Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 14 - LiveStream

I would vote not guilty on all charges. Far too much evidence proving that what he did was appropriate, and not the main cause of death.

It all depends if, as a juror, I primarily identify with the color my skin or not.

If I identify as Black, the answer is obvious

Identify as White, and I might guilt myself into convicting.

Identify as a fellow human being, and Chauvin walks.

When this all first happened last year we were blessed only with bystander's video and at that point I was compelled to bury this officer, but after watching every day and seeing every nuance of this trial and the evidence presented, I simply cannot convict the officer of anything other than perhaps negligence to render aid. It makes no sense.

There simply was not enough pressure on the neck in the right place necessary to asphyxiate Floyd. I only wish a live demonstration had been allowed in court as I feel this would have discredited that idea entirely.

If I were Chauvin I would have volunteered to allow a 6-6 body builder to kneel on my neck for 9 minutes right in front of the bench and talk to the jury the entire time to disprove the lie.

Same here

I’m not convinced that a bunch of other factors didn’t contribute or cause his ultimate death. I wouldn’t feel right about going with a ‘guilty’ verdict for murder but I would consider the manslaughter charge since he failed to put him in the recovery position and he continued to leave his knee on him (neck, back, whatever) even when it was established he had no pulse.

I would have to review all the videos. However, I’d be leaning toward ‘not guilty’ for all charges just on principle alone and how terribly unfair his trial was.

blackwell thinks he is slick pulling out the tricks. but it backfired and made his case look even weaker

I would acquit him. But I have bad feeling the Jury is going to find him guilty on all counts.

Each person is required to identify as a juror. All other identifiers should be left at the door.

I think you're right!

The defense opted not to present their own toxicologist expert witness.
I have watched the entire trial, I would vote guilty of second degree
murder. Floyd would be alive if Chauvin had allowed him to remain sitting while handcuffed or turned him onto his side to relieve the pressure on his chest pressed against the hard pavement so he could take deep enough breaths to allow enough intake of oxygen.

Chauvin’s training taught him that the prone position while handcuffed is problematic, and did not start immediate CPR until ambulance arrives when Chauvin became unconscious, also required when a suspect is in their custody.

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If this happens I think it would be a miscarriage of justice and giving in to fear or peer pressure.

Perhaps the trial should not have even been in Minneapolis.

:theliqour:

Maybe the jury will perform their own test during the deliberations.
That would be so funny if an EMT rescue had to be called to the jury room to revive someone.

My best friend is a cop, and he thinks Chauvin should get convicted of the lowest manslaughter count and do a couple of years.

I don't see him walking away next week a free man.

A guy who used to work for me got a year in jail because he lost his high paying job and couldn't keep up with the same amount of child support the court said he should pay while working for me in an entry level position.

Given that, Chauvin should do at least more than that for not checking on Floyd when he became unresponsive.

If they get him for murder 2 though, that will be an epic miscarriage of justice.

I mean if he gets hit on the lowest count, maybe he gets 5 years and is out in 2.5? With time served that's a year and a half from now.

People have done that kind of time for just having drugs on them. And maybe with that, most Americans will think the people burning cities down are in the wrong.

The Free Shit Army’s Minneapolis chapter will be quite disappointed. Fortunately, they have a brand new reaso (cough) excuse to get dat Free Shit.

I think there is a pretty good chance Floyd was toast by the time the officers realized he was in trouble.

With all those drugs in his system and his heart disease, I think the fight probably overloaded his heart and what Dr. Fowler theorized happened... heart's pacemaker glitched out due to lack of blood flow and it stopped.

The knee on the neck had nothing to do with it. Doing a bunch of drugs and fighting 4 cops when your blood pressure looks more like a good bowling score is a really bad idea.

CPR has a pretty low success rate, even if they rolled him over and started right away his prognosis wasn't great.

But by not checking on him, we'll never know... and that's where the criminal liability comes into play.

