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Let's assume that Planet X is real...
... and bypass all the controversy surrounding the topic.

I'd like some input on protective measures average people / communities can take as the effects (earth changes) intensify. I hate to think of myself as a 'useless eater', but let's face it, I don't have any shining qualifications that will warrant an invitation to the nearest super bunker.

What I Do have is rare enough... a surviver's attitude and experience in wilderness living. So, considering this (hypothetical) situation realistically, what steps can those of us awake, but without black-ops or bail-out funds, do to have a chance of survival? Are there any ideas or resources available that could help groups or small communities know how to prepare... what effects are most likely (any for specific areas beyond coastal or fault zones?), how to quickly construct safe, low dollar sheltering, foods to culture or grow in extreme or 'on the move' situations and whatever else that might apply when trying to save as many as possible under 'worst case' conditions.

I know some are considering this topic... Where do we start?
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... and bypass all the controversy surrounding the topic.
I hate to think of myself as a 'useless eater', but let's face it, I don't have any shining qualifications that will warrant an invitation to the nearest super bunker.

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Im working on that.
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Im working on that.
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Yeah, I'm a little too old to get those kinds of qualifications now. :( lol
None-the-less, there will be need for people who are Not taken by surprise and, if nothing else, mentally prepared to help others.

May not be a walk in the park, but it is do-able, and some Will make it with the right attitude and information.
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There's gotta be some of you that have seriously considered these possibilities!

I live near an ancient caldera... is it likely this thing will come alive?
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From what I have read, there could be winds reaching 200+ mph, lightening storms of biblical proportions and sudden temperature / climate changes. Does anyone have links to some fairly concise information relating to these possible effects?

All I've found so far have been pretty fringe sort of sources.
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Does the story about the seed vault underground make sense to anyone? I am sure it will survive whatever is thrown at it. Makes one wonder but than again?
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From what I have read, there could be winds reaching 200+ mph, lightening storms of biblical proportions and sudden temperature / climate changes. Does anyone have links to some fairly concise information relating to these possible effects?

All I've found so far have been pretty fringe sort of sources.
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What do you consider "fringe"? By definition, at the present time the entire topic of PX is considered fringe, so anyone who is taking it seriously is also considered fringe. The most complete info on PX and how to survive it is probably at www.zetatalk.com, but they are also probably the single most maligned website/group at GLP.

My general advice is:

(1) Stock enough food and basic gear for the first several months, a period during which things will be in total chaos. The whole package shouldn't cost more than the price of the average person's car insurance bill for a year.

(2) Keep working on those wilderness living skills, particularly in relation to food: learn all the edible plants in your area, learn how to hunt and trap (trapping is more efficient than hunting because you don't have to be there to do it; also, deer will get hunted out quickly after a pole shift, but small game like rabbits will not).

(3) Find areas away from population centers with water and some measure of isolation. This could be one's own rural land or it might be on, for example, national forest land. Get maps and spend time in these areas in advance scoping them out for access, water, hunting/gathering prospects, etc.

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start with movin away from water, fault lines and new mountain ranges.
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Re: Let's assume that Planet X is real...
... and bypass all the controversy surrounding the topic.

I'd like some input on protective measures average people / communities can take as the effects (earth changes) intensify. I hate to think of myself as a 'useless eater', but let's face it, I don't have any shining qualifications that will warrant an invitation to the nearest super bunker.

What I Do have is rare enough... a surviver's attitude and experience in wilderness living. So, considering this (hypothetical) situation realistically, what steps can those of us awake, but without black-ops or bail-out funds, do to have a chance of survival? Are there any ideas or resources available that could help groups or small communities know how to prepare... what effects are most likely (any for specific areas beyond coastal or fault zones?), how to quickly construct safe, low dollar sheltering, foods to culture or grow in extreme or 'on the move' situations and whatever else that might apply when trying to save as many as possible under 'worst case' conditions.

I know some are considering this topic... Where do we start?
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What you may consider as valuable qualifications today, may be completely useless qualifications if all hell breaks loose. Let's say there is a massive electromagnetic storm, wiping out the vast majority of electrical and electronic circuitry on Earth... for a few months. That 100K programmer or sysadmin "qualification", at least in the immediate near term, becomes worth exactly 2.5 cents. Doctors/Healers, mechanics, farmers, people who know and can teach how to live off the land and materials available... those will be the "qualifications" most valued in the immediate aftermath.

