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The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.

 
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Biden believes he has to destroy America as a matter of National Security. He's giving free Cocaine to the first 100 people who convert greenbacks to yuan.
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OP I have one for you. If the CDS gets triggered by the failure to pay back the CDO's they will have to print more than we owe just to honor these CDS. Isn't that inflationary instead of deflationary like you're indicating.
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Will they just do a bail-in just like Cypress and Greece so they don't trigger the CDS. TIA
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I just looked into that. Dodd-Frank prohibits commercial banks from using bail ins as a way to meet CDS obligations.

Although it wouldn't surprise me one little bit to learn that there's a loophole.
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Thanks OP great thread. Did you see Tom Luongo's interview about the fed and the sec 2 days ago ?

He is saying the same thing
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OP I have one for you. If the CDS gets triggered by the failure to pay back the CDO's they will have to print more than we owe just to honor these CDS. Isn't that inflationary instead of deflationary like you're indicating.
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Will they just do a bail-in just like Cypress and Greece so they don't trigger the CDS. TIA
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I just looked into that. Dodd-Frank prohibits commercial banks from using bail ins as a way to meet CDS obligations.

Although it wouldn't surprise me one little bit to learn that there's a loophole.
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The FDIC only covered 250k as well.

We all saw how that played out.
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A CBDC backed on debt is useless. Well, I mean you can use it, may have to, but it is just fiat with a digital wrapper around it.

My 82 year old father said, "Why do we need a CBDC, I pay most everything digitally anyway."?

And yes, printed currency will stay around, at least for a while.



This all said. These CBDC's all sound useless.

UNLESS - Unless a powerful nation, like the USA, actually backs their Central Bank Digital Currency with BitCoin and precious metals. (or only BitCoin)

Read Softwar by Jason Lowery.

Not sure he recommends what I did above. BUT, he does recommend that the US back BotCoin and mine the heck out of it and ASAP. Otherwise, some other nation WILL.

My thesis is one sentence:
The first major nation to back their CBDC with BitCoin, wins!



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You're very close. The CBDC won't be backed by debt, according to the fed, but rather by the value of the assets on their balance sheet. In other words, the fed will own everything, and everyone will be happy.

That's the part that people aren't understanding is that the CBDC isn't just a way to simplify digital transactions of the dollar, it's the actual replacement of the dollar with an entirely new currency.

The fed is selling this as merely a digital system for transacting dollars, when in fact it's an entirely new currency, and the way they're muddying the waters is by pegging the CBDC to the USD. But it will no more be the USD than Tether or USDC is. And eventually, all dollars will cease to exist.

ETA: Oh and yes, I strongly favor the view that Bitcoin will be the new reserve currency. I believe that governments and central banks will transact with one another in Bitcoin, vs. taking each other's CBDCs.

The people who refer to Bitcoin as digital gold truly understand its real value and purpose. The people who criticize Bitcoin for its inability to scale simply don't get it.

Now it's entirely possible that Bitcoin is just a frontrunner of something else to come, so I'm not saying go all in on Bitcoin. That said, there are zero functional problems with Bitcoin, and it wouldn't really make any sense to replace it at this point.

ETA2: And just imagine the following scenario:

As the dollar deflates, BTC's price drops ever lower, until it crashes. What happens to the BTC in that scenario?

Well, some of it gets lost. If the value drops too low, people will just inadvertently lose their keys, or even think it's not worth the time to maintain them. Like when they throw away an old computer, they might simply think it's not worth their time to export their wallet.

Most of it will get sold. If the price crashes, people will try to get out. So the distribution will get more and more centralized as the price goes down, as retail investors bail and institutions buy the dip.

And then the price gets so low that the institutions fail. The exchanges and funds fail and default on their loans, and the banks repossess their assets, which include the coins they hold.

And then the banks fail and need to be bailed out of their crypto, so the crypto ends up on the fed's balance sheet.