The part of the video we haven't seen much of in the past few days is where the off duty EMT was begging with them to start working on him because he was unresponsive.

I think the lawsuit should have been against the bystanders though, without their interference Floyd would probably still be alive everything else being the same.

This event was a great example that video lies. It’s also a great application of what used to be considered a sin, rash judgement. So many opinions people have, including ourselves, is due to lying videos and quick, baseless decisions. It’s a good reminder to be more careful in our judgements. We see how not practice good judgment can literally set whole cities ablaze.

It is hard enough to be a cop and have to deal with meth head porn star counterfeiting drug dealers and similar ilk constantly in degraded metro areas that weren't such shitholes when you grew up there just 20-30 years ago.

Knowing what we now know about the true manner of Floyd's death, I don't believe that if Chauvin got off him entirely in the last 2 minutes and rolled him on his side it would have made any difference. He was ded anyway.

Dead before he could spread his cancerous misery any further in that ghetto, or run some one over as he might have that day if he drove away.

So Chauvin made an error.

Prison time? No way.

Time served and no more policing is plenty of justice for a guy who wasn't out to hurt anyone and in a tough spot that day.

I'd certainly be fine with that. I just hope they don't nail those two rookies to the wall, it was practically their first friggin day on the job, and Chauvin/Thao were their field training officers and they were at the mercy of their decisions.

My buddy said when he was first out on the road with his FTO he did exactly what he said without question because that's just how it is.

good point about the bystanders.

ignorance of the consequences of their disorderly activities is no excuse.

Cops in a situation like that should have wide discretion to disperse unruly crowds like that within a certain perimeter of such encounters.

Tolerating them until they are 3 feet away from you screaming at you and gesticulating robs the first responders of attention that needs to be focused on keeping perps or victims contained and alive.

But the law gives cops no such latitude, so you may as well sue the policy makers if you are suing the mob.

Without obedience to authority, there is no order. The only way to learn, thrive, and keep balance in the society.

Incompetent authority is our societies downfall.

The main take away is...'Beyond a shadow of a doubt,' was never proven, no intent, no malice, no racial element. Nothing was shown, that did not equate to, just a really bad day for mister Floyd, with a lot of really bad choices mixed in, and the questionable amount of self ingested street drugs, certainly helped to catapult him towards his ultimate and final destiny...

Slam dunk, to many other factors have been presented to pin it solely on the officer being a racist murderer with the evil intent to kill Mr. Floyd as presented by the jury of the media and the prosecution.

Hung jury, and the country burns as planed.

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Ample reasonable doubt. Starting with the Medical Examiners report.

Now, maybe if they wish to charge Chauvin with assholery? Maybe? But even then .......

It's really a massive problem. Any time cops are doing anything these days, a crowd forms and everyone whips out their phones to record.

A while back a friend of mine was arresting a guy for beating his kid to the point of hospitalization.

It was during a traffic stop and he saw the warrant in the system, the car was pulled over in a shitty hotel parking lot so there were a lot of people around.

The guy started wigging out and shouting "YOU'RE KILLING ME" as he was being cuffed, a crowd formed and started filming and screaming at him.

With the crowd backing him up, the suspect started resisting more so now he's trying to get this guy in the cruiser by himself with a dozen people around making him think he's about to get swarmed.

That's the thing people don't understand, most shitty low-level criminals like Floyd yell shit like "I CAN'T BREATHE" and whatnot when they get arrested, and carry on to make a scene.

Shit happens on most arrests of people like that with long criminal records.

I'll tell you this, Chauvin doesn't look nervous watching his discussion with the judge about his choice not to testify.

I don’t know how you police those types of neighborhoods without being an asshole.

Any non-asshole would throw his hands up and resign after the first day. Takes an asshole to deal with that many other assholes.

And as you said, I believe at least one or two will say not guilty and stick to it. Burnin' down the house.....

This is interesting:

https://twitter.com/_/status/1382725416167772162

I read this as they will not be deliberating at the Courthouse.