2 acre AI controlled vertical farm better than 720 acre flat farm!

You are the poser , sorry you are threatened by a vertical farm. Try to act like an adult in the future during discussions.

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If the power goes out, you got compost.


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You may want to read the several thousands of research papers regarding soil nutrient depletion and the resulting loss of contained plant nutrition.

Plants can survive in horrendous conditions and end up providing very little nutrition, particularly required micronutrients, to the consumers.

Unless the farm is adding things like selenium, chromium, etc, eating a "healthy salad" from this source will lead to malnutrition.

I'm a farmer, let me help you.

Soil is not just an anchor for roots. It serves the same purpose for the Earth that lungs do for animals. Soil is the most important ecosphere on land, there are more living organisms in an acre of soil than there are animals living on the surface of the Earth. We no longer have massive herds crossing the landscape creating new composts for the rebuilding of soils- only regenerative farming creates tilth. Without farms the damage to aquifers would occur on a scale that would be unimaginable.

Listen, I could do this for hours, in fact I do it all day every day of my life. You have no concept of what farming is about, but the micro greens and lettuce these operations- while nice to have on your plate- represent only a small fraction of what farms produce. You don't know anything about food or where it comes from, what is required to maintain health or just how little these type of industrial agriculture operation contribute to the overall well being of the end user. Look around you, are people becoming healthier and more fit thanks to the geniuses who promote the industrialization of a natural system? Can you be honest with yourself for just moment and reflect on how fat, sickly, allergic and compromised humans have become since we started down this dead end of outsmarting Nature?

Lettuce and insects aren't going to "feed the world" and the decision to champion these kinds of systems for anything other than supplementary production is a fever dream of the same kinds of people who have brought about this nightmare dystopia we're living in today.

I looked into something similar 20 years ago for NYC.

We had ideas if using compost teas as a source for nutrients. Lettuce would be grown in light soil, which would help. But overall there was no way to make it as healthy as something planted in the soil. Box potatoes are awesome, but again, missing important micronutrients.

OP you do realize this is bullshit?

There's a reason they don't mention the price of the end products in the article or literally do not mention COST!

Think about it. A flat field in the middle of nowhere. Vs a climate controlled AI controlled robotized tower.. What the field loses in yield it makes up for in cost efficiency.(once again that's why your article does not mention price or costs).

But theres another problem, your AI climate controlled vertical farm appears to be limited to what looks like cress and parsley or perhaps algee that disgusting spirulina shit that vegans expect to live off.

But wait theres more! Your vertical farm produces food that is devoid of minerals because it lacks proper soil, and does not have animals grazing and shitting on the soil to renew its nutrients. So the quality of its food is FAR LESS than that of a real organic farm.

You stick to eating lettuce and pond scum i will carry on eating real food like stake,bacon, fish, eggs, potato, cheese, milk etc.

Nice video and a nice farm. I wish these farms were everywhere instead of factory farms or God forbid these high energy input concrete farms.

Watch this channel to find out everything involved in running a farm, and let me tell you its far far far far far far far far far more involved than what these labcoat wearing goons are doing in your vertical farm. Its real world farming growing real foods that your vertical Ai farm cannot grow!

And that Laura looks so healthy because she does not live on salad, she eats real organic meats and food.

Fail thread

REAL bowls of LETTUCES! Potatoes, Tomatoes, Rice, Melons, Cucumbers...NADA!!! We're NOT rabbits!

Excellent! Now there will no longer be a population problem as there will be food enough for everyone!

Two acres is easier to destroy than seven hundred and twenty! That is good news!

Cool stuff.

But the numbers are totally bogus.

You can’t claim hundreds of times greater yield just because you layer your farm vertically instead of horizontally.

Some farmers have the acreage, and while it is easier to use robots vertically, there is no way this equates to a 400X yield.

If you eliminate the fact that vertically is even necessarily so special, and realize that space is still space, then the equation probably becomes more like 2X yield...

How do you know exactly every nutrient a plant needs? How much research has been done with every mineral requirement besides the basics? What is the uptake of nutrients from soil vs hydroponics? Does every plant grow hydroponically? How do we know a company(since these are not farms) are providing all the nutrients? Is there a hydroponic test or certification that guarantees nutrient density?

Just questions running through my mind. Just wait until large companies buy up the hydroponic companies to get rid of their toxic sludge like they are doing in other industries.