So then the central banks end up with a majority of the crypto.
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Thank you for the reply. If I was The Fed, I’d get BTC as a vital part of the basket backing the FedCoin or whatever they call it. If their blockchain was attractive enough, countries, businesses and individuals from around the world would use it. Apart from the fed chair introducing Satoshi himself, I see no winning way around it. With China/Russia (Yuan), BRICS and even Iran and Saudi Arabia getting friendly, the USD dominance days are numbered. Until, like you said, there is something better. But there is not. Bitcoin is a potential ace in The Feds pocket. Heck, it may be from DARPA anyway.
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I think that's pretty much what's going to happen.

I think it's completely obvious that Bitcoin was from the NSA. Nobody knows who or what Satoshi Nakamoto is. Not even the dude who basically launched it.

After declaring cryptocurrency to be a defense article in the 80s, the NSA became the world's foremost expert on cryptocurrencies and blockchains. All the sudden they started publishing white papers with huge advancements in the technology.

It's pretty obvious what happened. They banned the cypherpunks and then recruited the best ones to work for them.

It would be interesting to know exactly how BTC got released out into the wild. Whether it was planned or possibly leaked. It's entirely possible that "Satoshi" was a pissed off cypherpunk turned NSA employee who took their research and leaked it as BTC. The NSA themselves might not know who he is. Or it might have been a planned release as part of their project that was approved. I'm sure one day there's going to be a movie about it.
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The fed is a total scam, utter garbage, lying, cheating, greedy criminal losers rigging the system 24/7 because they have no real talent to earn honestly. If you went to hell itself they'd have a more honest system..
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Oh yea, I think I just found the rub.

So banks sell CDS contracts on the secondary market. That transfers the risk to whoever buys it. Were the borrower for the underlying loan to default, whoever holds the CDS contract would have to pay out.

I can't pin down who holds most of them, but hedge funds and pension funds are apparently big buyers of CDS on the secondary market.

Google CDS assignment or CDS transfer.

Guess who does NOT have CDS on their balance sheet... The fed.
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Are banks issuing CDS now? I thought it was mainly hedge funds / independent traders. John Paulson invented CDS and made a few billion from them in the 2008 crash.
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Supposedly one study found that banks were behind like 80% of CDS originations. And it was only like 5 banks (the ones you would expect, the usual suspects that is).

But then the banks sell them on the secondary market so who knows where the liability actually lies. That is, if there's a credit event, who's actually holding the bag.

Apparently nobody really knows for sure. It could be pensions for all anybody knows.
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Biden believes he has to destroy America as a matter of National Security. He's giving free Cocaine to the first 100 people who convert greenbacks to yuan.
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How much cocaine? Asking for a friend...
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So inconclusion, this isn't QE

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Nice work OP. It's a bit long, but I think that amount of words was just necessary for the explanation. Unfortunately some of us are still not able to get it, but that's just too bad for them.

5 stars for trying.
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The coming war with russia/china is to cover up the fiscal robbery of the u.s by the banks which was allowed by corrupt politicians who got their cuts.

Second off, they want to replace the current system with digital and to do that they have to destroy the old system and they are doing it on purpose with no intention of paying off the debt.

The whole thing was a massive scam and setup from the start so the globalist through the IMF would end up owning entire countries, land, resources, people etc because corrupt politicians didn't spend responsibly. It was the plan for the last 40 years, maybe the last 80..

They won't do anything to stop or slow the financial collapse, this is the big one. At the end of the day all of us want to be holding tangible assets in land, precious metals, food enough for 2 years to ride this out and ways to defend yourself and your family because it will get bad enough where neighbours will be robbing neighbours and we may not have a stable 911/police system in place to deal with it.
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The shitstorm they will unleash may be beyond their control to steer. At least I hope so.
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Just like the movie Rollover, only worse!



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Cut wages of all Federal workers 10% across the board.
Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America.
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I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default.
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couldnt the us military just kill all the people/institutions the country owes money to?

asking for a friend
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The coming war with russia/china is to cover up the fiscal robbery of the u.s by the banks which was allowed by corrupt politicians who got their cuts.