Don't sell yourself short by today's standards. When conditions change, so do values. Just as paper currency can never stand up to gold, no matter how it tries, so may your real world know-how stand up better to the test if and when TSHTF.
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Re: Let's assume that Planet X is real...
What do you consider "fringe"? <snip>
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That was probably the wrong word to use...
Most of what I have seen has been the controversy sort of discussions, not actual considerations of effects.

I have nothing against zeta talk, though I haven't been there in a very long time. I used to get frustrated (just like here sometimes :) when trying to put all the bits and pieces together into something understandable.

Those preps are all excellent!
I have tried to give the family time to adapt, but haven't looked at the environmental changes... that's kinda what this is about... Many thoughts and views is always good.

Thanks for your input, Soledad!


You too, Enlilson!
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Does the story about the seed vault underground make sense to anyone? I am sure it will survive whatever is thrown at it. Makes one wonder but than again?
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Yep. Take a look around and damn near All of what's going on with the whole economy / political scene makes a lot more sense when considered in light of ol' PX, doesn't it?

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Re: Let's assume that Planet X is real...
From what I have read, there could be winds reaching 200+ mph, lightening storms of biblical proportions and sudden temperature / climate changes. Does anyone have links to some fairly concise information relating to these possible effects?

All I've found so far have been pretty fringe sort of sources.
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There is a group on yahoo called "survive px" which has good info, and also this web site which has very good info [link to www.apocalyptichousewife.com]

It all depends on where this assumed planet, object, comet passes by. The closer it passes by, the worse the damage to the earth. The further away it passes by, the less damage to the earth.

Yes winds are estimated (remember, just an estimate) at 200mph. However the winds may vary depending on where you are on the globe. Worst places to be - on the ring of fire, and within 200 miles of the coast line, and Florida.
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What do you consider "fringe"? <snip>
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That was probably the wrong word to use...
Most of what I have seen has been the controversy sort of discussions, not actual considerations of effects.

I have nothing against zeta talk, though I haven't been there in a very long time. I used to get frustrated (just like here sometimes :) when trying to put all the bits and pieces together into something understandable.

Those preps are all excellent!
I have tried to give the family time to adapt, but haven't looked at the environmental changes... that's kinda what this is about... Many thoughts and views is always good.

Thanks for your input, Soledad!
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As if trying to live in a complete survival situation wasn't hard enough, the pole shift scenario as I have come to understand it presents some unique problems:

(1) The fact that there are bound to be roving bands of dangerous leftover humans around for awhile. Although I own a rifle, I see it as mainly a hunting tool. I prefer isolation as the best way to avoid these groups. Gas should be in short supply or even nonexistent, so getting 10+ miles into the back country should discourage most attacks by these types who focus on looking for easy targets.

(2) "Drizzle-land": If a pole shift causes every volcano to pop, then with ash in the sky and constant drizzle, everything is going to be harder. For starters, good luck trying to grow crops in these conditions, which is why I emphasize hunting/gathering myself. Even then, how does one dry meat, keep tools from rusting, keep food from rotting, etc. Not to mention things like getting vitamin D (multivitamins are a must in one's survival storage pack).

Just some thoughts, not a pretty picture, but the kind of thing one has to think about if you take this stuff seriously.

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What you may consider as valuable qualifications today, may be completely useless qualifications if all hell breaks loose. Let's say there is a massive electromagnetic storm, wiping out the vast majority of electrical and electronic circuitry on Earth... for a few months. That 100K programmer or sysadmin "qualification", at least in the immediate near term, becomes worth exactly 2.5 cents. Doctors/Healers, mechanics, farmers, people who know and can teach how to live off the land and materials available... those will be the "qualifications" most valued in the immediate aftermath.

Don't sell yourself short by today's standards. When conditions change, so do values. Just as paper currency can never stand up to gold, no matter how it tries, so may your real world know-how stand up better to the test if and when TSHTF.
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I agree, but it Still means weathering the storm topside! :)

In thinking about this, it's glaringly apparent that individuals or even families won't be enough... Small communities will have to form, and as things worsen, undoubtedly will. That is a whole different ballgame than 10 or 12 like-minded people on survival mode!
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The fact that there are bound to be roving bands of dangerous leftover humans around for awhile. Although I own a rifle, I see it as mainly a hunting tool. I prefer isolation as the best way to avoid these groups. Gas should be in short supply or even nonexistent, so getting 10+ miles into the back country should discourage most attacks by these types who focus on looking for easy targets.

