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The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.

 
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Simple breakdown for the layman, the can has been kicked about as far as it will go. Raise interest rates and banks start failing, don't raise rates inflation goes through the roof. print more $$ inflation goes sky high, maybe they hand it out like during the pandemic to the people instead of the banks . either way it will be bank failures or civil unrest as inflation goes ballistic.
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What is the fed pivot? Some weird american sex position?
Any sarcasm in this post is purely intentional.
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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Silver's been a currency for 4000 years
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...mir fehlen gerade die Worte um das auf Englisch zu schreiben...

Aber gut, du hast nun eine Inflation von was, 15%...17% (auf Lebensmittel beispielsweise), und der Leitzins den die Zentralbank vorgibt lässt sich mit 4,5% beziffern,

dann jetzt die Frage: Was ist es denn dann wenn nicht ein noch immer vorherrschender negativer-Zins? Nur eben, dass es nicht länger der Staat ist, der versucht sich zu entschulden,
sondern die Privatwirtschaft, die sich damit doch "gesundschrumpfen" möchte, oder ?

Ich meine bei uns duldet der Staat dasirgendwie, und das er derzeit versucht sich über steigende Löhne (und Steuereinnahmen) zu entschulden (Geld welches ja bloß umverteilt werden solle)...
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.
 Quoting: okie1


When I start to read about economics my brain tried to shut down.

I don't understand this-- in a land like the US that can feed its own population and have a large surplus of food- if the population stays small-moderate, and with so many natural resources, why can't we just deal with each other and what little we need in way of other foods/resources- we could just barter with what we have surpluses of?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81680631


We allow foreigners to buy our property, farmland, resources- our real wealth and core stability.
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It's time to take it all back by force!
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
 Quoting: FiX11


Sweet, a powerbrake!


Roast 'em!


Only with Biden, we would probably get a 'one wheel peal'




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*yawn*


New asset backed system using NFTs and silver.

[link to mintid.com (secure)]
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...mir fehlen gerade die Worte um das auf Englisch zu schreiben...

Aber gut, du hast nun eine Inflation von was, 15%...17% (auf Lebensmittel beispielsweise), und der Leitzins den die Zentralbank vorgibt lässt sich mit 4,5% beziffern,

dann jetzt die Frage: Was ist es denn dann wenn nicht ein noch immer vorherrschender negativer-Zins? Nur eben, dass es nicht länger der Staat ist, der versucht sich zu entschulden,
sondern die Privatwirtschaft, die sich damit doch "gesundschrumpfen" möchte, oder ?

Ich meine bei uns duldet der Staat dasirgendwie, und das er derzeit versucht sich über steigende Löhne (und Steuereinnahmen) zu entschulden (Geld welches ja bloß umverteilt werden solle)...
 Quoting: In German 83765303


Negative real rate of interest, not negative nominal rate. This is not unusual. In fact it's supposed to be that way, to force money into the economy. You lose purchasing power as you save.

But this time the economy is actually shrinking, productivity is declining. That is unusual. Here in the US and maybe Germany too, we're largely woke idiots. (Offsetting that is that we can get Chat-GPT4 to do much of our work for us.) And we're mostly vaxed, which degrades mental and physical function.
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Seeing op say Bitcoin as reserve currency?

Wow that's pretty far fetched.

Why would central banks buy Gold if bitcoins were going to replace it?
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Each nation could use their gold reserves to create a gold-backed digital currency for itself. And then OP was saying Bitcoin could be the 'reserve' digital currency that allows transactions nation-to-nation.

I could see that happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85260781


That has been tried, and the impossibility of auditing gold vaults is why it always fails miserably. After what the US did to the world in the 1970s, NOBODY is ever going to trust any gold backed currency ever again, nor should they. You would have to be a complete moron as a leader of some country and accept a reserve currency backed by gold in any vault that you yourself couldn't audit personally (which is of course impossible from a security standpoint). By definition, if you can audit a gold vault then you can't trust it from a security perspective.
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OP is tarded and just trying to confuse everyone.

You can't blame GOLD for fractional reserve banking! That is literally backwards.

Fractional reserve banking was invented (or popularized in the west at least) by the Knights Templar because they realized the potential to make yourself wealthy through FRAUD in such a system.

Fraud that a gold backed system DOES NOT TOLERATE or allow.

OP is literally pushing what the elites want, which is for young people to invest in BTC instead of precious metals, and to believe that central banks (and the USD as world reserve currency!) are ALL POWERFUL.