Second off, they want to replace the current system with digital and to do that they have to destroy the old system and they are doing it on purpose with no intention of paying off the debt.

The whole thing was a massive scam and setup from the start so the globalist through the IMF would end up owning entire countries, land, resources, people etc because corrupt politicians didn't spend responsibly. It was the plan for the last 40 years, maybe the last 80..

They won't do anything to stop or slow the financial collapse, this is the big one. At the end of the day all of us want to be holding tangible assets in land, precious metals, food enough for 2 years to ride this out and ways to defend yourself and your family because it will get bad enough where neighbours will be robbing neighbours and we may not have a stable 911/police system in place to deal with it.
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The shitstorm they will unleash may be beyond their control to steer. At least I hope so.
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bump ity bump
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I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default.
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couldnt the us military just kill all the people/institutions the country owes money to?

asking for a friend
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And crypto?
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Cut wages of all Federal workers 10% across the board.
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Cut the pensions of all fed, state, and local government employees, and then people will take notice, until then it'll be crickets and lipservice.

No one else gets pensions after working years at their job time for a reality check.
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Fantastic post OP, I know enough to know you know what you're talking about.

I find it odd that MSM has been trying to get us to sell stocks for a year now. So I'm doing the opposite.
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I wanted to wait for some more data to come in before making this, but it suffices to say that rumors of the fed pivot on social media are greatly exaggerated.

Charts of the fed's balance sheet have been circulating that look something like this, and people have been proclaiming the return of QE and monetary inflation.

https://imgur.com/rJgQYvT


People are predicting that the fed has already pivoted and that the money supply is about to explode again like it did in 2020. Maaaaaybe, but maybe not! Or maybe even probably not.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to the fed's balance sheet. The fed's balance sheet can grow in two different, and opposite, ways. One way is the fed conducting open market operations (e.g. QE), where it buys securities (e.g. mortgage back securities and treasury bonds) directly from the secondary market. The other way is the fed merely makes collateralized loans against securities held by banks. That's done with a "repurchase agreement" through the fed's "discount window."

The difference is this. If someone takes out a home equity line of credit, that's analogous to a repurchase agreement, aka "repo." But if the bank were to outright buy a house from someone, that's analogous to open market operations.

This is a chart of the fed's balance sheet, including only securities that they own outright:

https://imgur.com/m1BZ8gf


As you can see, the fed is STILL tightening its balance sheet. That is QT is still in full swing. And obviously this paints a very different picture than the assumption that we're living through a repeat of 2019.

These two types of fed intervention have vastly different implications. Open market operations where the fed buys treasuries outright creates increased demand for government bonds, which can hypothetically bring rates down and expand the money supply. For example, if the primary dealers are selling bonds for a profit on the secondary market, and the fed is paying market prices, then that will almost certainly increase demand. Not only are the banks incentivized to buy more treasuries, the resulting drop in rates will incentivize the government to spend more. This is due to the fact that falling rates increase the value of bonds, meaning the fed will turn a profit on those bonds, which must be remitted back to the treasury. Effectively meaning that the taxpayers are able to borrow money at negative interest rates. Not only is the treasury not paying interest, they're actually getting more money back from the fed than they paid out. That's been the bond market for last 15 years. As long as interest rates are moving down, the money supply can increase for as long as there's demand for credit.

Repo, on the other hand, means that the banks are losing money on the bonds. Repo is something banks only use when they're hard up for cash. And that cash comes at a cost. They call it the "discount" window because the interest rates are higher than market, resulting in a so-called discount for the fed. It's set up that way to provide liquidity to banks that desperately need it, but at the same time to incentivise them to use the overnight market whenever possible.

So this is a very different dynamic. Rates are increasing, making the bonds worth less, and also shrinking the money supply, and deposits. Money can shrink in the same way it's created, just in reverse. That is, loans expand the money supply, but the money supply contracts when those loans are paid off, unless new loans are created at the same rate the old loans are rolling off. That forces the banks to sell treasuries to cover the withdrawals, and if there are unrealized losses due to rate increases then it can destroy them, just as it did SVB.

