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If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

 
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Wrong. The examiner stated the clothing was in paper bags , which is proper procedure . The defense asked him about plastic , to which the examiner said " If anyone were to used plastic, they would be fired immediately".
 Quoting: MyOpinion


He testified that he did not know and ASSUMED that paper was used because that's procedure.

I'm sorry, but the DNA guy testifying that the clothing was packaged in plastic and smelled of mildew is not "wrong" as you claim.

You're doing what I've seen you do on every thread, misstating things as you want them to be, not as they are.

Again, proving that you've not been watching the trial, just picking up filtered information. Who told you this data that is WRONG? Sharpton on MSNBC?
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Your still wrong on this one. Now go to bed.
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Wow, you're sure stubborn ... and condescending to boot.

Here ... go to 29 minutes and see the testimony for yourself ... then you can come back and apologize for being wrong when you insist that the DNA expert didn't testify exactly as I'm telling.

But you won't ... just like every other thread, once you're proven wrong, you just go silent.



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I gave your red karma back to you. How immature to pass along red karma because someone shows you your errors. Enjoy.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Why do you lie? I mean seriously.. The threads I comment on are mostly about this trial. Who exactly do you think you are ? If I comment on a thread I certainly DONT just leave without returning lol? Anyone can view my comments , so you sir are not being truthful. Ive watched this video at 29 minutes and Im adult enough to say I was wrong. You however will never receive an apology. Ive watched this trial every chance I get. It was my misunderstanding to whom you were talking about. I was referring to the medical examiner Dr.Bao . You sir are the one being condescending here.
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Why do you lie? I mean seriously.. The threads I comment on are mostly about this trial. Who exactly do you think you are ? If I comment on a thread I certainly DONT just leave without returning lol? Anyone can view my comments , so you sir are not being truthful. Ive watched this video at 29 minutes and Im adult enough to say I was wrong. You however will never receive an apology. Ive watched this trial every chance I get. It was my misunderstanding to whom you were talking about. I was referring to the medical examiner Dr.Bao . You sir are the one being condescending here.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


I stand corrected, then. You are not running away. Good for you.

Thing is, it took the evidence being shoved in your face after you lashed out with your passive aggressive crap for you to concede you might be mistaken about something.

As for my being condescending, I didn't start that until you had to pull out your little "now go to bed" statement. That had me take the gloves off ... and believe me, I could be a LOT more scathing if I wasn't restrained by my religious beliefs.

I won't get into a pissing match with you. Nor will I bother correcting you when you are in error in the future because it's evident that you will resort to passing on red karma and then making backhanded comments when anyone does so. I mean, you're making great effort to be cordial in your reply here, but anyone with any intelligence and social awareness can see your latent hostility underlying your words. Looking at your long list of red karma comments, it seem I'm not the first to notice this.

You should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect and determine whether or not this applies to you, madam.

Go in peace and I do hope you have a great day.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 07/07/2013 03:00 PM
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Try opening you mind and eyes

Otherwise, your mind is closed and shut to reality and facts elude your Teflon coated mind.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


I think you misunderstand the original post.
 Quoting: Professional Amateur


No misunderstanding here is my post again

Simply because Martin’s mama swears the voice is that, of her felon son does not make it true and in fact, George Zimmerman’s mother has made the same claim. I suspect that somewhere during the investigation, the cries for help were compared to Zimmerman and if it were indeed not his voice then the entire world would know.

Remember that the prosecution is delving far into George Zimmerman’s life trying to manufacture anything that might stick against Zimmerman while Martin criminal past cannot be revealed which means Zimmerman’s defense is hobbled by pandering to Martin.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot

Have you never argued the negative to point out the illogic of a position? It is a little more poignant than sarcasm or satire.