They would LOVE for people to believe that. They would love that enough to pay OP tree fiddy to post this inanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38733927


Fractional reserve literally was born directly from gold vaulting service providers going back thousands of years. Gold deposit certificates are the original fiat money. As of about 50 years ago, the USD was literally nothing more than a gold deposit certificate.

For crying out loud, read a Widipedia article or two before you go around calling people "tarded." Your mindset is what's wrong with the world.
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Seeing op say Bitcoin as reserve currency?

Wow that's pretty far fetched.

Why would central banks buy Gold if bitcoins were going to replace it?
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Each nation could use their gold reserves to create a gold-backed digital currency for itself. And then OP was saying Bitcoin could be the 'reserve' digital currency that allows transactions nation-to-nation.

I could see that happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85260781


Having said that, my hope is that the people of the world collectively decide to use Dogecoin as the peoples' money, foregoing national CBDCs.
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Whatever happens... theres a 99.99% chance that the "people of the world" are going to have extremely little say in the matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80751493


This is a very astute observation. So many people are missing what's right in front of their noses because they're so wrapped up in their own fantasies they can't see past "what could be."
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Ahaha, bro doesn't think the Fed can print money, doesn't think the reserve currency can hyperinflate, Bitcoin is sweet, and gold is old fashioned.

Whoever buys this BS, good luck to you.

The truth is, it's not about America any more. It is now about the economies of THE REST OF THE WORLD, in entirety.

And guess what. They like gold.

Women love gold.

Women love silver.

Women love jewellry. It will NEVER go out of fashion.

And it has a lot more utility than JUST jewellry.What is being lost in the world right now is TRUST. And what does gold remove the need for? Trust. If what you are providing the other person is authentic verifiable gold in their hand, that is good enough. There is no future payment. There is no future "What if this gets devalued" hypothetical.

Will fiat return at some point in the future? Yeah sure, who ever has power, Russia, China etc, will probably see if they can get away with NOT backing their currency with gold, in 15 or 20 years from now.

But the move is towards TANGIBLE goods. Commodities. But oil is absurdly difficult to store (hell, most consider silver difficult to store, now compare an oz of silver to a BARREL of oil) and food will degrade and go bad. Land is absurdly overvalued and easy to tax, and you can't take it with you, so it has limited use as well (although obviously when you find the right piece of land for the right price it is a fantastic investment).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38733927


Gold requires ULTIMATE trust. Gold is the reason why we are in the mess we're in today.

Fractional reserve banking is 100% due to the inability of gold to function as currency. People realized the futility of trying to prevent fractional reserve and simply tried to work out a system whereby they could live with it. The only way to prevent the theft was to institutionalize it.

Just look at Germany's gold that they lost to the New York fed. If a first world sovereign nation can't trust the largest, most heavily regulated gold vault in the world, do you think you can trust some third party to store your gold for you?

The only way gold can be trustless is if you get on a plane with your gold coins, that you've tested for purity with a 10k dollar piece of equipment, and fly your ass to China, where you purchase a toaster, and then fly your ass with your toaster all the way back to the United States.

The only other alternative is to accept some digital fiat version of gold, which is exactly how the USD and every other sovereign currency in the world today started. And there is simply no way to maintain an accurate ledger under those circumstances because the need for security completely precludes any and all possibility that the physical gold can be audited to anything even bordering on satisfactory levels. Which is why even a sovereign nation like Germany is helpless to protect its own gold.
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Jumped the shark with that one I think.


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That's because you have no knowledge of the history of banking. The story of how we got to where we are today could be very accurately titled, "The History of How Gold Failed as Money." Repeatedly, 100% of the time.

People worship gold like it's this virtuous thing in and of itself, and that ignores all of ancient history and all of recent history. Gold is the reason we are in the mess today that we're in. Period, end of story, and anyone who says anything to the contrary is Einstein's walking definition of insanity (trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results).

There is no such thing as "virtuous" money. The most virtuous money you could possibly achieve in this evil world is a system that straight up assumes that all participants in the financial system are lying thieving sacks of shit.

ANY and ALL gold backed schemes, whether they be paper or digital, would merely be a repeat of the same systems that got us in this mess to begin with. That's not my opinion, that's thousands of years of historical examples of how gold standards were used to fleece people out of their money, with the most recent example being a mere 50 years ago.
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Nope. The Fed created so many new Federal Reserve Notes over the past two weeks that they undid FOUR MONTHS worth of QT. The entire world's financial system is a Ponzi scheme, and you can't "taper" a Ponzi. Three things are now certain: 1) A massive banking crash, 2) A massive stock market crash, and 3) A U.S. dollar crash, which will unleash insane inflation. Gold, silver, and gold and silver stocks are the only things to own going forward. And no, in case you're wondering, "cryptocurrencies" will not survive. They're ALL going to reach their intrinsic value -- zero.
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No they didn't. All that's happening is the banks are paying a penalty for temporarily turning long term debt into short term debt. No new money is being created. Money is being destroyed, rapidly, in fact.