Now the aforementioned data I said I wanted to wait for before commenting is reserve deposits:

https://imgur.com/3BDrGSd


That's the money held by banks at the federal reserve. It's analogous to your checking account, but for a bank. Banks have checking accounts at the fed, basically, where they store their reserves.

In the last week or so, the fed's balance sheet has increased about 350 billion due to their overnight lending. The bank reserves have only increased about 250 billion. So the money is going out of the reserve accounts almost as fast as it's going in. In other words, the banks aren't being bailed out. They're leveraging assets to meet depositor demands, and in the long run will be worse off for it. They're losing the interest payments on the bonds, plus having to pay 4.75% interest to the fed. So effectively they're having to pay 8-10% interest to the fed in order to borrow this money to cover customer deposits. And of course the fed is insolvent still, so that money simply vanishes into a black hole, further shrinking the money supply.

So inconclusion, this isn't QE, it's the opposite of QE, and QE is probably functionally impossible right now. While there's nothing legally preventing the fed from buying bonds on the open market if they wanted to, the implications would be deflationary in the short term. QE is always deflationary in the long term (we're dealing right now with the long term consequences of QE done 15 years ago), but QE in this environment would probably be almost immediately deflationary. Because while it would initially stimulate borrowing, it would immediately start pulling more money from the circulating money supply in the form of taxes, and throwing it into the fed's giant black hole of insolvency. That is, the treasury would borrow say 100 dollars for a 1 month bill, and then have to immediately give back the 100 plus five bucks interest, which would vanish from the money supply. So the faster new money is created the faster the circulating money supply shrinks under those circumstances.

I hope this also gives you some insight into the debt ceiling crisis. This is the part the media isn't telling you. The government has gotten used to borrowing money at effectively negative interest rates over the last 15 years, and now they're having to actually service their debt. That means not only are they having to use taxes to replace the remittances from the fed they're used to getting, they're having to use tax revenues to pay the interest. So the cost to borrow money for the taxpayer has gone up tremendously in the past few months. And that's a massive problem for the government seeing as how tax revenues are going down in real terms. I.e. everything the government spends money on in the course of its operations has increased in price, but tax revenues aren't keeping up with the increased cost. E.g. increased medical cost for Medicare, increased cost of living for those on social security, higher government worker salaries, etc.

Yes, the government could increase taxes, but not without dire consequences that would be effectively killing the golden goose as it were. They would merely be increasing the rate at which the money supply is shrinking, AND accelerating the damage to the economy, creating job loss and lost economic opportunity, which would just result in even less tax revenue than they would have had, had they not raised the taxes. Ergo, raising taxes to fund a higher deficit would have almost immediate devastating consequences.

So yes I know the debt ceiling is a political football that's gotten kicked around a lot lately, but things really are different now, and the situation really is dire. If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default.
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You all hit the zero point in 2020.

Yield rates have been dropping since 1981.

You all hit the zero point right where covid19 showed up in 2020.

hindsight is 2020.

The big spike up in 2020 is where all the governments of the world began deficit spending like mad to escape the zero point singularity which is hyperdeflationary.

It is why yield rates are shooing up like a rocket.

At the zero point it became impossible to use all of you to keep engineering yields lower and lower.

Now the demand by all of you is manifesting as rapidly rising prices of food and fuel.

Since you all are the supply of power.

The FED has a finite ability to supply your demand for money.

That is why yields are rising.

They can give you what you demand as long as you give them what they demand first.

The baker can not give you bread unless you supply all the ingredients first.
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"U.S. Oil Prices Fall Below Zero For The First Time In History-April 21, 2020"

"On Tuesday prices rebounded above above zero, with the US benchmark West Texas Intermediate for May changing hands at $1.10 a barrel after closing at -$37.63 in New York on Monday."

The zero point singularity.

