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bitofreason User ID: 46598154 United States 04/22/2015 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the future of farming. The only way I see in the future to grow healthy foods will be in closed loop systems. The water savings alone is worth it. The ability to end chemical run off is a huge plus. The unstable magnetic field, ozone issues, radiation, aluminium, and salt toxicity all pose huge issues in traditional farming in the future. My hope is that it will not become a totally automated system, removing the human element. That is one of the most overlooked nutrients plants need. We could provide many jobs and great food is we built these around every city. Lowered impact due to less travel to market and more nutritious food. The less time from harvest to table provides for higher nutritious value. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68944062 United States 04/22/2015 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The world's largest vertical farm is being installed in an old factory complex in New Jersey - it will produce 2 million pounds of produce per year, use 95% less water and be 75 times more efficient than open fields. Quoting: Adam's Ale [link to weburbanist.com] There is one white male pictured in the promo so I'm going to assume he's gay. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33812630 United States 04/22/2015 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in NJ and have told people to do this FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS! Newark and Camden have had a HUGE ongoing urban development program and is throwing money at people who can bring business to them. I use to work up at Bell Atlantic (then Verizon) up there and was involved in personal projects as ab investor in my off time. It's a no brained and you're going to see this start popping up everywhere. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 52010212 United States 04/22/2015 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the future of farming. The only way I see in the future to grow healthy foods will be in closed loop systems. The water savings alone is worth it. The ability to end chemical run off is a huge plus. The unstable magnetic field, ozone issues, radiation, aluminium, and salt toxicity all pose huge issues in traditional farming in the future. My hope is that it will not become a totally automated system, removing the human element. That is one of the most overlooked nutrients plants need. We could provide many jobs and great food is we built these around every city. Lowered impact due to less travel to market and more nutritious food. The less time from harvest to table provides for higher nutritious value. Quoting: bitofreason 46598154 the future what about the vertical gardens of ancient past? Like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28536112 United States 04/22/2015 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep. Also, a soil less environment has been repeatedly shown to produce less nutritious fare and the subtle richness of a fruit or vegetable is lacking. It's like a multi-vitamin supplement cannot exactly produce the nutrient composition in a piece of fruit. Also this type of growing does not rule out the possibility of mutagenesis (which is not even on the radar screen and just as bad) or use of GMO seed. If they can capture the correct wavelength of light that exactly replicates a growing season (which normal LED's do not have) and can reproduce soil micro and macro compositional and nutrient content ideal for the produce at hand (which currently it does not,) it might work beneficially, but I don't think technology is quite there yet. I have yet to see a REAL (not a marketing tool via video, images, display, or mock-ups) aquaponics system that is without problems, including problems of sustainability. There are still significant inputs in knowledge, money, time, and energy. In my opinion, if growers do not establish for themselves a core set of values (indepedent of green multi-national corporations)then ALL artificial technologies and methods of growing food in the name of sustainability will mean that all that we produce in the name of food will become less and less natural, diverse, and hardy over time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69006118 United States 04/22/2015 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How organic can it be using water from New Jersey? I was a kid when the bags of garbage came up on the Jersey Shore and lived near Cyanamid. On the flipside, they can heat the factory by burning old tires and garbage for heat during the winter. For the people that don't get Jersey humor, my first job was working a farm in Somerset County that is long gone and covered by strip malls and track row housing. A better idea, instead of vertical farms in NJ, is simply get NJ to turn cannibal and feed themselves that way. |
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User ID: 42788026 United States 04/22/2015 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep. Also, a soil less environment has been repeatedly shown to produce less nutritious fare and the subtle richness of a fruit or vegetable is lacking. It's like a multi-vitamin supplement cannot exactly produce the nutrient composition in a piece of fruit. Also this type of growing does not rule out the possibility of mutagenesis (which is not even on the radar screen and just as bad) or use of GMO seed. If they can capture the correct wavelength of light that exactly replicates a growing season (which normal LED's do not have) and can reproduce soil micro and macro compositional and nutrient content ideal for the produce at hand (which currently it does not,) it might work beneficially, but I don't think technology is quite there yet. I have yet to see a REAL (not a marketing tool via video, images, display, or mock-ups) aquaponics system that is without problems, including problems of sustainability. There are still significant inputs in knowledge, money, time, and energy. In my opinion, if growers do not establish for themselves a core set of values (indepedent of green multi-national corporations)then ALL artificial technologies and methods of growing food in the name of sustainability will mean that all that we produce in the name of food will become less and less natural, diverse, and hardy over time. This "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." - I AM Vote for people that have a track record for loving your Constitution or lose your country forever!!! Put down the damn touchy feely koolaid and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!! :militia: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28536112 United States 04/22/2015 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How organic can it be using water from New Jersey? I was a kid when the bags of garbage came up on the Jersey Shore and lived near Cyanamid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69006118 