If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

That sounds like a question to ask. Only a few know the actual answer as to why it occurred there.

The question seems so basic. Someone screams for 40 seconds. People are going to come out and look. Witnesses will appear. Why allow anyone to scream for so long?

The emotional stage has been set from day one. Majority, like 99.999% of people who believed GZ was guilty from the start, will not change their minds under any circumstance, including if the jury of his peers finds him not guilty. They have pent up anger against the whites and if GZ is found not guilty, you will see the anger let loose.

What's really messed up is that he isn't even white, but the blacks don't care, they see this as their opportunity to finally get even against the whites. I hope I'm wrong in this summation, because I believe it could get really ugly and out of hand quickly.

What they are doing is extortion. They are threatening the communities that if GZ walks, they will riot and cause great destruction and even threats of death have been tweeted and posted on forums, against the whites. In the end, I don't think whites will put up with it this time.

When you say majority, I assume you mean a majority of the minority. It makes no sense otherwise.

It can go badly simply because young African-americans are not remembering history. "Uppity" the way it was used in the 1960's and the suppression tactics used, I would not like to see again. There needs to be another Martin Luther King instead of Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. King was the real leader.

As an aside, the "white" races can be pretty brutal if forced back to their roots. Don't poke a sleeping bear.

I mean a majority of the people who think he was guilty from the media manipulation, the ones who don't even consider such a thing could even happen, the majority who had their mind made the very first report they heard of the manipulated 911 call where it portrayed GZ as a racist using racial slurs.

No I don't mean a majority of the demographic makeup, as white vs. black/hispanic, just the majority who fell for the lies in the beginning.

Agree on your other points. There are plenty of prominent black leaders I'd vote for, but they don't get the time of day from the liberal racist media. You see, the white reporters that have black guests on their show are manipulated and coerced, shut down because of guilt for speaking their true opinion. This is institutionalized extortion and it's accepted by the media. Not sure what their agenda is. I really do not understand their stance on all of this. Maybe they are just naive.

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There is a pervasive thought among the "urban community" that "whites" are weak, mindless and helpless.

I absolutely hate having to say this, I really do ... but these uncivilized "factions" of an otherwise noble people are going to one day bite off more than they can chew.

It's pathetic to think that as a mere 14% of the US population (of which maybe half are young enough and of the screwed up mindset to participate, so, perhaps 6%-7% of the population) honestly think that if the other 75% ("white folks") + 10% (Hispanic) would not be a threat to their mindless "cause" if they all got fed up with being pushed into a corner.

This Zimmerman case might just be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. Something I do not desire to see.

Lastly, just as a personal lament; It broke my heart to watch my mother in her final years, she spent the 60s marching and fighting for equality for everyone based on their character and who they were as a human being. It was a belief that was instilled within me pretty much from birth.

In the last years of her life, she actually looked up at me with so much guilt there were actual tears in her eyes while she said, "I almost regret fighting for equality now, such a wasted potential."

I miss my mom very much, but am glad she's not having to witness this crap any longer.

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BY the way, I meant to say earlier "welcome back!"

I hope you are mistaken. My neighbors have approached me to prepare for civil disturbance. I live in one of the better cities in America, but they are preparing as if it is the worst. These normally peaceful folks have bought an amazing assortment of protective firearms, enough for everyone in their family including the kids!

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Now what is this? Just found it. Here's a news report when results of voice analysis experts was first reported on news. One of the experts claims additional things can be heard of Zimmerman and Martin on tape during 911 call. He claims Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away", which we know, but then after that Zimmerman says "but not under me". The expert also claims that Martin is heard begging for his life.

And I do hear "but not under me" right after "these assholes always get away"! I'm blown away. I did not expect to be able to hear any of them but do hear the above! It surprised me that I could hear it. I need to listen several more times to see if I hear all the other things the voice expert claims (all very damaging to Zimmerman) were said because didn't hear those when I just played it.

This is new to me. Have heard the 911 call from the NEN numerous times but not this enhanced version where allegedly both said other things not audible on NEN audio. Has anyone heard this before? Does anyone else hear "but not under me" or any of the other things the expert says is there? Listen here:

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That is some bullshit right there.

A neighbor did hear the screams and come out, he called 911 and testified on the stand that Trayvon was on top of George.