At that point what you all had been doing for the past 4 decades to get to that point.

Engineering interest rates lower and lower became impossible.

I am a supply of power and my wages have been shooting up faster than the people that are the demand for power.

Getting taken to the cleaners at the gas station and grocery store?

That is because you spent the past 4 decades investing into escaping productive effort and in 2020 it became impossible due to the LAW of diminishing returns.

"The law of diminishing returns is an economic principle stating that as investment in a particular area increases, the rate of profit from that investment, after a certain point, cannot continue to increase if other variables remain at a constant."

Profit = Yield.

Interest rates are a demand for yield.

You spent from 1981 doubling down investing into reaching the zero point.

And did.

Poof game over of the game you all have been playing the past 4 decades.


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Are you saying now is not a good time to buy a house OP?
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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The Fed has a vacuum leak and is trying not to stall out at the traffic light.
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Cut wages of all Federal workers 10% across the board.
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Cut the pensions of all fed, state, and local government employees, and then people will take notice, until then it'll be crickets and lipservice.

No one else gets pensions after working years at their job time for a reality check.
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I'm not really able to make a good case for any pension anywhere surviving this. Ditto for entitlements. Any argument to the contrary seems hopeful at best. Would hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

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A CBDC backed on debt is useless. Well, I mean you can use it, may have to, but it is just fiat with a digital wrapper around it.

My 82 year old father said, "Why do we need a CBDC, I pay most everything digitally anyway."?

And yes, printed currency will stay around, at least for a while.



This all said. These CBDC's all sound useless.

UNLESS - Unless a powerful nation, like the USA, actually backs their Central Bank Digital Currency with BitCoin and precious metals. (or only BitCoin)

Read Softwar by Jason Lowery.

Not sure he recommends what I did above. BUT, he does recommend that the US back BotCoin and mine the heck out of it and ASAP. Otherwise, some other nation WILL.

My thesis is one sentence:
The first major nation to back their CBDC with BitCoin, wins!



 Quoting: 2012Portal


You're very close. The CBDC won't be backed by debt, according to the fed, but rather by the value of the assets on their balance sheet. In other words, the fed will own everything, and everyone will be happy.

That's the part that people aren't understanding is that the CBDC isn't just a way to simplify digital transactions of the dollar, it's the actual replacement of the dollar with an entirely new currency.

The fed is selling this as merely a digital system for transacting dollars, when in fact it's an entirely new currency, and the way they're muddying the waters is by pegging the CBDC to the USD. But it will no more be the USD than Tether or USDC is. And eventually, all dollars will cease to exist.

ETA: Oh and yes, I strongly favor the view that Bitcoin will be the new reserve currency. I believe that governments and central banks will transact with one another in Bitcoin, vs. taking each other's CBDCs.

The people who refer to Bitcoin as digital gold truly understand its real value and purpose. The people who criticize Bitcoin for its inability to scale simply don't get it.

Now it's entirely possible that Bitcoin is just a frontrunner of something else to come, so I'm not saying go all in on Bitcoin. That said, there are zero functional problems with Bitcoin, and it wouldn't really make any sense to replace it at this point.

ETA2: And just imagine the following scenario:

As the dollar deflates, BTC's price drops ever lower, until it crashes. What happens to the BTC in that scenario?

Well, some of it gets lost. If the value drops too low, people will just inadvertently lose their keys, or even think it's not worth the time to maintain them. Like when they throw away an old computer, they might simply think it's not worth their time to export their wallet.

Most of it will get sold. If the price crashes, people will try to get out. So the distribution will get more and more centralized as the price goes down, as retail investors bail and institutions buy the dip.

And then the price gets so low that the institutions fail. The exchanges and funds fail and default on their loans, and the banks repossess their assets, which include the coins they hold.

And then the banks fail and need to be bailed out of their crypto, so the crypto ends up on the fed's balance sheet.

So then the central banks end up with a majority of the crypto.
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This is the best thread I’ve read in a very long time. Thank you. I’m not well versed in this stuff like you are, learned a lot here. Showed the process and interactions in a way that can be easily digested. Please keep this thread going and update us on what’s currently going on.

