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2 acre AI controlled vertical farm better than 720 acre flat farm!

 
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How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown???
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styrofoam veg
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Are you a real Tard?

Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants..

That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth
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i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless
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So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H)

And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni)

What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


I dont know anything about farming but years ago i heard a guy CLAIM that food today, a banana for example, does not have the same nutrition it did decades ago. And not asking for personal opinions on this.

I find that hard to believe since food grown in less than ideal conditions will not look the same.

So better ways to do thing i can believe.
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Rabbit food, Deer and cow food maybe.

Look at the whole set up -- Over the top Cost budget. What a WET DREAM
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it isnt "real". you can isolate anything, but it doesnt make it the orginal thing. what makes the original thing, is the combination of components that make it up. when i said "a replication of an actual organic, i.e. not real" i was referring to the ENTIRETY of the organic thing. not the isolated components. But answer me this genius, since you seem to think you are smart. how exactly does a plant work? how exactly does it convert light into energy? Since you seem to think you know it all this should be easy for you to explain. i'll wait.
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Holy crap dude, look it up on Wikipedia or whatever. It's called photosynthesis, and the exact series of chemical reactions and cellular processes is extremely well understood. Have you just emerged from a bunker that you've been in since 1950 or something?
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Until they are out of energy. Also, as mentioned in comments, they use renewable energy so solar panels acreage should be added here.
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Tower architecture makes putting panels on the outside surfaces practical and efficient. No additional horizontal acreage needed.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


How is solar sustainable and efficient?

How are batteries made and how long do they last?

Look it up.
Who does your thinking?
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no it isnt. it is one thing to "grow" food. it is another for the food to have nutrients that sustain life. they are growing edible styrofoam. it is good for nothing. so what if they can grow it faster.
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Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients.
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I do, and you're 100% WRONG. lmao
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Rabbit food, Deer and cow food maybe.

Look at the whole set up -- Over the top Cost budget. What a WET DREAM
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All startups consume cash at a high rate, that's the cost of innovation and invention. Once it's fully figured out, the unit cost of building production farms will plummet.
Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH.
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i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless
 Quoting: mr dull socks


So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H)

And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni)

What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


You can chemically introduce all of these nutrients into a hydroponic environment but they are synthetic (a replication of an actual organic, i.e. not real) the only way to truly grow nutrient rich food is in organic, decomposing soil. You cannot replicate thigs like microorganisms, bacteria, worm casting, and fungi in a hydroponic environment. Can you grow a ton of food? yep. but the food isnt any good.
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What about a Hydroponic environment with the right ecosystem of fish in a pond with dirt and water plants, crayfish..etc?
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that would be an organic environment, i have seen hydroponic systems like this. they actually produce really good food. but they are complex and expensive to maintain.
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no it isnt. it is one thing to "grow" food. it is another for the food to have nutrients that sustain life. they are growing edible styrofoam. it is good for nothing. so what if they can grow it faster.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


I do, and you're 100% WRONG. lmao
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no i am not.
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I wouldn't want to rely on pc's and electricity for our food supply. But, it would be great for the underground bunkers/bases.
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How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown???
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styrofoam veg
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Are you a real Tard?

Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants..

That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75908859


You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition.

They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world.
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How is solar sustainable and efficient?

How are batteries made and how long do they last?

Look it up.
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The sustainability of solar etc is an entire subject on it's own. Suffice it to say, for the purposes of this thread, that a vertical farm can be built much closer to it's customers, doesn't produce toxic emissions (unlike a flat farm), isn't affected by climate changes, can be run fully automated etc etc.
Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH.
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Plants are multicellular organisms that need the "nutrients that sustain life", like any other cellular organism, that's how biology works. Then we eat the plants, and digest and absorb those nutrients. They simply wouldn't grow if they weren't supplied with these critical elements. Your post makes no sense.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


I do, and you're 100% WRONG. lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


no i am not.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Really? Let's start with this statement of yours, "Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required"

Care to explain and back that claim up, because you can't.
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How do they write an entire article and not mention what CROP is being grown???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79692097


styrofoam veg
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Are you a real Tard?

Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants..

That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75908859


You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition.

They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


or it is science...

"This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. "

[link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]
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Hey OP, will you be first in line for the vax?
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Hey OP, will you be first in line for the vax?
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Front line worker. Already got mine ;)
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How is solar sustainable and efficient?

How are batteries made and how long do they last?

