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The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.
I wanted to wait for some more data to come in before making this, but it suffices to say that rumors of the fed pivot on social media are greatly exaggerated.

Charts of the fed's balance sheet have been circulating that look something like this, and people have been proclaiming the return of QE and monetary inflation.

https://imgur.com/rJgQYvT


People are predicting that the fed has already pivoted and that the money supply is about to explode again like it did in 2020. Maaaaaybe, but maybe not! Or maybe even probably not.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to the fed's balance sheet. The fed's balance sheet can grow in two different, and opposite, ways. One way is the fed conducting open market operations (e.g. QE), where it buys securities (e.g. mortgage back securities and treasury bonds) directly from the secondary market. The other way is the fed merely makes collateralized loans against securities held by banks. That's done with a "repurchase agreement" through the fed's "discount window."

The difference is this. If someone takes out a home equity line of credit, that's analogous to a repurchase agreement, aka "repo." But if the bank were to outright buy a house from someone, that's analogous to open market operations.

This is a chart of the fed's balance sheet, including only securities that they own outright:

https://imgur.com/m1BZ8gf


As you can see, the fed is STILL tightening its balance sheet. That is QT is still in full swing. And obviously this paints a very different picture than the assumption that we're living through a repeat of 2019.

These two types of fed intervention have vastly different implications. Open market operations where the fed buys treasuries outright creates increased demand for government bonds, which can hypothetically bring rates down and expand the money supply. For example, if the primary dealers are selling bonds for a profit on the secondary market, and the fed is paying market prices, then that will almost certainly increase demand. Not only are the banks incentivized to buy more treasuries, the resulting drop in rates will incentivize the government to spend more. This is due to the fact that falling rates increase the value of bonds, meaning the fed will turn a profit on those bonds, which must be remitted back to the treasury. Effectively meaning that the taxpayers are able to borrow money at negative interest rates. Not only is the treasury not paying interest, they're actually getting more money back from the fed than they paid out. That's been the bond market for last 15 years. As long as interest rates are moving down, the money supply can increase for as long as there's demand for credit.

Repo, on the other hand, means that the banks are losing money on the bonds. Repo is something banks only use when they're hard up for cash. And that cash comes at a cost. They call it the "discount" window because the interest rates are higher than market, resulting in a so-called discount for the fed. It's set up that way to provide liquidity to banks that desperately need it, but at the same time to incentivise them to use the overnight market whenever possible.

So this is a very different dynamic. Rates are increasing, making the bonds worth less, and also shrinking the money supply, and deposits. Money can shrink in the same way it's created, just in reverse. That is, loans expand the money supply, but the money supply contracts when those loans are paid off, unless new loans are created at the same rate the old loans are rolling off. That forces the banks to sell treasuries to cover the withdrawals, and if there are unrealized losses due to rate increases then it can destroy them, just as it did SVB.

Now the aforementioned data I said I wanted to wait for before commenting is reserve deposits:

https://imgur.com/3BDrGSd


That's the money held by banks at the federal reserve. It's analogous to your checking account, but for a bank. Banks have checking accounts at the fed, basically, where they store their reserves.

In the last week or so, the fed's balance sheet has increased about 350 billion due to their overnight lending. The bank reserves have only increased about 250 billion. So the money is going out of the reserve accounts almost as fast as it's going in. In other words, the banks aren't being bailed out. They're leveraging assets to meet depositor demands, and in the long run will be worse off for it. They're losing the interest payments on the bonds, plus having to pay 4.75% interest to the fed. So effectively they're having to pay 8-10% interest to the fed in order to borrow this money to cover customer deposits. And of course the fed is insolvent still, so that money simply vanishes into a black hole, further shrinking the money supply.

So inconclusion, this isn't QE, it's the opposite of QE, and QE is probably functionally impossible right now. While there's nothing legally preventing the fed from buying bonds on the open market if they wanted to, the implications would be deflationary in the short term. QE is always deflationary in the long term (we're dealing right now with the long term consequences of QE done 15 years ago), but QE in this environment would probably be almost immediately deflationary. Because while it would initially stimulate borrowing, it would immediately start pulling more money from the circulating money supply in the form of taxes, and throwing it into the fed's giant black hole of insolvency. That is, the treasury would borrow say 100 dollars for a 1 month bill, and then have to immediately give back the 100 plus five bucks interest, which would vanish from the money supply. So the faster new money is created the faster the circulating money supply shrinks under those circumstances.

I hope this also gives you some insight into the debt ceiling crisis. This is the part the media isn't telling you. The government has gotten used to borrowing money at effectively negative interest rates over the last 15 years, and now they're having to actually service their debt. That means not only are they having to use taxes to replace the remittances from the fed they're used to getting, they're having to use tax revenues to pay the interest. So the cost to borrow money for the taxpayer has gone up tremendously in the past few months. And that's a massive problem for the government seeing as how tax revenues are going down in real terms. I.e. everything the government spends money on in the course of its operations has increased in price, but tax revenues aren't keeping up with the increased cost. E.g. increased medical cost for Medicare, increased cost of living for those on social security, higher government worker salaries, etc.