Question: Do you think we are going to have a broad expansive war? Imagine we have to..as in there isn’t an option. We’ve screwed over the entire world yet most govts play the exact same game with their currencies on a smaller scale. Shit feels intentional and our govt has known this time is coming no matter what. Like you stated, the deflationary component is baked into the system. Inevitable. Meant to happen/be used for control one day.
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A CBDC backed on debt is useless. Well, I mean you can use it, may have to, but it is just fiat with a digital wrapper around it.

My 82 year old father said, "Why do we need a CBDC, I pay most everything digitally anyway."?

And yes, printed currency will stay around, at least for a while.



This all said. These CBDC's all sound useless.

UNLESS - Unless a powerful nation, like the USA, actually backs their Central Bank Digital Currency with BitCoin and precious metals. (or only BitCoin)

Read Softwar by Jason Lowery.

Not sure he recommends what I did above. BUT, he does recommend that the US back BotCoin and mine the heck out of it and ASAP. Otherwise, some other nation WILL.

My thesis is one sentence:
The first major nation to back their CBDC with BitCoin, wins!



 Quoting: 2012Portal


You're very close. The CBDC won't be backed by debt, according to the fed, but rather by the value of the assets on their balance sheet. In other words, the fed will own everything, and everyone will be happy.

That's the part that people aren't understanding is that the CBDC isn't just a way to simplify digital transactions of the dollar, it's the actual replacement of the dollar with an entirely new currency.

The fed is selling this as merely a digital system for transacting dollars, when in fact it's an entirely new currency, and the way they're muddying the waters is by pegging the CBDC to the USD. But it will no more be the USD than Tether or USDC is. And eventually, all dollars will cease to exist.

ETA: Oh and yes, I strongly favor the view that Bitcoin will be the new reserve currency. I believe that governments and central banks will transact with one another in Bitcoin, vs. taking each other's CBDCs.

The people who refer to Bitcoin as digital gold truly understand its real value and purpose. The people who criticize Bitcoin for its inability to scale simply don't get it.

Now it's entirely possible that Bitcoin is just a frontrunner of something else to come, so I'm not saying go all in on Bitcoin. That said, there are zero functional problems with Bitcoin, and it wouldn't really make any sense to replace it at this point.

ETA2: And just imagine the following scenario:

As the dollar deflates, BTC's price drops ever lower, until it crashes. What happens to the BTC in that scenario?

Well, some of it gets lost. If the value drops too low, people will just inadvertently lose their keys, or even think it's not worth the time to maintain them. Like when they throw away an old computer, they might simply think it's not worth their time to export their wallet.

Most of it will get sold. If the price crashes, people will try to get out. So the distribution will get more and more centralized as the price goes down, as retail investors bail and institutions buy the dip.

And then the price gets so low that the institutions fail. The exchanges and funds fail and default on their loans, and the banks repossess their assets, which include the coins they hold.

And then the banks fail and need to be bailed out of their crypto, so the crypto ends up on the fed's balance sheet.

So then the central banks end up with a majority of the crypto.
 Quoting: okie1


This is the best thread I’ve read in a very long time. Thank you. I’m not well versed in this stuff like you are, learned a lot here. Showed the process and interactions in a way that can be easily digested. Please keep this thread going and update us on what’s currently going on.

Question: Do you think we are going to have a broad expansive war? Imagine we have to..as in there isn’t an option. We’ve screwed over the entire world yet most govts play the exact same game with their currencies on a smaller scale. Shit feels intentional and our govt has known this time is coming no matter what. Like you stated, the deflationary component is baked into the system. Inevitable. Meant to happen/be used for control one day.
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Fantastic post OP, I know enough to know you know what you're talking about.