I am hoping that our creator in heaven will take most of these types of humans OUT as this is supposed to be a "cleansing" of the Earth (from evil).

And I wouldn't count on those elaborate underground installations because it clearly says in the Bible that evil will be found and destroyed. A good EQ will collapse any manmade structures underground. I think I'd rather be on the surface in my own manmade trench.
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... and bypass all the controversy surrounding the topic.

I'd like some input on protective measures average people / communities can take as the effects (earth changes) intensify. I hate to think of myself as a 'useless eater', but let's face it, I don't have any shining qualifications that will warrant an invitation to the nearest super bunker.

What I Do have is rare enough... a surviver's attitude and experience in wilderness living. So, considering this (hypothetical) situation realistically, what steps can those of us awake, but without black-ops or bail-out funds, do to have a chance of survival? Are there any ideas or resources available that could help groups or small communities know how to prepare... what effects are most likely (any for specific areas beyond coastal or fault zones?), how to quickly construct safe, low dollar sheltering, foods to culture or grow in extreme or 'on the move' situations and whatever else that might apply when trying to save as many as possible under 'worst case' conditions.

I know some are considering this topic... Where do we start?


What you may consider as valuable qualifications today, may be completely useless qualifications if all hell breaks loose. Let's say there is a massive electromagnetic storm, wiping out the vast majority of electrical and electronic circuitry on Earth... for a few months. That 100K programmer or sysadmin "qualification", at least in the immediate near term, becomes worth exactly 2.5 cents. Doctors/Healers, mechanics, farmers, people who know and can teach how to live off the land and materials available... those will be the "qualifications" most valued in the immediate aftermath.

Don't sell yourself short by today's standards. When conditions change, so do values. Just as paper currency can never stand up to gold, no matter how it tries, so may your real world know-how stand up better to the test if and when TSHTF.
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Well said.

Yep all it would take would be a m.e.s. and there you are without electricity unless A. you have solar panels B. you have a wind mill producing electricity (or some other method) C. a generator but for how long could you get fuel??

Certain prophets such as David Wilkerson and Our Lady of Emmitsburg have stated now is the time to be storing up 30 days worth of food and water. Something is up, we just don't know when.
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Thanks for the link AC 773137!
I will go check out the Yahoo site too.
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I can see you've taken this a bit more seriously than most Soledad.

That is why I mentioned the food thing... ash, ice and even those kinds of winds would probably make growing in the open and hunting pretty futile.
Kefir cultures? Low light seed?
Water filtering devises won't last long and most water sources will likely be poisoned... What to do?

And, if you manage to deal with the critical survival issues, what about the whole managing the group or community organization thing?
My 'other' watches Battlestar Galactica... The show irritated the dickens out of me because of the "only 20K left but let's squabble politics and see if we can destroy what's left of humanity" plot. Sadly, it is all too likely to happen that way once the initial shock wears off.
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Okay, I found a comment about a thread here on GLP, but I don't find it using the search.
Evidently it is titled "PLanet X and Government Underground" It must be an old one. Does anyone remember this one?
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Lets just assume that we are totally and utterly doomed, if we get a pole shift and a bunch of 15ft tall pricks dressed as Romans rock up it really is game over for us.
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Water filtering devises won't last long and most water sources will likely be poisoned... What to do?

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I had the same reaction to Battlestar Gal. I also hated how the ordinary people never had any real input, while the military types made all the decisions. Also, the continued idea of a "press corps" was beyond stupid.

Anyway, just wanted to say that while water sources will initially be polluted by lead from volcanic ash, the good news is that it will filter out over a few years. Meanwhile, there won't be factories polluting anymore so over time water should eventually be clean again. If you stay away from population centers, biological contamination should be low except maybe giardia.

High quality filters like Katadyn makes are good for thousands of gallons. The trick is to silt the water first so that the filter doesn't get clogged with mud. Put the water in five gallon buckets and let it sit for 24 hours, then filter off the top 2/3 without disturbing the bucket and pour out the crap at the bottom.

