If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

The gun was ready to shoot with a round in the chamber.

Look at my post a short ways back. Time and distance is the key to defense or fleeing. Fight or flight is nature-instilled. Choose wrong and the outcome will usually be bad.

Sorry but thats wrong..zimmerman wasnt attacked from behind niether did zimmerman start walking away, he walked to look at a street sign and told them the street and a closest number. The operator than again told him the police were on the way and he didnt have to do anything. Zimmerman then made a remark saying, no they always get away. he said something else related to that too somewhere along the lines of this ones not getting away or something like that i cant seem to remember it right now. He definitely didnt get attacked by surprise and i honestly think he approached trayvon first and it escalated.

Forgive me if I have erred. No offense is intended on this thread, but answers to the question and similar ones I would appreciate. Even bad answers sometimes lead me to truth.

ok so the bullet was in the chamber..which isnt necessarily a good thing but i guess it is valid if you truly are using it for defense, or murder, or robbery, or anyhing where u would be ready to shoot. so thats a toss up. got an answer for any of the other FACTS that have been brought up during trial?

Then your thread title is misleading, it is not written as a question, more like a fact.

Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

Unfortunately you will not get the facts of the case presented at trial by studying knowledge, people and interaction.

Last Edited by geminilion on 07/06/2013 01:40 AM

Jumping someone is not defending yourself.

Trayvon hadn't been assaulted; there was nothing to defend against. Well, except for maybe getting caught in the act of burglarizing the neighborhood and being hopped up on street drugs.

Trayvon was casing the town looking for stuff to steal. His suspicious actions drew attention to him. He violently attacked Zimmerman. He was looking for trouble and he found it. It was his own doing. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, he'd most likely be dead right now.

The thug ate a slug, and he deserved it. The people have not only a right but an obligation to defend themselves, their neighbors, their property, and their towns. Otherwise, every neighborhood in America will end up like the south side of Chicago, with the thugs roaming the streets doing as they please, while decent law-abiding citizens are powerless to do anything about it.

I can understand that and agree with you there, but most men who were confindent and felt that they were tough and could protect themselves in general, wouldnt choose the flight option whether it be the right or wrong choice.

There is no evidence to support that, but plenty that supports the contrary.

Just because you WANT to believe one thing does not make it reality.

I did not say that I had not seen any of the trial, merely that I rarely watch television. A trial can be a fascinating study in people.

It is easy to infer things based on how loosely people communicate on forums, but I do try to be somewhat specific in my words and meanings, yet sometimes I fail.

I didn't say he was attacked from behind. Trayvon was almost to the unit where his dad was staying with his girlfriend and he doubled back to confront George.

I would want to keep an eye on someone who may be up to no good thinking the cops are on the way and I can tell them where he is.

Look, I'm not happy that the kid died, it's terrible. But I believe George used self defense and had no malice when he shot Trayvon.

I know, it's all good buddy. It's been a long day, it's hot, and I have terrible insomnia which can make me a raving bitch sometimes LOL

Guy he only had THC in his system lmao. Is there proof that he was burglarizing the neighborhood?? Im pretty sure thats just an assumption for whatever reason. He was on a walk to the damn store for candy and wasnt that far from his house at all and he was walking and talking on his phone with his girlfriend. If you look at my number and match it with the previous posts ive posted on page 4 and 5, you will see FACTS that have been proven and brought up at trial since some of what ive posted is part of George Zimmermans actual story and it doesnt match up at all. Im not gonna repost it all again but if you take the time and see what ive posted and actually go research it yourself to see if its true, you might think differently.

If you can join us on Monday, I think you might actually like it. A link is posted in thread so you can watch and comment in real time.

I absolutely understand your position. It is a frequent theme of healthy young men. As a man who has successfully and several times luckily evaded challenges long enough to grow older, may I humbly suggest that being macho is a poor excuse to give to Heaven's gatekeeper when he is surprised by an early arrival.

Trayvon had two of the three ingredients for this street drug in his pocket. he had posted he was going to use instead of pot.

I wonder if the autopsy tested for cough syrup.

Doubt it.

Besides the judge won't even let in the toxicology report showing what drugs were tested for and found present.

You know no one blocks a toxicology report if it's clean.