I can see it now. The FDA allows so many toxins ppm in hydroponics in the future.

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so true ..lets see them try to pasture cattle vertically

Lab meat. Yummy.

Lol! Only so much sunlight can be gathered. That's the limitation on it all. No way the energy of sunlight falling on 720 acres can be gathered by this setup.

So simplistic... doesn't work. There's a lot more to it than duh... nutrients. Best produce comes from a living soil, which includes micro-organisms. Using the word 'random' is just to debase the idea of a field grown plant. I grow my own veggies and I know there's a big difference.

the world is full of idiots, and this thread shows how few of those idiots know or have even heard of hydro, or aqua ponics

you do know that plowing fields destroys micro organisms, right?

oh, you didn't know that.

ok

do you have the slightest idea that 90% of what you are eating was depleted of nutrients over 40 years ago? and that "modern" farming keeps thing sprouting with 2-4 minerals?

Minerals in agriculture are found in the soil. ... They need minerals like potassium, phosphorus, and nitrogen. These minerals can be found in the fertilizers fed to the plants. Minerals in the fertilizer are transferred into the plants.


The majority of soils in the world used for mass farming were depleted of natural minerals decades ago.

The problem, JUNIOR, is you literally have NO clue about...

ANYTHING.

So JUNIOR...

Looks like some REAL veggie heads/AGRIpeople weighed in...

And guess what?

It sounds they are recommended you STOP SMOKING the CRACK PIPE of TOTAL BS...

Of your supposed VERTICAL CHEMISTRY set.

AM I DONE?

No JUNIOR...

It gets MUCH worse!

I am ALSO a hardware design/software development EXPERT.

Let's talk AI.

From what I've seen... It's what was called in the 80/90s VAPORWARE.

You got your MARKETING GLOSSY overview...

But what is the REALITY?

But WHAT is the HARDWARE?

Is it a RAIL SYSTEM with the robotics suspended?

Is it side mounted?

Is it INDIVIDUAL independent mobile units?

How does that affect your access aisles?

Are your robot nodes going to use OPTICAL systems or some type of by rote plant location system based on offsets from a starting point?

EVERY decision you make IMPACTS the ENTIRE methodology of EVERY facet of your proposed operation.

What is the INFRASTRUCTURE for all the hardware support you will NEED to accomplish the specific set of tasks for EVERY different type of crop.

What are the full range of operations that are going to be performed at the INSANELY complex number of operations that are going to be needed.

Is the OPERATION going to be feed by a nursery and you will be transplanting starts into your medium?

What is going to be the plant rotation?

What is going to be the estimated growth period staggering based on projected maturation rates?

Agribusiness is INCREDIBLY sophisticated!!!

If you were involved with a MONOCULTURE operation like running 5,000 acres of CORN... (Which is SO much less complicated.)

You need to adjust the SEED BASE to be OPTIMIZED for your field profiles.

You NEED to target specific fields for specific start date ranges.

Plus MANY more action items that need to be accounted for...

What does that have to do with a controlled environment such as your DIY grow setup?

EVERYTHING.

Replace the word fields with the word beds and you are dealing with the EXACT set of circumstances and PLANNING that need to be executed correctly.

The ONLY free pass you get is WEATHER considerations.

How and what DATA collection operations are you going to be using to MONITOR your ACTUAL performance vs your PROJECTED performance...

Say in terms of yield, wastage, unforeseen deFACTO gotchas!

For purposes of a discussion of this type... There are people that actually KNOW how to get IMPLEMENTATIONS done...

And then there are BS wannabes such as yourself.

If you're serious about this PIPE DREAM... You NEED to talk to people who actually do your EXACT type of agribusiness you are contemplating and ACTUALLY TALK and most importantly LISTEN to what they have to say, what their focus is, the gotchas they will attempt to keep you from stepping in...

If you keep underestimating how difficult FARMING is...

You are going to lose a LOT of money.

FARMING takes NO PRISONERS.

But yet... THEY KEEP THE WORLD FEED.

And for God's sake start SIMPLE.

See ya JUNIOR.

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after modeRNA vaccine with rat dna you will be rodent anyway....totally vegan apart from the genocided human derived pink slime used for your soylent biscuits..
you will die to eat death people

Good farms restore their soil. Look up restoration agriculture.