If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

Thank you for your effort. I still think the legislature had some reason for including the word "particular" in there. It would be interesting to read their legislative notes on that.

Maybe he was raping him first

Gee, I wonder if there is some kind of agenda?

I think you may be being less than serious, no?

Did you know... that handwriting is not taught or used anymore at least in certain schools and grades? Some kids now cannot read cursive!

There is good chance it could have been Zim screaming because he bit off more than he could chew, but then he remembered he was strapped and then there was no witness.

Yes, and it is shocking, but is it relevant to the question? I want to have an answer. It just makes no sense from a Trayvon is victim Zimmerman is hunter point of view.

I heard today on CNN that initially, when Treyvon 's father heard the scream recording for the first time he declared it was not Treyvon screaming in the recording.

What I wonder is why he would call and ask for the police to come if he was planning on killing him? Why on earth would someone want the police to come if they knew they were going to commit a crime?

Trust me when I tell you that if you are going into a dicey situation, you think about your defensive capabilities before you enter the zone.

I have two ideas.

I have studied the marks on the back of Zimmerman's head from the very beginning. Unfortunately I know exactly what someone's head slamming into the concrete looks like, far more than I want to know, but I know.

And when I first saw the marks I knew that that was not from slamming into concrete. Then I noticed something when I watched a video. I noticed a metal cover in the grass near where Travon's body was found. It was pointed out in one of the videos. I think THAT is what happened. I think Z thought he was on the sidewalk and was squirming to get off the concrete -- but it was not the concrete - it was that metal cover. It would have made a loud sound and felt like concrete, but it was not. He has little cuts on his head...and I think those are fingernail scratches and metal scratches from that lid.

Now, I think Z is innocent because I think Martin was probably stoned and looking for trouble, etc.

But much more troublesome: In Germany before Hitler, the government was always trying to play the races against each other -- it was much easier to take over a country and take rights away when people were fighting amongst themselves.

Certainly we have the technology to determine who was screaming -- but for whatever reason the government or PTB want us to squabble amongst ourselves. That is why the prosecutor refused and the police chief quit.

Some people are smart enough to figure this out - some are not. We certainly have a huge problem in this country -- but this is only the symbol of it.

What to do. What to do.

Good question.

You can just tell who is a darkie lover and who isn't on this thread.

Some of the delusional answers here are just laughable.

Ah, you want to go into government motivation? Perhaps a crowd control problem in several regions bringing about the need to have military disarm major portions of the populace for public safety and the good of the country. Of course, this would be described as just a temporary measure, and all weapons seized would be returned when the emergency had passed.

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Hell, if he was going to murder Martin, why engage in hand to hand combat when you have a gun?

Perhaps, but be kind. Most everyone feels that they are being honest in their beliefs.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman was not the aggressor?

dude hes not being charged with pre-meditated murder..its not like he was thinking he was gonna kill him. What he was thinking was, "Oh man, a young african american guy is walking down the street by houses,(duh), he must be up to no good. Oh yea, im night watch! I need to do my so heavily relied on and upmost respected duty as nightwatch guard!" So he goes up to trayvon all gung ho like and like anybody trayvon martin reacted. GZ couldnt handle an ass whoopin and resorted to shooting the kid when he had no business messing with him in the first place! The 911 operator TOLD him to stop following him and leave him alone and the police are on their way. Another good point i have, when you go to classes for being able to conceal and carry, the most important topic of discussion is this...Only to use your weapon if you absolutely need to because most likely you are going to kill the person you use it on. Also, always try to GET AWAY from the conflict. So therefore, when GZ tried saying to the operator that after he was following MARTIN for a couple minutes,(MARTIN realized some creep was following him and decided to see what was up) that martin then stopped, stared at GZ and started following him. GZ shouldve then tried to GET AWAY and AVOID CONFLICT AT ALL COSTS, like they teach in CCW permit classes. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. But most likely it wont happen, cause we all know the agenda here. At least some of us do.

Someone following you does not declare your life is in danger. The boy confronted GZ, and referred racially calling him a creepy ass cracker. GZ did not have a gun drawn or made an overt threat. Evidence shows TM confronted GZ, in the dark, and whooped his arse. GZ could have drawn that gun, but did not, until after screaming, no one came to help him. He had already called the police. TM never called the police.

Being beaten by another, who (GZ states) makes an overt threat, while beating his head into cement, is grounds for defending his life. And, I believe what GZ stated....that TM was reaching for his gun, and said, "you're gonna die tonight mo-FO!" Had GZ not grabbed that gun first, he'd be dead. Guaranteed. And, the story would have only made the local news.

Everyone, quick! Get into your basements and lock the doors, Trayvon Martin is on the prowl!

I love all of the paid shills in this thread. People actually believe that Trayvon Martin didn't instigate the whole thing? Brainwashed sheep.

A look into George Zimmerman's past shows that he was not a racist at all. The attempt to label every partially-white man as racist when it fits an agenda is going to backfire here. White people are sick of it.

Dude,

I've been carrying concealed carry for years, and while I can tell you that I was not pleased by this situation, I also believe that if Zimmerman was on the bottom and felt that he would die or suffer serious injury, then the law in many states absolves him.

I've been approached by guys with knives ready to rob me (must look like an easy target) but before they closed past 15 feet I have been able to convince them to pick another target without exposing my firearm. Older guys are street smart and pick up on signals as they approach. I don't think Martin had this ability honed yet.

I think we also have to make some allowance for error in Zimmerman's recollection. If he was stunned by the blows, his ability to qualify and quantify the encounter would probably be impaired.

Thank you for posting. Love your avatar!

Did you even see the picture of george zimmermans head injury?! Did it look like his head was BEATED into CEMENT??? And if you believe what you said is true, " Someone following you does not declare your life is in danger." Thats what GZ is using as his reason for going in with the conflict and doing what he did. I swear i dont see how some of these people actually believe that GZ should be innocent..like seriously

You are so far detached from reality, it's a good thing that breathing is automatic, because otherwise, I don't think you would have the necessary brain power.

Typically clueless eurotard/eurotrash.

I understand your point.