It is a maneuver of finesse, more art than method really, so I can believe and understand if you missed the point.
 Quoting: We Who Watch


The written language is a poor media to experiment with, as you cannot employ clues better derived from a verbal presentation to obtain meaning or humor or any other device. Unless I know you and can glean the twinkle in your voice or your written word the effect you wish to generate is lost because I must take your words at face value.
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Why do you lie? I mean seriously.. The threads I comment on are mostly about this trial. Who exactly do you think you are ? If I comment on a thread I certainly DONT just leave without returning lol? Anyone can view my comments , so you sir are not being truthful. Ive watched this video at 29 minutes and Im adult enough to say I was wrong. You however will never receive an apology. Ive watched this trial every chance I get. It was my misunderstanding to whom you were talking about. I was referring to the medical examiner Dr.Bao . You sir are the one being condescending here.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


I stand corrected, then. You are not running away. Good for you.

Thing is, it took the evidence being shoved in your face after you lashed out with your passive aggressive crap for you to concede you might be mistaken about something.

As for my being condescending, I didn't start that until you had to pull out your little "now go to bed" statement. That had me take the gloves off ... and believe me, I could be a LOT more scathing if I wasn't restrained by my religious beliefs.

I won't get into a pissing match with you. Nor will I bother correcting you when you are in error in the future because it's evident that you will resort to passing on red karma and then making backhanded comments when anyone does so. I mean, you're making great effort to be cordial in your reply here, but anyone with any intelligence and social awareness can see your latent hostility underlying your words. Looking at your long list of red karma comments, it seem I'm not the first to notice this.

You should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect and determine whether or not this applies to you, madam.

Go in peace and I do hope you have a great day.
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Ill pass on your suggested reading Sir. You have a great one as well.
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Why do you lie? I mean seriously.. The threads I comment on are mostly about this trial. Who exactly do you think you are ? If I comment on a thread I certainly DONT just leave without returning lol? Anyone can view my comments , so you sir are not being truthful. Ive watched this video at 29 minutes and Im adult enough to say I was wrong. You however will never receive an apology. Ive watched this trial every chance I get. It was my misunderstanding to whom you were talking about. I was referring to the medical examiner Dr.Bao . You sir are the one being condescending here.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


I stand corrected, then. You are not running away. Good for you.

Thing is, it took the evidence being shoved in your face after you lashed out with your passive aggressive crap for you to concede you might be mistaken about something.

As for my being condescending, I didn't start that until you had to pull out your little "now go to bed" statement. That had me take the gloves off ... and believe me, I could be a LOT more scathing if I wasn't restrained by my religious beliefs.

I won't get into a pissing match with you. Nor will I bother correcting you when you are in error in the future because it's evident that you will resort to passing on red karma and then making backhanded comments when anyone does so. I mean, you're making great effort to be cordial in your reply here, but anyone with any intelligence and social awareness can see your latent hostility underlying your words. Looking at your long list of red karma comments, it seem I'm not the first to notice this.

You should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect and determine whether or not this applies to you, madam.

Go in peace and I do hope you have a great day.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau

Ill pass on your suggested reading Sir. You have a great one as well.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


ALL red karma has been because of my belief in this case. If you have investigated , as you claim its crystal clear. I don't need "friends "nor green karma on this site. Mearly stating MY OPINION Sir.
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I think you misunderstand the original post.
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No misunderstanding here is my post again

Simply because Martin’s mama swears the voice is that, of her felon son does not make it true and in fact, George Zimmerman’s mother has made the same claim. I suspect that somewhere during the investigation, the cries for help were compared to Zimmerman and if it were indeed not his voice then the entire world would know.

Remember that the prosecution is delving far into George Zimmerman’s life trying to manufacture anything that might stick against Zimmerman while Martin criminal past cannot be revealed which means Zimmerman’s defense is hobbled by pandering to Martin.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot

Have you never argued the negative to point out the illogic of a position? It is a little more poignant than sarcasm or satire.