On the flipside, they can heat the factory by burning old tires and garbage for heat during the winter. For the people that don't get Jersey humor, my first job was working a farm in Somerset County that is long gone and covered by strip malls and track row housing. A better idea, instead of vertical farms in NJ, is simply get NJ to turn cannibal and feed themselves that way. Oh yea...about the water antibiotics, and other toxic shit!! Until the EPA gets "wind of it" on the burning of tires! OMFG. Yes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42476791 Canada 04/22/2015 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They tried this in another abandoned factory in NYC maybe ten years ago, and were bankrupt within a year. At the end of the day, it's all about energy input and output, and it's hard to compete with the sun in term of efficiency. The advancements in red/blue LEDs may help there, though. The challenge is that it doesn't take much to disrupt large scale hydroponic environments. Dirt and sun provide a "buffer zone" that disappears when you move indoors. Mechanical failures rapidly lead to crop failures, and pathogens move through a facility rapidly when the rest of mother nature isn't there to balance them out. In the end, the solution isn't concentrating agriculture into big centralized solutions like this, any more than the solution to our monetary problems is central banks. It's decentralization, with everyone doing their part and growing what they can where they can, rather than relying on these kinds of solutions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28536112 United States 04/22/2015 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They tried this in another abandoned factory in NYC maybe ten years ago, and were bankrupt within a year. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42476791 At the end of the day, it's all about energy input and output, and it's hard to compete with the sun in term of efficiency. The advancements in red/blue LEDs may help there, though. The challenge is that it doesn't take much to disrupt large scale hydroponic environments. Dirt and sun provide a "buffer zone" that disappears when you move indoors. Mechanical failures rapidly lead to crop failures, and pathogens move through a facility rapidly when the rest of mother nature isn't there to balance them out. In the end, the solution isn't concentrating agriculture into big centralized solutions like this, any more than the solution to our monetary problems is central banks. It's decentralization, with everyone doing their part and growing what they can where they can, rather than relying on these kinds of solutions. I agree with all your points here. I am more interested in efficient ways of growing in difficult environments. There are old time farming books that have tremendous insight on creating oasis in less than ideal environments... Things that pop in my mind are things like simply orientations, height and depth, interactions with weeds and plants, dew ponds, use of waste woods to create soils and minimize water evaporation....the list of old-time growing techniques is vast and most of them ARE efficient and sustainable. It's working with the environment at hand instead of creating artificial environments. |
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User ID: 742097 United States 04/22/2015 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How organic can it be using water from New Jersey? I was a kid when the bags of garbage came up on the Jersey Shore and lived near Cyanamid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69006118 On the flipside, they can heat the factory by burning old tires and garbage for heat during the winter. For the people that don't get Jersey humor, my first job was working a farm in Somerset County that is long gone and covered by strip malls and track row housing. A better idea, instead of vertical farms in NJ, is simply get NJ to turn cannibal and feed themselves that way. I live in New Jersey and my water is from a pristine, ancient aquifer derived from a Canadian glacier. I see wildlife everywhere that was simply not visible 20 years ago (I put that down to the trickle-up effect of the banning of DDT). I ride on a motorcycle all over this state and it is a gem. Old tires and garbage have to go somewhere, but seeing the trajectory in NJ in the past 20 years, we'll figure out a novel and efficient solution for that, too. I get Jersey humor ... keep it up and let people think it's a disgusting urban wasteland here ... that way there will be fewer dumbass rednecks clogging up the roads and beaches. When the shit hits the fan and the end is just nigh, will you cry out to Heaven? Will you lie down and die? Not me, my dear one - THIS IS MY SACRED LIFE - to no one nor no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead she will go, or if sweet Mother Earth he'll remember? - Sug |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65039319 United States 04/22/2015 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post OP thanks :) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10114418 With solar panels, rain water collection (still legal here) and lED lights this is a very cost effective way to grow food. So tell us genius, where and how and with what energy source are these globe saving solar panels made? What are the manufacturing inputs, the net energy expenditure and the time and money required to recoup, excluding cheating, such as government incentives? Thought so. |
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Stop the inanity! User ID: 64083145 United States 04/22/2015 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course there is. herd the chattel into the cities, restrict their movements, and then feed them aeroponic/hydroponic food that is still more likely than not going to be of the GMO variety in order to grow faster with less water/air/light than natural crops, all the while the elites who still have freedom of movement are eating the truly organic, nutrient rich foods grown in the earth like nature intended. Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Reapportionment Act of 1929! Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be. Restore the Republic. Thread: The Bill of Rights does NOT include age requirements! It's a flower, not something to be feared. - Moo! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42476791 Canada 04/22/2015 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've also yet to see one of these projects produce anything more than greens. They're barely able to produce leaves, much less an actual vegetable. Man cannot live on lettuce alone. They'd be better of turning it into a giant oyster mushroom facility. They'd get more calories and vitamins out of the same energy inputs, and in the process could convert waste paper from the area into usable compost in order to rebuild nearby soil to sustain real crops. |
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