I find it odd that MSM has been trying to get us to sell stocks for a year now. So I'm doing the opposite.
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My only real interest in the stock market is the potential risk it poses to the monetary system. As a monetary phenomenon, though, I can't see how stocks go anyplace good. If money keeps contracting and interest rates keep going up, I can't see how that's going to be good for earnings, or even speculative buying.
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Are you saying now is not a good time to buy a house OP?
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Oh man that is a loaded question if there ever was one.

It really depends. There's certainly something to be said about owning a place to live in terms of its impact on financial security.

But that's only if you own it outright and have enough liquid assets to maintain it in any event. I.e. pay the taxes and insurance and make critical repairs.

I would personally not buy a house right now unless I could buy it outright with cash. If you have to live in something you don't own outright by necessity, rents never kept up with house prices and are continuing to prove to be the better play. They way overbuilt on rental and it's catching up. Reality hasn't set in yet for the landlords, but it's going to soon, and they're either going to manage their expectations or panic sell, or be forced to sell.

I think a potentially ideal situation is where you owned a multifamily dwelling outright, and the cashflow from the rental paid for everything else, like utilities, insurance, taxes, and repairs. That way no matter what happens to your own personal finances, you at least have a place to live and probably enough extra for food and other vital expenses. That is incredible insurance against layoffs, pension failures, the inevitable collapse of social security, etc.

I'm also pretty bullish on unincorporated land that borders a large metro area. A middle class landlord in the medieval period might have had 15 acres. It's pretty amazing the number of people the output from one little homestead can feed.
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Fantastic post OP, I know enough to know you know what you're talking about.

I find it odd that MSM has been trying to get us to sell stocks for a year now. So I'm doing the opposite.
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My only real interest in the stock market is the potential risk it poses to the monetary system. As a monetary phenomenon, though, I can't see how stocks go anyplace good. If money keeps contracting and interest rates keep going up, I can't see how that's going to be good for earnings, or even speculative buying.
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Equities go 1:1 gold.
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A CBDC backed on debt is useless. Well, I mean you can use it, may have to, but it is just fiat with a digital wrapper around it.

My 82 year old father said, "Why do we need a CBDC, I pay most everything digitally anyway."?

And yes, printed currency will stay around, at least for a while.



This all said. These CBDC's all sound useless.

UNLESS - Unless a powerful nation, like the USA, actually backs their Central Bank Digital Currency with BitCoin and precious metals. (or only BitCoin)

Read Softwar by Jason Lowery.

Not sure he recommends what I did above. BUT, he does recommend that the US back BotCoin and mine the heck out of it and ASAP. Otherwise, some other nation WILL.

My thesis is one sentence:
The first major nation to back their CBDC with BitCoin, wins!



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You're very close. The CBDC won't be backed by debt, according to the fed, but rather by the value of the assets on their balance sheet. In other words, the fed will own everything, and everyone will be happy.

That's the part that people aren't understanding is that the CBDC isn't just a way to simplify digital transactions of the dollar, it's the actual replacement of the dollar with an entirely new currency.

The fed is selling this as merely a digital system for transacting dollars, when in fact it's an entirely new currency, and the way they're muddying the waters is by pegging the CBDC to the USD. But it will no more be the USD than Tether or USDC is. And eventually, all dollars will cease to exist.

ETA: Oh and yes, I strongly favor the view that Bitcoin will be the new reserve currency. I believe that governments and central banks will transact with one another in Bitcoin, vs. taking each other's CBDCs.

The people who refer to Bitcoin as digital gold truly understand its real value and purpose. The people who criticize Bitcoin for its inability to scale simply don't get it.

Now it's entirely possible that Bitcoin is just a frontrunner of something else to come, so I'm not saying go all in on Bitcoin. That said, there are zero functional problems with Bitcoin, and it wouldn't really make any sense to replace it at this point.

ETA2: And just imagine the following scenario:

As the dollar deflates, BTC's price drops ever lower, until it crashes. What happens to the BTC in that scenario?

Well, some of it gets lost. If the value drops too low, people will just inadvertently lose their keys, or even think it's not worth the time to maintain them. Like when they throw away an old computer, they might simply think it's not worth their time to export their wallet.

