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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75908859 United States 12/27/2020 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79692097 styrofoam veg Are you a real Tard? Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants.. That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79229108 United States 12/27/2020 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless Quoting: mr dull socks So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H) And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni) What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area. I dont know anything about farming but years ago i heard a guy CLAIM that food today, a banana for example, does not have the same nutrition it did decades ago. And not asking for personal opinions on this. I find that hard to believe since food grown in less than ideal conditions will not look the same. So better ways to do thing i can believe. |
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Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it isnt "real". you can isolate anything, but it doesnt make it the orginal thing. what makes the original thing, is the combination of components that make it up. when i said "a replication of an actual organic, i.e. not real" i was referring to the ENTIRETY of the organic thing. not the isolated components. But answer me this genius, since you seem to think you are smart. how exactly does a plant work? how exactly does it convert light into energy? Since you seem to think you know it all this should be easy for you to explain. i'll wait. Quoting: mr dull socks Holy crap dude, look it up on Wikipedia or whatever. It's called photosynthesis, and the exact series of chemical reactions and cellular processes is extremely well understood. Have you just emerged from a bunker that you've been in since 1950 or something? Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
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User ID: 79679709 12/27/2020 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Until they are out of energy. Also, as mentioned in comments, they use renewable energy so solar panels acreage should be added here. Quoting: dmk Tower architecture makes putting panels on the outside surfaces practical and efficient. No additional horizontal acreage needed. How is solar sustainable and efficient? How are batteries made and how long do they last? Look it up. Who does your thinking? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79805544 12/27/2020 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no it isnt. it is one thing to "grow" food. it is another for the food to have nutrients that sustain life. they are growing edible styrofoam. it is good for nothing. so what if they can grow it faster. Quoting: mr dull socks Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense. then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients. I do, and you're 100% WRONG. |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rabbit food, Deer and cow food maybe. Quoting: Chaz Aldrin Look at the whole set up -- Over the top Cost budget. What a WET DREAM All startups consume cash at a high rate, that's the cost of innovation and invention. Once it's fully figured out, the unit cost of building production farms will plummet. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
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User ID: 79649609 United States 12/27/2020 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless Quoting: mr dull socks So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H) And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni) What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area. You can chemically introduce all of these nutrients into a hydroponic environment but they are synthetic (a replication of an actual organic, i.e. not real) the only way to truly grow nutrient rich food is in organic, decomposing soil. You cannot replicate thigs like microorganisms, bacteria, worm casting, and fungi in a hydroponic environment. Can you grow a ton of food? yep. but the food isnt any good. What about a Hydroponic environment with the right ecosystem of fish in a pond with dirt and water plants, crayfish..etc? that would be an organic environment, i have seen hydroponic systems like this. they actually produce really good food. but they are complex and expensive to maintain. |
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User ID: 79649609 United States 12/27/2020 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no it isnt. it is one thing to "grow" food. it is another for the food to have nutrients that sustain life. they are growing edible styrofoam. it is good for nothing. so what if they can grow it faster. Quoting: mr dull socks Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense. then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients. I do, and you're 100% WRONG. no i am not. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79805544 12/27/2020 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79692097 styrofoam veg Are you a real Tard? Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants.. That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition. They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world. |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is solar sustainable and efficient? Quoting: oiko How are batteries made and how long do they last? Look it up. The sustainability of solar etc is an entire subject on it's own. Suffice it to say, for the purposes of this thread, that a vertical farm can be built much closer to it's customers, doesn't produce toxic emissions (unlike a flat farm), isn't affected by climate changes, can be run fully automated etc etc. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79805544 12/27/2020 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Computronium Rex™ Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense. then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients. I do, and you're 100% WRONG. no i am not. Really? Let's start with this statement of yours, "Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required" Care to explain and back that claim up, because you can't. |
mr dull socks
User ID: 79649609 United States 12/27/2020 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79692097 styrofoam veg Are you a real Tard? Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants.. That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition. They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world. or it is science... "This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. " [link to www.researchgate.net (secure)] |