Yes, the government could increase taxes, but not without dire consequences that would be effectively killing the golden goose as it were. They would merely be increasing the rate at which the money supply is shrinking, AND accelerating the damage to the economy, creating job loss and lost economic opportunity, which would just result in even less tax revenue than they would have had, had they not raised the taxes. Ergo, raising taxes to fund a higher deficit would have almost immediate devastating consequences.

So yes I know the debt ceiling is a political football that's gotten kicked around a lot lately, but things really are different now, and the situation really is dire. If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default.
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Bonus factoid: If you want a really simple explanation of why all fed interventions are deflationary in the long run, it's because the basic underlying principle behind our monetary system doesn't change.

That principle is that all monetary expansion creates a greater liability than the sum of new money injected into the money supply.

For example, someone borrows 300k to buy a house, but over the course of the loan has to pay back 600k, meaning 300k was put into circulation, but over the course of the loan 600k will come out.

ALL fed interventions obey this principle long term. All fed interventions only delay the inevitable, but at a cost of making the inevitable more devastating when it finally catches up. Again, we're currently paying the price for things they started doing 15 years ago.
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.

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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.
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^this. Shitstorm of the ages.
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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The coming war with russia/china is to cover up the fiscal robbery of the u.s by the banks which was allowed by corrupt politicians who got their cuts.

Second off, they want to replace the current system with digital and to do that they have to destroy the old system and they are doing it on purpose with no intention of paying off the debt.

The whole thing was a massive scam and setup from the start so the globalist through the IMF would end up owning entire countries, land, resources, people etc because corrupt politicians didn't spend responsibly. It was the plan for the last 40 years, maybe the last 80..

They won't do anything to stop or slow the financial collapse, this is the big one. At the end of the day all of us want to be holding tangible assets in land, precious metals, food enough for 2 years to ride this out and ways to defend yourself and your family because it will get bad enough where neighbours will be robbing neighbours and we may not have a stable 911/police system in place to deal with it.
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The coming war with russia/china is to cover up the fiscal robbery of the u.s by the banks which was allowed by corrupt politicians who got their cuts.

Second off, they want to replace the current system with digital and to do that they have to destroy the old system and they are doing it on purpose with no intention of paying off the debt.

The whole thing was a massive scam and setup from the start so the globalist through the IMF would end up owning entire countries, land, resources, people etc because corrupt politicians didn't spend responsibly. It was the plan for the last 40 years, maybe the last 80..

They won't do anything to stop or slow the financial collapse, this is the big one. At the end of the day all of us want to be holding tangible assets in land, precious metals, food enough for 2 years to ride this out and ways to defend yourself and your family because it will get bad enough where neighbours will be robbing neighbours and we may not have a stable 911/police system in place to deal with it.
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The shitstorm they will unleash may be beyond their control to steer. At least I hope so.
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"If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default."


Wow. I never thought that I would see that as a possibility.
We are truly in uncharted territory!

Thanks for the education.
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I did.

What I want to know is where the interest paid on the debt by the govt goes. In q4 the us paid over 200 billion. This year, due to rising rates the number could be 1 trillion. That should bail out the banks, but I guarantee you, the combined market cap of these banks won't go up that much if any at all.
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

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To produce what?
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

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To produce what?
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Bomb, artillary, tanks, planes etc. Lockheed is already producing f16s, without an order.
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So the best way to make money right now would be to secure a Fed backed loan for construction or other asset creation. These should be tossed out like candy right now. Right?
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

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To produce what?
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Bomb, artillary, tanks, planes etc. Lockheed is already producing f16s, without an order.
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So no industry retrofit as in WW2? GM will not be producing M1A1s.

And, only the current weapons manufacturers would be commanded to increase production?
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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I'm not sure I understand that analogy. I wouldn't characterize making collateralized loans as punching the accelerator. More like throwing excess weight overboard.

Actually I think a good analogy would be a plane dumping fuel to gain altitude, knowing that it needs that fuel to reach its destination. The dumping of the fuel is essential to delaying the inevitable crash, but makes it all the more inevitable.
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"If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default."


Wow. I never thought that I would see that as a possibility.
We are truly in uncharted territory!

Thanks for the education.
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Yea the looming threat of a government default is almost meme at this point, but what people don't realize is that the situation is completely different now than in times past. It's no longer a question of should we, but can we.
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"If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default."


Wow. I never thought that I would see that as a possibility.
We are truly in uncharted territory!

Thanks for the education.
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Yea the looming threat of a government default is almost meme at this point, but what people don't realize is that the situation is completely different now than in times past. It's no longer a question of should we, but can we.
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Turn the language into physics
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I did.