It is a maneuver of finesse, more art than method really, so I can believe and understand if you missed the point.
 Quoting: We Who Watch


The written language is a poor media to experiment with, as you cannot employ clues better derived from a verbal presentation to obtain meaning or humor or any other device. Unless I know you and can glean the twinkle in your voice or your written word the effect you wish to generate is lost because I must take your words at face value.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Most got the point, but not all, and that is all right because not everyone is the same, but all are equal in the sight of GOD, or so it is said, yet even now I digress, and things happen unnoticed due to the passage of time and our lack of omnipotence, but we do rather well considering all we have to pass knowledge is speech and writing, and as you say, it is not always a perfect medium, yet here we are exchanging ideas on a forum with a worldwide following, and at times we get it right, but sometimes not so much.

Perhaps this is one of those times.

Last Edited by We Who Watch on 07/07/2013 09:38 PM
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Why do you lie? I mean seriously.. The threads I comment on are mostly about this trial. Who exactly do you think you are ? If I comment on a thread I certainly DONT just leave without returning lol? Anyone can view my comments , so you sir are not being truthful. Ive watched this video at 29 minutes and Im adult enough to say I was wrong. You however will never receive an apology. Ive watched this trial every chance I get. It was my misunderstanding to whom you were talking about. I was referring to the medical examiner Dr.Bao . You sir are the one being condescending here.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


I stand corrected, then. You are not running away. Good for you.

Thing is, it took the evidence being shoved in your face after you lashed out with your passive aggressive crap for you to concede you might be mistaken about something.

As for my being condescending, I didn't start that until you had to pull out your little "now go to bed" statement. That had me take the gloves off ... and believe me, I could be a LOT more scathing if I wasn't restrained by my religious beliefs.

I won't get into a pissing match with you. Nor will I bother correcting you when you are in error in the future because it's evident that you will resort to passing on red karma and then making backhanded comments when anyone does so. I mean, you're making great effort to be cordial in your reply here, but anyone with any intelligence and social awareness can see your latent hostility underlying your words. Looking at your long list of red karma comments, it seem I'm not the first to notice this.

You should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect and determine whether or not this applies to you, madam.

Go in peace and I do hope you have a great day.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau

Ill pass on your suggested reading Sir. You have a great one as well.
 Quoting: MyOpinion


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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
So, Dad Martin stated (before) that was NOT his son screaming. Noticed how defense carefully, asked Mom Martin who was present in the Mayors office, when she listened to the tape recording of this call. Notice that she carefully paid attention....because I knew where O'Mara was going with this. Dad Martin was in the Mayors office with her. She states on the stand, that no one told her what she was going to hear that day (bs...who would go to the Mayors office, and not ask, "what are we here for?)then, she says she never had conversations with her ex-husband about this call. BS....that is their kid. Of course they would talk! It's common sense. This Mom, lost her son, and that's a tragedy. But, I do believe, this Mom is lying under oath. She has been well advised, that if Z is the one screaming, then that holds her son accountable for his own demise.
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You dont have children.

No father wants to head his son screaming minutes before his death. Read about the psychogical defence called "denial".

It doesntatter who was screaming. Trayvon might have screamed when he saw the fun. Or he might have screamed as he pounded zimmermans head. Or zimmerman might have been screaming as he walked up to trayvon and shot him in cold blood.

What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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No misunderstanding here is my post again

Simply because Martin’s mama swears the voice is that, of her felon son does not make it true and in fact, George Zimmerman’s mother has made the same claim. I suspect that somewhere during the investigation, the cries for help were compared to Zimmerman and if it were indeed not his voice then the entire world would know.

Remember that the prosecution is delving far into George Zimmerman’s life trying to manufacture anything that might stick against Zimmerman while Martin criminal past cannot be revealed which means Zimmerman’s defense is hobbled by pandering to Martin.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot

Have you never argued the negative to point out the illogic of a position? It is a little more poignant than sarcasm or satire.