I showed you the fed's balance sheet still contracting, along with the money supply. After I posted this, the fed posted a drop in deposits so sharp it caused regulators to panic and call an emergency meeting.

Like I said, if the facts don't mesh with your paradigm, it's time to get a new paradigm.

You're probably right on points one and two, but you're almost certainly wrong on point three, at least in the short term, and maybe also in the long term.

Also, point three is contradictory to points one and two. If there's hyperinflation, the banks would be sitting very pretty, as would the treasury. It's maybe possible there could be hyperinflation in a more distant future, AFTER the banks and markets have crashed, but not during. And the more I learn, the more I'm very skeptical about the potential or even remote possibility of hyperinflation.
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This is one of the most informative threads I’ve seen lately. Thank you for taking the time to explain, OP. The devil is in the details. I’m retired now, but spent decades in banking and finance at an executive level. I find it painful to read economic takes from people that don’t understand how the FED operates and how the system really works. I’ve never taken the time to try to explain because I thought it would be a waste of time. Reading your post makes me wish more folks would try to educate the public about what’s really going on behind the scenes.
 Quoting: Dr. 307-10


Like I've said several times in other threads, my primary motive for doing this is completely self serving. Above anything else, I'm just testing my own hypotheses to see if I can articulate them, and if they can withstand criticism. Like the dude who brought up CDS as a risk of inflation, I hadn't considered that and had to do several hours of research to potentially exclude that possibility.

That said, if even one person benefits financially from gaining a greater understanding of the monetary system, then it was all worth it, irrespective of any personal benefit I have gained.
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Simple breakdown for the layman, the can has been kicked about as far as it will go. Raise interest rates and banks start failing, don't raise rates inflation goes through the roof. print more $$ inflation goes sky high, maybe they hand it out like during the pandemic to the people instead of the banks . either way it will be bank failures or civil unrest as inflation goes ballistic.
 Quoting: Pugboss


No, not at all. That's the opposite of what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that interest rates and money supply are driven by free market principles and completely outside of the fed's control, and probably well beyond even their influence at this point.
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What is the fed pivot? Some weird american sex position?
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rofl

The fed pivot is a mythical magical creature believed in by Wall Street. There's an entire religion that revolves around the idea that the fed pivot will save the markets and everyone will live happily ever after and there will be ludes aplenty for all.
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Op sideways people not reading his wall of text
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You are such a jackass. Do you really think that all explanations of complex issues can be put in a 2 paragraph USA today article? You exemplify a people who cannot learn unless it is presented in a color single image. Your long-term prognosis is not good at all. ADA much?
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...mir fehlen gerade die Worte um das auf Englisch zu schreiben...

Aber gut, du hast nun eine Inflation von was, 15%...17% (auf Lebensmittel beispielsweise), und der Leitzins den die Zentralbank vorgibt lässt sich mit 4,5% beziffern,

dann jetzt die Frage: Was ist es denn dann wenn nicht ein noch immer vorherrschender negativer-Zins? Nur eben, dass es nicht länger der Staat ist, der versucht sich zu entschulden,
sondern die Privatwirtschaft, die sich damit doch "gesundschrumpfen" möchte, oder ?

Ich meine bei uns duldet der Staat dasirgendwie, und das er derzeit versucht sich über steigende Löhne (und Steuereinnahmen) zu entschulden (Geld welches ja bloß umverteilt werden solle)...
 Quoting: In German 83765303


Sie haben dann Gluck, dass ich Deutsch fliessend sprechen kann.

Es gibt unterschiedliche Arten von Inflation. Normalerweise wenn man von Inflation spricht, meint man, dass die Menge von Geld steigt. Und damit steigen normalerweise auch Preise.

Aber diesmal, obwohl es schwer zu glauben ist, die Menge von Geld geht nach unten. Zusammen damit die Bankeinlagen.

So Preise steigen 15%, aber Inflation liegt bei MINUS 2% gerade.

Aber das CPI ist eine Luge. Besonders wenn man daran denkt, dass die Geld so schnell verschwindet.