I've read your posts before. I know you are a good person. Challenged perhaps, as most of us are these days. Someone is calling in a lot of markers, and I think several of us can feel it.

I've actually got the heat beat this summer. I painted my roof white.

youre entitled to your opinion but GZ's story doesnt match up, injuries dont match up at all, they even said he was pretty much healed after 24 hours. Nothing matches up really at all, its compare and contrast man and what GZ says is not what matches with facts from dispatcher recording and how trayvon was shot twice and where on the body and how the gun was fired flatly on him with no pressure, as in it wasnt digging into his clothing against his body as testified by the analyst they had on the stand wednesday. You would think there'd be pressure since he was getting grounded and pounded,having his head beated in against the concrete so hard he was seeing stars and was gonna pass out, while screaming for help for 10-40 seconds while trayvon covered his mouth and nose with his hands.....yea.....

I appreciate that. I will make some time for that.

Zimmerman was a practicing catholic. What does that have to do with him besides his jewish sounding name.

I'm with you on this. Flagrant opinion is nice for its sincerity, but doesn't help the facts.

The question seems so basic. Someone screams for 40 seconds. People are going to come out and look. Witnesses will appear. Why allow anyone to scream for so long?

Im not saying i believe GZ attacked first or vice versa but there is evidence that GZ was not surprised if he was attacked first because he told the dispatcher "no, they always get away" and something along the lines of he wasnt going to let this one get away, i will go listen to the recording again and find out exactly. maybe you should go listen also. Although i do believe that with all the facts that dont match up with GZ's story, that he will still be found not guilty because that is what the agenda is. All hell will break lose the day the verdict comes in and it reads not guilty.

THC is a drug, and not one that poor sweet innocent Trayvon (model citizen) is legally allowed to take.

There's loads of evidence pointing to Trayvon burglarizing the neighborhood. Do you have proof that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation? Why, no, you don't, and you don't have any evidence that would even hint at it. But that hasn't stopped you from assuming it.

We do know that Trayvon was sitting on Zimmerman's chest and beating him, breaking his nose and smashing the back of his head into the pavement, and that there were no marks or bruises indicating that Zimmerman ever struck him. We know that Zimmerman was yelping for more than half a minute while he got pummeled. And we know that Zimmerman said 'thank God' when the police lied to him during their investigation and told him the whole incident was recorded on video.

We know that Trayvon's star witness, the 'girlfriend' couldn't read cursive, even though she was supposedly the person who wrote it. We know that Trayvon's dad said it was NOT his voice in the recording when first questioned about it. We know that the police and the DA did not see any reason to press any charges when investigating the evidence.

What you've suggested not only goes against the evidence, but it goes against all common sense and logic as well.

You must not of listened to testimony very well. His injuries were not all healed. Some of the swelling had gone down because of ice and bodies own ability to rapidly begin healing process. Also, you don't have to wait for fatal blow before defending yourself. I know I heard testimony from chief investigator or someone that gunshot was consistent with touching hoodie, but not pressed against skin which lines up with Trayvon stradling Zimmerman and hoodie hanging down. Only one shot was fired not two. From what I've seen things could not line up any more perfect than what Zimmerman says and evidence.

You dont drink lean with arizona dude. That was just ignorant and just shows you have no idea what the shit is. Codeine gets mixed with sprite..nothing else because its the best with sprite. Anyways, the toxicology reports of trayvon martin dont matter thats why they arent brought up in court. Trayvons dead not on trial. What he did in his private personal life has nothing to do with GZ on trial for murdering him. Just sayin

I do love the way some people don't have any of the actual facts or even know how many shots were fired but suddenly they're an expert on all things Zimmerman!

Not even worth the effort to refute.

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The first part is more information than I need. The second part might make a difference if it had bearing on why an encounter happened.

Look up all my posts on page 4,5, and 6. Those are actual FACTS brought up from trial on both sides of the case. Research them yourself to show i didnt just make it up because i actually HAVE been watching every minute of the trial since day one. Compare and contrast and why dont u actually try to use logic? I never said i assumed that GZ attacked first, you just assumed that i assumed that. I just pointed out the evidence that has been proven in trial that doesnt match up with what the defense and GZ say happened.

Yes, you have been busy! I applaud your dedication to the interest.