It is a maneuver of finesse, more art than method really, so I can believe and understand if you missed the point.
 Quoting: We Who Watch


The written language is a poor media to experiment with, as you cannot employ clues better derived from a verbal presentation to obtain meaning or humor or any other device. Unless I know you and can glean the twinkle in your voice or your written word the effect you wish to generate is lost because I must take your words at face value.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Most got the point, but not all, and that is all right because not everyone is the same, but all are equal in the sight of GOD, or so it is said, yet even now I digress, and things happen unnoticed due to the passage of time and our lack of omnipotence, but we do rather well considering all we have to pass knowledge is speech and writing, and as you say, it is not always a perfect medium, yet here we are exchanging ideas on a forum with a worldwide following, and at times we get it right, but sometimes not so much.

Perhaps this is one of those times.
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Spin, spin lose - say what you mean as time is too precious to be fooling around with word games.
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What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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So if someone older and heavier than me is in a car and talking on a phone, it's self-defense if I break his nose and beat his head into the pavement?

Right.

The only thing Trayvon was trying to defend himself from was eventual prosecution. He attacked Zimmerman, and he got blown away...a fitting end for a ghetto thug who just attacked someone.
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What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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So if someone older and heavier than me is in a car and talking on a phone, it's self-defense if I break his nose and beat his head into the pavement?

Right.

The only thing Trayvon was trying to defend himself from was eventual prosecution. He attacked Zimmerman, and he got blown away...a fitting end for a ghetto thug who just attacked someone.
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Police sergeant taught me that if I am being stalked by someone who outweighs, outpowers me, outnumbers me, or has a weapon I am expected to hit first and allowed to use lethal fore.

Martin was being stalked.
He was outweighed.
He was outpowered.
He was outnumbered (he didnt know Zimmerman was talking to police and not criminal mexican drug cartel satanic negro sacrificing child raping maniacs).
He wE confronted with a weapon. We dont know if trayvon saw the weapon before he jumped, if he jumped.

The confrontation happened because a man choose to follow and stalk a teenager. This is threatening behavior. It would alarm any normal person. It would alarm me.

If a man follows me with a gun in his pants telling my location into a phone I Alild be reviewing all the ways I knew to kill him.

Id be screaming bloody murder as i killed him too

Zimmerman is one lucky little pudgy dude. He could have been killed. He should have been killed.

Of course we werent there and Its also possible zimmerman wasnt jumped at all but just walked up to trayvon in the rain, relished the sounds of his screams and shot him in the heart.
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Spin, spin lose - say what you mean as time is too precious to be fooling around with word games.
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But it gives me enjoyment, is legal, is moral, and thus has purpose to me.

In my previous post, I gave you a two paragraph answer with both paragraphs consisting of just one sentence. The first paragraph was 103 words long while the second was just seven.

After looking at your karma ratios, I think perhaps the game is yours. Thanks for bumping the thread.

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Z thought he was smarter than the Law. He thought he knew how stalk and kill and be exonerated under stand your ground laws.

Z met M scream because he got off on Iit. It made him feel manly and powerful. He was the pudgy little guy whose boxing coach calls him "soft". He was violent with his girlfriend. Can't you see him unable to stop tu king tail in a ring with a man but acting like king king at home with a girl? Nice guy. When he realised pushing women around has consequences he hatched another plan. If indeed the screams were trayvons, that was the best part for Zimmerman.

It's possible z screamed for help because he premeditated his murder. It's possible he got ppbeat down by the teenager.

Just be glad he will never be a cop.
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That may be the most delusional post I've ever read about the case. I hope you never operate a motor vehicle or heavy machinery.
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WOW! what trial are you watching? Active imagination there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28020353


Zimmerman was describes as "soft" by his trained.
Zimmerman was arrested for domestic violence.