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Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Front line worker. Already got mine ;) Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54053053 United States 12/27/2020 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is solar sustainable and efficient? Quoting: oiko How are batteries made and how long do they last? Look it up. The sustainability of solar etc is an entire subject on it's own. Suffice it to say, for the purposes of this thread, that a vertical farm can be built much closer to it's customers, doesn't produce toxic emissions (unlike a flat farm), isn't affected by climate changes, can be run fully automated etc etc. How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79285670 United States 12/27/2020 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless Quoting: mr dull socks So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H) And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni) What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area. So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil? |
mr dull socks
User ID: 79649609 United States 12/27/2020 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: mr dull socks then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients. I do, and you're 100% WRONG. no i am not. Really? Let's start with this statement of yours, "Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required" Care to explain and back that claim up, because you can't. thats because all you idiots are talking chemistry and i am talking the entirety of an ecosystem. idiots like you have myopic syndrome. you can only see the single thing you think you know, and you dont even realize it has very little impact on the entire ecosystem. You couldnt even begin to understand. |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54053053 Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79805544 12/27/2020 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you a real Tard? Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants.. That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition. They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world. or it is science... "This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. " [link to www.researchgate.net (secure)] FAIL Your link is to a study that only compares Organic farming to conventional farming. In a non-organic sterile hydroponic garden, any combination of elements can be provided to plants that could possibly be found in organic "soil". |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79285670 Oooh boy. Where to start? Check out this new thing called chemistry. Also look up synthetic biology, GMO's, industrial chemical production, etc. I know, some scary words in there, but you'll be ok. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54053053 United States 12/27/2020 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54053053 Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel. A farmer with a big budget (comparable to the linked video) could use a solar/battery tractor, or of course a team of horses, etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76891554 United States 12/27/2020 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Until they are out of energy. Also, as mentioned in comments, they use renewable energy so solar panels acreage should be added here. Quoting: dmk Tower architecture makes putting panels on the outside surfaces practical and efficient. No additional horizontal acreage needed. i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless Unless you know what nutes they are feeding with, it's not fair to say this. You can do what they are doing with organics 100%. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54053053 United States 12/27/2020 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79285670 Oooh boy. Where to start? Check out this new thing called chemistry. Also look up synthetic biology, GMO's, industrial chemical production, etc. I know, some scary words in there, but you'll be ok. See, you are talking about chemistry, but the real farmers are talking about biology. |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thats because all you idiots are talking chemistry and i am talking the entirety of an ecosystem. idiots like you have myopic syndrome. you can only see the single thing you think you know, and you dont even realize it has very little impact on the entire ecosystem. You couldnt even begin to understand. Quoting: mr dull socks You do know that farms, even "organic" ones, are not part of any ecosystem, right? Agriculture is an "unnatural" activity, and it subverts ecosystems utterly. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
mr dull socks
User ID: 79649609 United States 12/27/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75908859 Are you a real Tard? Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants.. That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition. They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world. or it is science... "This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. " [link to www.researchgate.net (secure)] FAIL Your link is to a study that only compares Organic farming to conventional farming. In a non-organic sterile hydroponic garden, any combination of elements can be provided to plants that could possibly be found in organic "soil". show me your study proving this |
Computronium Rex™
(OP) User ID: 77640655 United States 12/27/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See, you are talking about chemistry, but the real farmers are talking about biology. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54053053 I've been talking from first principles. Keep up. Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79285670 United States 12/27/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54053053 Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel. The problem is that fertilizers are petroleum base, and made by the same companies, sing the same materials that bombs are made of, which is not good. Still doesn't mean that this vertical farming concept is the answer. The answer is don't poison the soil with bomb making materials and farm "holistically" and nature intended. There is plenty of farm land but won't be if we destroy it with modern commercial farming methods. There is no need for vertical farming in other words. |