Most of it will get sold. If the price crashes, people will try to get out. So the distribution will get more and more centralized as the price goes down, as retail investors bail and institutions buy the dip.

And then the price gets so low that the institutions fail. The exchanges and funds fail and default on their loans, and the banks repossess their assets, which include the coins they hold.

And then the banks fail and need to be bailed out of their crypto, so the crypto ends up on the fed's balance sheet.

So then the central banks end up with a majority of the crypto.
 Quoting: okie1


This is the best thread I’ve read in a very long time. Thank you. I’m not well versed in this stuff like you are, learned a lot here. Showed the process and interactions in a way that can be easily digested. Please keep this thread going and update us on what’s currently going on.

Question: Do you think we are going to have a broad expansive war? Imagine we have to..as in there isn’t an option. We’ve screwed over the entire world yet most govts play the exact same game with their currencies on a smaller scale. Shit feels intentional and our govt has known this time is coming no matter what. Like you stated, the deflationary component is baked into the system. Inevitable. Meant to happen/be used for control one day.
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I truly don't. The thing that most people don't understand about the Ukraine war is that currently we're making huge money from it. Well, not us, but the western banking system and the private sector companies, NGOs, and non profits that are all providing their services. The Ukraine isn't producing much of anything right now. How could they? They're on life support.

I think we'll back out when one of two things happens. Either the Ukraine will no longer be profitable, or the political situation will devolve to the point where western countries are taking damage. I don't think we have any intention of sacrificing the assets of western nations in a war over the Ukraine.

I think the most likely outcome at this point is that Russia will end up with eastern Ukraine, and Poland will essentially annex the western part. I imagine there will be a contested border along the Dnieper, kind of like the DMZ in North Korea. The war will never officially end, and eastern Ukraine will never be officially recognized, but a think eventually a cease fire will be called and actually adhered to by both sides.
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Fantastic post OP, I know enough to know you know what you're talking about.

I find it odd that MSM has been trying to get us to sell stocks for a year now. So I'm doing the opposite.
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My only real interest in the stock market is the potential risk it poses to the monetary system. As a monetary phenomenon, though, I can't see how stocks go anyplace good. If money keeps contracting and interest rates keep going up, I can't see how that's going to be good for earnings, or even speculative buying.
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Equities go 1:1 gold.
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Made up paper with no real value equal to gold?

That'll be a real hoot.
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Are you saying now is not a good time to buy a house OP?
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Oh man that is a loaded question if there ever was one.

It really depends. There's certainly something to be said about owning a place to live in terms of its impact on financial security.

But that's only if you own it outright and have enough liquid assets to maintain it in any event. I.e. pay the taxes and insurance and make critical repairs.

I would personally not buy a house right now unless I could buy it outright with cash. If you have to live in something you don't own outright by necessity, rents never kept up with house prices and are continuing to prove to be the better play. They way overbuilt on rental and it's catching up. Reality hasn't set in yet for the landlords, but it's going to soon, and they're either going to manage their expectations or panic sell, or be forced to sell.

I think a potentially ideal situation is where you owned a multifamily dwelling outright, and the cashflow from the rental paid for everything else, like utilities, insurance, taxes, and repairs. That way no matter what happens to your own personal finances, you at least have a place to live and probably enough extra for food and other vital expenses. That is incredible insurance against layoffs, pension failures, the inevitable collapse of social security, etc.

I'm also pretty bullish on unincorporated land that borders a large metro area. A middle class landlord in the medieval period might have had 15 acres. It's pretty amazing the number of people the output from one little homestead can feed.
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Thanks for the reply OP.
I am relocating my job to a different city and i am been offered a relocation package which can pay for the initial deposit and fees of a new house.
It would be a first time buy.
I have been renting up until now.
That is why i asked the question above.

I guess i can wait and rent but i fear the inflation will eat those money and my savings in no time.
I really wish i know whats the best approach.
Thanks again pal





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