Some people do hold an opinion that men who feel intimidated by other men are prone to violence against females and other smaller, weaker or more timid people.
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Police sergeant taught me that if I am being stalked by someone who outweighs, outpowers me, outnumbers me, or has a weapon I am expected to hit first and allowed to use lethal fore.

Martin was being stalked.
He was outweighed.
He was outpowered.
He was outnumbered (he didnt know Zimmerman was talking to police and not criminal mexican drug cartel satanic negro sacrificing child raping maniacs).
He wE confronted with a weapon. We dont know if trayvon saw the weapon before he jumped, if he jumped.

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Bullshit. You may only use force if you have legitimate reason to believe your life is in danger and you have no escape.

There was no 'stalking'. Following someone isn't illegal or a threat. We know that Zimmerman reported Trayvon's location, and as part of a neighborhood watch, that's exactly what's to be expected. Trayvon drew attention to himself by casing the neighborhood, and when he realized he'd been made, he attacked. ALL evidence points exactly to this, and NONE suggests otherwise.

Trayvon would have no way of knowing if Zimmerman was armed or not. He didn't find that out until well after he started beating Zimmerman. Considering the one-sided nature of he beating, Trayvon outpowered Zimmerman.

There was only 1 Zimmerman; Trayvon was not outnumbered. Being on the phone with someone does not increase his numbers; by that 'logic', Trayvon's hippo friend being on the phone made him 2 people. 3 if you factor in her immense weight.

Trayvon didn't want to be arrested, so he attacked Zimmerman. He told Zimmerman he was going to die. He beat Zimmerman's head into the ground and broke his nose. Zimmerman called 911 to tell them where he was, what he saw, and what he was doing. When the police investigator lied and told him there was video of the whole thing, he said 'thank God'.

The evidence does not support your hopes and dreams. Too bad.

The thug was wrong and he paid with his worthless, meaningless, crime-riddled life. Boo hoo. What a loss.
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What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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igconf

I do think he should have identified himself, though. But guess what? There's no law stating he has to.

Don't like it? Then move to FL and get the legislation changed.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 07/08/2013 03:51 AM
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Police sergeant taught me that if I am being stalked by someone who outweighs, outpowers me, outnumbers me, or has a weapon I am expected to hit first and allowed to use lethal fore.

Martin was being stalked.
He was outweighed.
He was outpowered.
He was outnumbered (he didnt know Zimmerman was talking to police and not criminal mexican drug cartel satanic negro sacrificing child raping maniacs).
He wE confronted with a weapon. We dont know if trayvon saw the weapon before he jumped, if he jumped.

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Bullshit. You may only use force if you have legitimate reason to believe your life is in danger and you have no escape.

There was no 'stalking'. Following someone isn't illegal or a threat. We know that Zimmerman reported Trayvon's location, and as part of a neighborhood watch, that's exactly what's to be expected. Trayvon drew attention to himself by casing the neighborhood, and when he realized he'd been made, he attacked. ALL evidence points exactly to this, and NONE suggests otherwise.

Trayvon would have no way of knowing if Zimmerman was armed or not. He didn't find that out until well after he started beating Zimmerman. Considering the one-sided nature of he beating, Trayvon outpowered Zimmerman.

There was only 1 Zimmerman; Trayvon was not outnumbered. Being on the phone with someone does not increase his numbers; by that 'logic', Trayvon's hippo friend being on the phone made him 2 people. 3 if you factor in her immense weight.

Trayvon didn't want to be arrested, so he attacked Zimmerman. He told Zimmerman he was going to die. He beat Zimmerman's head into the ground and broke his nose. Zimmerman called 911 to tell them where he was, what he saw, and what he was doing. When the police investigator lied and told him there was video of the whole thing, he said 'thank God'.

The evidence does not support your hopes and dreams. Too bad.

The thug was wrong and he paid with his worthless, meaningless, crime-riddled life. Boo hoo. What a loss.
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"Trayvon drew attention to himself BY CASING THE NEIGHBORHOOD..."
Proof Please.