Absolutely 100% correct!

I thought the same before I listened to it! But I heard what I heard when I did listen to it! But thanks for your intelligent response.

it's so subjective and irrellavent which is why you won't hear any attorneys bring it up. I can hardly even understand your point but I'm pretty sure it's stupid.

I listened to it too, and I didn't hear anything close to what you heard. Why didn't the prosecution present this as evidence? Because it's wishful thinking. It's pareidolia.

Well, I just learned a new word ... thanks, dude.

You're welcome. It's funny how the amateur prosecutors have all this evidence that wasn't presented in the trial. Do you not think that if the prosecuting attorneys thought they had a racial or a profiling motive they would have brought it up by now? That's why the Martin attorneys came out at the beginning of the trial and said it wasn't about race. The prosecutors told them to



It's going to get ugly I believe. Like others have said, best to prepare for what's coming.

Thank you for posting. I am sure you do not understand my point. As for whether or not it is stupid, the universe can decide.

Thanks for posting!

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How many people think that this was a pre orchestrated event that was totally planned and part of the plan was to make a mockery of it all in order to further in rage those of us who have been the victim of police brutality and their unsavory tactics to serve as a possible catalyst for something even bigger ? This is most likely connected to Sandy Hook, the Dark Knight shootings and the Gabby Giffords shooting. It's all leading up to something.
Here in St.louis we recently had the military practing on how to drive and maneuver TANKS on city and suburban streets ! What for ?

This is all leading up to something big



March 11 , 2013 /FORBES

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.  It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition.  As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month.  Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.  In America.

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On topic much?

Ok, I take that back , you seem like a reasonable enough person. I Appologize for calling you stupid. Let me see of I understand what you were saying , does it havats omething to do with a teenager fighting a grown man ?

Ever step back and look at the big picture ?

This was not just a random act of violence , why do you think so many people are so intrested and passionate about this Paticular inncedent over every other one that we here about every day ?

Z thought he was smarter than the Law. He thought he knew how stalk and kill and be exonerated under stand your ground laws.

Z met M scream because he got off on Iit. It made him feel manly and powerful. He was the pudgy little guy whose boxing coach calls him "soft". He was violent with his girlfriend. Can't you see him unable to stop tu king tail in a ring with a man but acting like king king at home with a girl? Nice guy. When he realised pushing women around has consequences he hatched another plan. If indeed the screams were trayvons, that was the best part for Zimmerman.

It's possible z screamed for help because he premeditated his murder. It's possible he got beat down by the teenager.

Just be glad he will never be a cop.

I've answered this a few times, not sure if I have on this thread, but willing to do so again.

I've been watching the trial live via stream pretty much since it started. Then, I dunno kinda like an "experiment", I flip over to the news outlets on the TV after the day's testimony is over and watch in amazement while they spin a yarn that is almost completely opposite of what I witnessed with my own eyes all day.

This thing has caught my interest since the very beginning when the media picked it up and spun it into a total lie.

Something just ain't right here.

Speculation and conjecture is not evidence ... it's barely an opinion.

I belive you may be right when you say that he "got off" on beating him and hearing him scream. Btw , he was also convicted of assault on a police officer.

Why does Wikipedia have a page on this which is longer than most countries? I understand public intrest and all but I have no doubt in my mind that this was pre orrcrustrated inorder to further enrage & divide the masses.

This case is so cut and dry that's why they didn't hold him and let him free , to piss people off. He's a grown man walking around w/ a gun loaded with HOLLOW POINT BULLETS and he wasn't even on duty. He went looking for trouble which is Probobly what he lives for. Nothing about what Travon was doing that night sounded suspicious to me whatsoever. Zimmerman knew if he shot him at such close range w/ those hollow point bullets he would almost be sure to die , so what if Trayvon was getting the best of him , he was mearly defending himself and I very much doubt that he was looking to hurt Zimmerman as much as he could. Besides , what kind of man would kill a kid just because he got beat up ? Do I think that's what happened , not exactly , I think "they" picked him to be a patsy because he was perfect for the job. They may have instructed him to kill Travon that night. The timing of this inncedent and all the others is just to much of a "coincidence". We all know that the verdict of this case has the potential to cause violence.

Media manipulation. They should go to jail for such.