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Oooh, a Planet X stupidity ghetto!
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you must be elevation....above 4,000ft.
and have someplace below ground.
be careful of forested areas, as fire will be a problem.
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There is a group on yahoo called "survive px" which has good info, and also this web site which has very good info [link to www.apocalyptichousewife.com]

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Still reading but I haven't found the Yahoo group...
A link or search instructions for a slow witted old woman? :)

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you must be elevation....above 4,000ft.
and have someplace below ground.
be careful of forested areas, as fire will be a problem.
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Not true in a land of constant drizzle. Fires should only be a problem in population centers where gas lines will be popping like popcorn.
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Alright lets assume Planet X is real.

Let's assume it has an inner system orbit that brings it just within the orbit of the Asteroid Belt and so far out no one can see it every 3600 years (roughly).

First passing would have caused the orbits of Mars, Earth and Venus to elongate slightly, may not have touched Mercury at all. However the Elongation of Venus and Earth's orbit would put tidal stresses on Mercury slowly causing Mercury's orbit to elongate over hundreds of years after its passing.

IF The asteroid belt is indeed a "failed" planet or is the remains of a planet, then we could blame Planet X for the break up of that planet at the first round. We don't need another planet to cause the asteroid belt, the Gravitational tidal effects of Jupiter and Mars has enough influence to prevent a planet from forming at the asteroid belt.

3600 years later PX returns.

The Asteroid Belt would be influenced causing the near and farthest sides (relative to the sun) to PX to spew asteroids in every direction. A "Rain of Fire" would follow about 50 years later on Mars, Earth and Venus. Destabilized orbits of this debris would continue for each orbital return, in as little as three orbits the asteroid belt would cease to exist, in as much as 5 it would be gone.

Mars would be pulled further outward, coming dangerously closer to Jupiter's influence Every 3.5 years as the orbit of Mars beings it to its closest approach henceforth Jupiter would pull it further out from its place.

Earth would be on a slightly increasing elliptical orbit, Jupiter would be affecting Earth's orbit with less force, yet each year as Earth and Jupiter are at closest approach, Earth would swing a tad further out. Venus would be the least affected by Jupiter, and could have stabilized in its elongated orbit.

Mercury would be influenced by Venus and would elongate its orbit to the point where the solar wind of our sun would slow it down each orbit until Mercury would have fallen into the Sun.

3600 years later. Mars would be sweeping the inner edge of the Asteroid Belt, Jupiter's influence pulling Mars ever closer.

Earth would be baking during the 'summer' and freezing during the winter. Its elliptical Orbit would be the main reason for the season as it now skirts Venus's old circular orbit and gets as far as halfway to Mar's old orbit. Life is gone BTW having either froze or burnt.

The Third approach of PX would now cause at least one of the three inner planets to break from its elliptical orbit.

Mar's is the most likely having now reached a height of its orbit to be strongly influenced by PX. It would either be thrown into a spiral "downward" into the sun, or be thrown into an escape orbit tossing the planet out toward the outer solar system, or if conditions are just right PX would capture Mars.

Earth's orbit would have to wait another round. Venus on the other hand being as close as it is to the sun and moving as 'fast' as it does relative to the orbit of PX could be thrown outward or sent into a downward spiral.

Assuming very good luck, the effect for all three planets is minimal thus they only suffer more elongation of their orbits.

A few hundred years later the influence of Jupiter on Mars would cause Mar's to pass the asteroid Belt's orbit (which would have no asteroids since they would have been either thrown further out or sent on a downward spiral, or be collected by the gravity of PX captured as temporary moons before they spiral inward to crash on PX.

Earth now skirts well beyond Mar's initial orbit, its course is more like a comets instead of a planets. Its closest approach to the sun puts it well within the orbit of Venus (as we know Venus's orbit). Venus itself is also following a similar trajectory, coming as close to the sun as Mercury used to.

The fourth passing would indeed be the last passing for the inner planets. Mars would be the first affected, most likely thrown outward, potentially being pulled apart by the gravity tides of PX if not Jupiter. A low probability exists that Mars could be captured by Jupiter or PX.

Earth's orbit would be so elongated that it could either be captured by PX or Jupiter or it would burn up in the sun.
Venus's orbit would bring it too close to the sun, it too would succumb to the solar wind, its orbit decay and it would burn up in the sun.

Within 5 orbits of a near inner solar system object as large as a gas giant would be enough to clean out the terrestrial planets.

Assuming 3600 years per orbit, in as short as 180,000 years the inner solar system would be empty of any planets.

This is how we know that PX as described by such notable individuals as the woman who listens to voices (Nancy Leider) that PX as described by them can not exist.

