If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

I agree that being followed is unnerving. I've had robbers try to close on me. The secret is to not allow distance to be reduced beyond 15 to 20 feet, keeping as much buffer space as possible between you and the other person. Distance is time. Time to determine motive; time to run.

I think youre the paid shill or a brain-washed sheep. Are you even following the right case? Cant you put the pieces together?

It's impossible to even IMAGINE how people like you come to the RIDICULOUS conclusions that you do, but I'd be willing to bet that YOU fit the very description of the innocent people that you besmirch with you idiotic assertions.

Hey! Let's play nice and discuss kindly.

We've already learned a whole lot watching the trial which you are not obviously.

A time table was established based on video from the store, phone calls and witness accts. This thread is very entertaining with all it's conjecture and outright bullshit.

GZ stated TM jumped out & attacked him in the dark. Evidence does not show GZ attacked him first while watching his direction in the beginning, when he first called 911.

There was a witness, Mr. Good, who corroborates Zims
story. Once Zim's life was in danger, according to the law, he had every right to defend himself with deadly force. It looks like it was Travon who bit off more than he could chew, though, got to give him credit, he didn't scream for help or cry at the end.

Let's just put this controversy to rest.

If you do the exact same thing to me, that Treyvon did to Zimmerman, you will end up in the exact same condition as Treyvon.

End of story... Libscum.

I largely agree with you, but I think we should honestly try to turn this thing into something leading to better understanding between races. On both sides. we all desperately need that.

Most violence-loving killers don't cry or scream.

Didn't know that. Wonder why that is.

Kindly, the defense attorney stated during arguments in court that an exacting time table was not known. Or did I mishear?

I've tried that a million times. Libtards don't respond to reason, common sense, or playing nicely.

I five-starred your thread. What more do you want?

Actually he did say he was black when the operator asked him..go listen to the tape again. Secondly,if the neighborhood had several break-ins and what not, then the POLICE shouldve been patrolling the area, not armed citizens. Where is all the taxpayers money going in sanford?! Third, when he turned around and walked off, which i dont think happened because if that was the case none of this would be happening, GZ shouldve ran away and knew that something bad probably wouldve happened if he was suspicious of Trayvon in the first place. Ok so u say 40 seconds of screaming blah blah blah, how are you screaming for 40 seconds when you say Trayvons hands were covering your mouth and nose??? The screams i heard werent muffled or anything. Sounded like clear screams for help to me. And you make another one of my points yet again..if GZs head is getting pounded into something so hard that it causes him to see stars and feel like youre about to pass out, how the fuck do you react to un-holster your gun, cock bag and pull the trigger not once but twice in two different spots seperated by a good 10 inches or so. And where the hell are the serious injuries that would come with such an act of aggression such as concussions or cuts or anything?? What that picture showed was a damn scratch on his head! GOLLY did you even think about and read what you just typed?!

cause it wasn't martin who was screaming.

What you just typed has nothing to do with the point that YOU, YOURSELF, were trying to make. Nor did it have anything to do with my response to your original opinion. Please PLEASE look at the facts and compare and contrast and you will see what makes the most sense and is what most likely happend..its right in front of you.

I'm conservative, but believe we need to get back to the times when all worked together for the good of the country and the future.

I thank you for your support and appreciate your honesty, just hope that you can call someone a bastard with more finesse.

There's been a massive, concerted, coordinated effort to lead to a 'better understanding between the races' for the last 50 or 60 years.

It hasn't worked, and has generated the exact opposite of its stated intent.

What the media has done with this case is going to make it even worse. But the longer the inevitable war between races is put off, the worse the damage will be. That's not the politically correct thing to say, but it's true.

The different races cannot peacefully and constructively coexist. That's just nature, and nobody is going to be able to overcome that.

Exactly, if i was being followed like trayvon was, my reaction would be to focus on the person thats following me and be prepared.

I have a suggestion OP. A bunch of us have been following the trial from the beginning. All of the threads are here and if you look through them you will find answers to your questions.

Or, you can go to Youtube and see parts of the trial there. Court resumes on Monday, if you are interested join the thread and watch the trial.

I am being ornery on this thread because I am getting so sick and tired of people spouting opinions as facts without ever having watched any of the trial, do not base your opinions on the news, it's way biased.

Around here we don't have a truce with bad guys. "Oh excuse me Mr Bad Guy, I have to load my gun. I need a time-out."

"Sorry, Guy! I didn't realize that. Sure I'll wait!"

We carry with one in the chamber, ready to go. Either the trigger is double action with a hard first pull (I suspect Zimmerman's was this way) or you have a safety which is switched off to fire.

In Houston recently a 53 year old man killed a 34 year old soccer coach with one blow to the head. No one can tell you how many or how few blows it takes for one man to kill or seriously injure another

Trayvon was just outside the apartment where he was staying and yet he didn't go inside.

He ended back down the row of apartments confronting Zimmerman.

Doesn't sound as though he was afraid of him at all.

More important to me than the screaming, why would Zimmerman let Trayvon break his nose FIRST if he planned to shoot him all along? That's a little more painful that I think a reasonable person would be wiling to invest.

It is NOT illegal in any way to follow somebody, walk behind them on a public sidewalk and even watch them. Zimmerman had every right to be where he was when he was attacked by Trayvon and beaten.

Are all those elderly people in Florida now going to be expected to FIGHT off young thugs just to be outside?

No way is that going to fly and who are the only ones who want that kind of environment in the first place? Savage thugs who want to roam where they will and punch whomever they please.

Wrong... You would carry your ass HOME!! ASAP

He was like ..20 ft from his dads place wasn't he?

I don't watch news and rarely watch television. I study knowledge, people, and the interaction of such.

I ask an obvious question and want someone in the trial to ask and answer it. It is not a spurious or specious question; it deserves to be made known.

Yes but instead of going inside, he ran back down the row of apartments and confronted Zimmerman.


We will NOT cower in our homes and cars because some young Trayvon is strolling through!

It's NOT going to happen. Get over it.

Yes going home is the logical move, but being aware is smart for anyone, whether they be of good or bad nature. Everyone made bad choices that night.

When the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following T he said yes. She said "you don't have to do that" he said "ok". Then the police wanted an address so George walked to the area at the end of the sidewalk to see if he could see a street sign.

At this point, Zimmerman did not know where Trayvon was. When George turned to walk back to his car is when T attacked him.

Listen man, if you think you are a man and you feel as if you can defend yourself if you ever came across a time you needed to, you wouldnt just run away asap. You would stop and look at the person that was following you. Which is what trayvon did and its what i wouldve done also.

They were holding one up today and the defense took exception to one time. It is probably not exact but damn close.