"...when he realized he'd been made, he attacked..."
Proof Please.

"All evidence points to exactly this..."
Proof Please.

You are ludicrous in these assertations.

You would be kicked off the jury.

"Trayvon didn't want to be arrested, so he attacked Zimmerman."
Proof Please.

"Zimmerman called 911..."

That part is true.

But you've left out the part that the 911 Dispatcher told Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon, didn't you?

Do you have PROOF that Trayvon 'back-tracked' (away from his Dad's house) TOWARD Zimmerman?

Or, did Zimmerman follow Trayvon TO THE VICINITY OF Trayvon's FATHER'S HOUSE?

Where's the legitimate (police) 'schematic' diagram (map) showing that Trayvon 'back-tracked' toward Zimmerman AWAY from his Dad's house?

If Zimmerman did NOT FOLLOW TRAYVON ALL THE WAY HOME, and Trayvon DID initiate the hostile encounter by 'back-tracking' TOWARDS Zimmerman, this is a contradiction to what the 'star' witness states.

The 'girl' states Trayvon told her the creepy cracker had FOLLOWED HIM ALL THE WAY TO THE VICINITY OF HIS DAD'S PLACE.

AND that Zimmerman INITIATED the encounter by ASKING TRAYVON WHAT HE WAS 'DOING AROUND HERE.'

Did she make up ALL of her testimony? Including this?
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What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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I do think he should have identified himself, though. But guess what? There's no law stating he has to.

Don't like it? Then move to FL and get the legislation changed.
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Sometimes there is no time to give a warning, and you are correct that different states have different laws, which is why a prudent person would take courses on Florida gun laws.

In Texas it is required that you take classes, demonstrate firearm proficiency, be fingerprinted, and pass federal, state, and local background checks before you can be licensed for concealed carry. It is a "must issue" state, but it has a time consuming procedure which does not guarantee passing the many checks.

Here we are taught to avoid and defuse confrontations, to issue verbal warnings, and to flee if we can, but not fire warning shots. After September 1st we will be able to display a firearm in full view in a situation in which force or deadly force would be authorized by law. I guess the thought is that some bad guy might ignore verbal warnings, but believe his eyes.
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What matters is that Zimmerman was stalking trayvon and Zimmerman was fully muscled, heavier, older, armed, in a car and speaking to someone on the phone about trayvons location. Zimmeman never identified himself, as a neighbor or neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger and to defend himself.
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igconf

I do think he should have identified himself, though. But guess what? There's no law stating he has to.

Don't like it? Then move to FL and get the legislation changed.
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Sometimes there is no time to give a warning, and you are correct that different states have different laws, which is why a prudent person would take courses on Florida gun laws.

In Texas it is required that you take classes, demonstrate firearm proficiency, be fingerprinted, and pass federal, state, and local background checks before you can be licensed for concealed carry. It is a "must issue" state, but it has a time consuming procedure which does not guarantee passing the many checks.

Here we are taught to avoid and defuse confrontations, to issue verbal warnings, and to flee if we can, but not fire warning shots. After September 1st we will be able to display a firearm in full view in a situation in which force or deadly force would be authorized by law. I guess the thought is that some bad guy might ignore verbal warnings, but believe his eyes.
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D/FW here ... howdy neighbor.
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Houston here. Howdy back at ya!
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Now those are some strong thoughts.

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Spin, spin lose - say what you mean as time is too precious to be fooling around with word games.
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But it gives me enjoyment, is legal, is moral, and thus has purpose to me.

In my previous post, I gave you a two paragraph answer with both paragraphs consisting of just one sentence. The first paragraph was 103 words long while the second was just seven.

After looking at your karma ratios, I think perhaps the game is yours. Thanks for bumping the thread.
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Sparky test your dubious "karma" reality.
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Thanks to everyone for posting!
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