We have the math to predict exactly what would happen. And further we have discovered planetary systems with large gas planets that describe an orbit as proposed by the PX theory, and all evidence upholds the math and an empty inner system.

All of the "predicted" effects that Nancy and her kin predict of a theoretical inner solar system approaching Gas Giant would not take place. No shifts, not huge tides, not even a single earth quake.

In order for those effects to take place PX would have to come in much further into the solar system (Pass Mars, Closely approaching Earth Orbit).

In this case it would take only 1 orbit to perfectly frell the machinery of the orbits of the planets.

After its initial passing all of the inner planets would be on highly eccentric elliptical orbits. So much so that life would cease to exist here on Earth. The potential of planetary collisions increases with a near certainty that the gravitation of the inner planets would further skew each others orbits. By the second passing Mercury would have long fell into the sun, and the other remaining three would be flung outward, or inward, or be 'smashed' by tidal influences as Jupiter and PX "fight" over the terrestrial planets.
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Sorry, chores and just got back to this...

Hi Wraithwynd... So am I to understand that you think the whole Earthquake, pole shift, major upheaval talk is Not likely to happen at all, or are you just debunking PX?

PX, comet or just cyclic changes in our planetary system, it makes no difference What causes it... to some it obviously seems that Something having to do with extreme conditions is on the horizon. My interest is in being aware, informed of the possibilities and to have some clues to pass along to the kids (yeah, the ones that could care less about the new seed vault, think the economy is just in a slump and can't see the desperation in some of our politicos' actions).

Besides, anything I get ready for never seems to happen. I figure it's worth a shot, if ya know what I mean.
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The Anunnaki planet -- Some call it planet X -- orbits the sun on the opposite side from the earth. Its orbit is very close to the sun and puts it almost within the solar corona. It has gold dust suspended in its upper atmosphere which reflects heat and radiation from the sun, keeping temperatures on the surface quite cool. Especially on the dark side. This means the planet must orbit the sun once every 365 days just like the earth does, only its on the opposite side of the sun and invisible to us. The gold dust is the source of the myth that they came to earth to mine gold. They actually did the gold mining on the moon.
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Sorry, chores and just got back to this...

Hi Wraithwynd... So am I to understand that you think the whole Earthquake, pole shift, major upheaval talk is Not likely to happen at all, or are you just debunking PX?

PX, comet or just cyclic changes in our planetary system, it makes no difference What causes it... to some it obviously seems that Something having to do with extreme conditions is on the horizon. My interest is in being aware, informed of the possibilities and to have some clues to pass along to the kids (yeah, the ones that could care less about the new seed vault, think the economy is just in a slump and can't see the desperation in some of our politicos' actions).

Besides, anything I get ready for never seems to happen. I figure it's worth a shot, if ya know what I mean.
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I do not think anyone knows exactly what will happen once this assumed thing in space passes earth by. All we know is it can be catastrophic however we do not know on what level. All we can do is pray for mitigation.
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The Anunnaki planet -- Some call it planet X -- orbits the sun on the opposite side from the earth. Its orbit is very close to the sun and puts it almost within the solar corona. It has gold dust suspended in its upper atmosphere which reflects heat and radiation from the sun, keeping temperatures on the surface quite cool. Especially on the dark side. This means the planet must orbit the sun once every 365 days just like the earth does, only its on the opposite side of the sun and invisible to us. The gold dust is the source of the myth that they came to earth to mine gold. They actually did the gold mining on the moon.
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spock
Hmmmm... I can't seem to wrap my head around that one. Doesn't seem like That would cause any cyclic planetary chaos here... just sayin'.




I'm still chasing links and doing some reading on this. Appreciate the responses and don't mean to ignore anyone, but wow! there are a Lot of diverse thoughts about Earth changes out there!
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Live in the moment
all the planning may be useless,depending on the scenario.

Mountains may grow over night and lands will sing beneath the seas.

The area around lake Titicaca rose 5000 feet and the Vedas claim the Himalayas grew over night.
Atlantis ws swallowed by the sea.
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Re: Let's assume that Planet X is real...
Live in the moment
all the planning may be useless,depending on the scenario.

Mountains may grow over night and lands will sing beneath the seas.

The area around lake Titicaca rose 5000 feet and the Vedas claim the Himalayas grew over night.
Atlantis ws swallowed by the sea.
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Yep it's coming there is nothing you can do if it happens...Just hope it is quick





GLP