the effect is immediate... that's why people who OD from injection are found dead with the needle in their arm still.

He was in cuffs for 17 minutes before losing consciousness it just seems too long for an OD with no pills being found in his stomach.

Dr. Fowler backs me up on this, suggesting it was a sudden cardiac event and not a slow asphyxiation.

And OD doesn't stop your heart, it stops your breathing which eventually stops your heart.

I have served on a Grand Jury. I have voted no bill on a guy that disgusted me to the core. The DA was simply asking us to indict him on something there was not sufficient to indict. There was plenty other this guy was into (drugs, etc), but they wanted an indictment for having sex with a woman when they were both stoned.

DA pulled out the law where an intoxicated person cannot give consent. They both acknowledged each other to be stoned. My question was, "Okay, so who raped who on this one?"

That’s very respectable. Far too many grand jurors simply go along with the state.

Im curious where they will be sequestered at and what level of security will be provided for them. They are going to deliberate wherever they are sequestered at.

It just takes one Motel/Hotel staff to call the Media and disclose the Jury's whereabouts.

This troubles me.

Well the defense really dropped the ball in that case not bringing up any testimony to this.

It was a pretty big point brought up by the prosecutor that no pills were found in the stomach contents and it was never refuted by the defense.

But I still don't think that's a likely scenario. If the drugs made it into his system by absorption through the mouth in quantities to cause an overdose, he would have been unconscious earlier.

Once it's in your bloodstream, the effect is immediate... that's why people who OD from injection are found dead with the needle in their arm still.

He was in cuffs for 17 minutes before losing consciousness it just seems too long for an OD with no pills being found in his stomach.

Dr. Fowler backs me up on this, suggesting it was a sudden cardiac event and not a slow asphyxiation.

And OD doesn't stop your heart, it stops your breathing which eventually stops your heart.