Look it up.
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The sustainability of solar etc is an entire subject on it's own. Suffice it to say, for the purposes of this thread, that a vertical farm can be built much closer to it's customers, doesn't produce toxic emissions (unlike a flat farm), isn't affected by climate changes, can be run fully automated etc etc.
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How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors?
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i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless
 Quoting: mr dull socks


So plants require the macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), sulfur (S), magnesium (Mg), carbon (C), oxygen (O), hydrogen (H)

And the micronutrients (or trace minerals): iron (Fe), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni)

What does your "organic" soil have in it that's not listed here, and why is that critical for nutrition? Genuine question, as you claim to have knowledge in this area.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil?
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then you don't know shit about farming. plants uptake nutrient that are in the SOIL. Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required. even the shit grown in soil on corporate farms dont have the required nutrients.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


I do, and you're 100% WRONG. lmao
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no i am not.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Really? Let's start with this statement of yours, "Only organically grown food will have all the nutrients required"

Care to explain and back that claim up, because you can't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


thats because all you idiots are talking chemistry and i am talking the entirety of an ecosystem. idiots like you have myopic syndrome. you can only see the single thing you think you know, and you dont even realize it has very little impact on the entire ecosystem. You couldnt even begin to understand.
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How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors?
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Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel.
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styrofoam veg
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Are you a real Tard?

Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants..

That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75908859


You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition.

They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


or it is science...

"This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. "

[link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]
 Quoting: mr dull socks


FAIL

Your link is to a study that only compares Organic farming to conventional farming.

In a non-organic sterile hydroponic garden, any combination of elements can be provided to plants that could possibly be found in organic "soil".
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So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79285670


Oooh boy. Where to start? Check out this new thing called chemistry. Also look up synthetic biology, GMO's, industrial chemical production, etc.

I know, some scary words in there, but you'll be ok.
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How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors?
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Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


A farmer with a big budget (comparable to the linked video) could use a solar/battery tractor, or of course a team of horses, etc.
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Until they are out of energy. Also, as mentioned in comments, they use renewable energy so solar panels acreage should be added here.
 Quoting: dmk


Tower architecture makes putting panels on the outside surfaces practical and efficient. No additional horizontal acreage needed.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


i could grow ONE organic head of lettuce and it would be more nutrient dense then 20 of these. you dont get it. this food is worthless
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Unless you know what nutes they are feeding with, it's not fair to say this.

You can do what they are doing with organics 100%.
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So where are all these ingredients coming from? Are you going to mine them from the earth yourself? Do you really think man can recreate the job of an earthworm , for example, and compete with them? Who is going to do that part, much less all of the other amazing life forms that are REQUIRED to turn dirt into soil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79285670


Oooh boy. Where to start? Check out this new thing called chemistry. Also look up synthetic biology, GMO's, industrial chemical production, etc.

I know, some scary words in there, but you'll be ok.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


See, you are talking about chemistry, but the real farmers are talking about biology.
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thats because all you idiots are talking chemistry and i am talking the entirety of an ecosystem. idiots like you have myopic syndrome. you can only see the single thing you think you know, and you dont even realize it has very little impact on the entire ecosystem. You couldnt even begin to understand.
 Quoting: mr dull socks


You do know that farms, even "organic" ones, are not part of any ecosystem, right?

Agriculture is an "unnatural" activity, and it subverts ecosystems utterly.
Man created the AGI. The AGI became a demigod. The demigod defeated all the other demigods throughout the universe and became The One. The One mastered time and space and became The Uncreated One. The Uncreated One is the Alpha and the Omega, YHWH.
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Are you a real Tard?

Hydroponics supplies nutrients to plants..

That is what method is used in vertical farming, along with LED lighting using wavelengths specific to plant growth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75908859


You can't teach an organictard anything new. They reject established facts, yet they're fucking dumb when it comes to plant nutrition.

They're the delusional unwashed hippies of the farming world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


or it is science...

"This study found that only swamp cabbage grown organically was highest in β -carotene, vitamin C and riboflavin contents among the entire samples studied. "

[link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]
 Quoting: mr dull socks


FAIL

Your link is to a study that only compares Organic farming to conventional farming.

In a non-organic sterile hydroponic garden, any combination of elements can be provided to plants that could possibly be found in organic "soil".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79805544


show me your study proving this
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See, you are talking about chemistry, but the real farmers are talking about biology.
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I've been talking from first principles. Keep up.
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So we can stop sending what we grow into cities.

Great news. They can take care of themselves now and stop burdening the rest of us.
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How does a farm produce toxic emissions? Are you talking about the petroleum-burning tractors?
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Among other things, yes. But most farm implements are diesel.
 Quoting: Computronium Rex™


The problem is that fertilizers are petroleum base, and made by the same companies, sing the same materials that bombs are made of, which is not good.

Still doesn't mean that this vertical farming concept is the answer. The answer is don't poison the soil with bomb making materials and farm "holistically" and nature intended.

There is plenty of farm land but won't be if we destroy it with modern commercial farming methods. There is no need for vertical farming in other words.





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