What I want to know is where the interest paid on the debt by the govt goes. In q4 the us paid over 200 billion. This year, due to rising rates the number could be 1 trillion. That should bail out the banks, but I guarantee you, the combined market cap of these banks won't go up that much if any at all.
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Banks, money markets, pensions, the fed's balance sheet, foreign central banks that hold US bonds, hedge funds, credit unions, and I'm sure the list goes on and on. Right down to mom and pop's account at the treasury.
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If QE is deflationary and we're dealing with the consequences of QE now, then why is the Fed fighting inflation by raising rates which is theoretically causing disinflation through the mechanism I think you're describing.

The only way we get deflation is if giv does not raise the debt ceiling and the Fed keeps hiking. I would bet against both of those.

QE, inflation, and several trillion dollar platinum coins prior to cbdc is the future as far as I can see. You seem to know more about it than me though but I just don't follow this deflation logic.
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The coming war with russia/china is to cover up the fiscal robbery of the u.s by the banks which was allowed by corrupt politicians who got their cuts.

Second off, they want to replace the current system with digital and to do that they have to destroy the old system and they are doing it on purpose with no intention of paying off the debt.

The whole thing was a massive scam and setup from the start so the globalist through the IMF would end up owning entire countries, land, resources, people etc because corrupt politicians didn't spend responsibly. It was the plan for the last 40 years, maybe the last 80..

They won't do anything to stop or slow the financial collapse, this is the big one. At the end of the day all of us want to be holding tangible assets in land, precious metals, food enough for 2 years to ride this out and ways to defend yourself and your family because it will get bad enough where neighbours will be robbing neighbours and we may not have a stable 911/police system in place to deal with it.
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I would say it's fair to make the blanket statement that all US military expansion currently is driven by the singular motive to incorporate new economies into the western banking system, and thereby find new sources of credit and demand for credit.

Very much like the latter Roman empire in the sense that the military expansion is required to sustain spending, and especially in the sense that expansions have turned into net losses. That is, we can push into a country like the Ukraine or Syria, and must, but once there we no longer have the resources to wage an actual war. I think we're about to start giving up territory.
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.
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^this. Shitstorm of the ages.
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So the best way to make money right now would be to secure a Fed backed loan for construction or other asset creation. These should be tossed out like candy right now. Right?
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Like taking out an FHA backed building loan?

Any credit taken out right now is the same as shorting the dollar, and that sounds like a very dangerous proposition if you're expecting the money supply to continue contracting.

People who currently believe the fed is doing QE or about to start would probably make the argument that shorting the dollar is the right move, but like I pointed out they're for the most part operating on false assumptions regarding the fed's balance sheet.

If my fears/suspicions are correct, and the money supply will continue to contract, servicing debt could become extremely painful, especially at such high rates like we have now. The average mortgage rate is still over 6%.
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So how do we all get rich off this in the short term?
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15yrs? No, this dates back to at least 1971.. 52yrs at a min..
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If QE is deflationary and we're dealing with the consequences of QE now, then why is the Fed fighting inflation by raising rates which is theoretically causing disinflation through the mechanism I think you're describing.

The only way we get deflation is if giv does not raise the debt ceiling and the Fed keeps hiking. I would bet against both of those.

QE, inflation, and several trillion dollar platinum coins prior to cbdc is the future as far as I can see. You seem to know more about it than me though but I just don't follow this deflation logic.
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THAT is a big gnarly can of worms.

That's the paradox that has been faking out experienced investors for the last year. They've been thinking that we're in a 1970s stagflationary economy, when in fact we're in more of a 1930s deflationary economy.

There always a real increase in CPI during monetary downturns, because the cost of money goes up, according to basic supply and demand principles. Less cash to go around, the more expensive it is to get. I.e. you have to give more to get the same nominal amount as before. That's the deflationary part.

But the inflationary part is that the cost of doing business goes up, and that's especially true in an economy that runs entirely on debt.

This is just the first time that the supply chain destruction has been so bad that CPI has gone up in nominal terms during a deflationary downturn.

Things always become more unaffordable in real terms during deflationary downturns, at least to those who live on a budget. But usually there's still a steep decline in nominal CPI around the same time as the decline in asset prices. The decline in CPI just doesn't keep up with the decline in wages.

So the basic economic pressures driving these conditions are the same, but they're just so extreme that they're actually forcing CPI up nominally while the money supply contracts.

And it's worse because interest rates keep going up, because our economy runs on debt, and because every part of the economy is already fully leveraged. That's prevented falling asset prices from turning the money growth back around and bringing rates down, and the high rates make doing business extremely expensive, which makes everything you need to live more expensive. When you account for the deflation of the money supply, especially in terms of how far below trend it is with credit expansion, the inflation is actually through the roof.
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Re: The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.
Now say it in one sentence
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Money printer broken, fed no can go brrrr, economy much sad.
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Waiting for the 4 trillion dollar reload into equities market.

Probably two more years to go.





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