Dieses Misverstandniss, dass wir die 70er wiederholen, kommt davon. Die meisten verstehen nicht, dass es durchaus Moglich sei, dass die Preise steigen konnen obwohl es Deflation gibt. Normalerweise hangen die Preise von Inflation ab, und Inflation und Preise sind das gleiche Ding. Aber diesmal nicht.

Das geht auch fur Sie in Europa. Das Euro M1 geht auch nach unten gerade.

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Asked ChatGPT 4 to summarize OP's post cause I ain't reading all that.

Summary:

People are debating whether the Fed's balance sheet indicates a repeat of the 2020 money supply explosion. However, there is a misunderstanding about the two different ways the Fed's balance sheet can grow: through open market operations (e.g., QE) or collateralized loans via repurchase agreements (repos). These interventions have different implications; QE can increase the money supply, while repos are used by banks when they need cash, which may shrink the money supply.

Currently, the Fed's balance sheet is still tightening, suggesting that the situation is not a repeat of 2019. Additionally, the increase in bank reserves due to overnight lending is not leading to a bailout, as banks are losing interest payments on bonds and paying interest to the Fed. As a result, the money supply is shrinking.

QE in the current environment would likely be deflationary in the short term, as it would pull money from the circulating supply through taxes and throw it into the Fed's insolvency. This situation also ties into the debt ceiling crisis, as the government now has to service its debt with tax revenues while tax revenues are not keeping up with the increased cost of government operations. Raising taxes could have immediate and devastating consequences. If rates don't decrease and the money supply doesn't expand soon, there is a real risk of government default.
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Silver's been a currency for 4000 years
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Silver lost currency status in the 1800s. That's why there was a silver bust at that time, and why silver trades well below gold in terms of relative scarcity. What happened to silver is currently happening to gold. When gold loses its last remaining status as money, and central banks stop hoarding it, the price will likely go down half or more.
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Bonus factoid: If you want a really simple explanation of why all fed interventions are deflationary in the long run, it's because the basic underlying principle behind our monetary system doesn't change.

That principle is that all monetary expansion creates a greater liability than the sum of new money injected into the money supply.

For example, someone borrows 300k to buy a house, but over the course of the loan has to pay back 600k, meaning 300k was put into circulation, but over the course of the loan 600k will come out.

ALL fed interventions obey this principle long term. All fed interventions only delay the inevitable, but at a cost of making the inevitable more devastating when it finally catches up. Again, we're currently paying the price for things they started doing 15 years ago.
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As credit defaults happen, crash crunch hits. Which means you have to get cash liquidity.

Sometimes even the best balance sheets can topple when they are asset heavy.
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Asked ChatGPT 4 to summarize OP's post cause I ain't reading all that.

Summary:

People are debating whether the Fed's balance sheet indicates a repeat of the 2020 money supply explosion. However, there is a misunderstanding about the two different ways the Fed's balance sheet can grow: through open market operations (e.g., QE) or collateralized loans via repurchase agreements (repos). These interventions have different implications; QE can increase the money supply, while repos are used by banks when they need cash, which may shrink the money supply.

Currently, the Fed's balance sheet is still tightening, suggesting that the situation is not a repeat of 2019. Additionally, the increase in bank reserves due to overnight lending is not leading to a bailout, as banks are losing interest payments on bonds and paying interest to the Fed. As a result, the money supply is shrinking.

QE in the current environment would likely be deflationary in the short term, as it would pull money from the circulating supply through taxes and throw it into the Fed's insolvency. This situation also ties into the debt ceiling crisis, as the government now has to service its debt with tax revenues while tax revenues are not keeping up with the increased cost of government operations. Raising taxes could have immediate and devastating consequences. If rates don't decrease and the money supply doesn't expand soon, there is a real risk of government default.
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That's frighteningly accurate.

But to be fair, it's not THAT much shorter than my version. Mine looks a lot longer than it is because mine has charts. Does chatgpt have charts??? I didn't think so!
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Bonus factoid: If you want a really simple explanation of why all fed interventions are deflationary in the long run, it's because the basic underlying principle behind our monetary system doesn't change.

That principle is that all monetary expansion creates a greater liability than the sum of new money injected into the money supply.

For example, someone borrows 300k to buy a house, but over the course of the loan has to pay back 600k, meaning 300k was put into circulation, but over the course of the loan 600k will come out.

ALL fed interventions obey this principle long term. All fed interventions only delay the inevitable, but at a cost of making the inevitable more devastating when it finally catches up. Again, we're currently paying the price for things they started doing 15 years ago.
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As credit defaults happen, crash crunch hits. Which means you have to get cash liquidity.

Sometimes even the best balance sheets can topple when they are asset heavy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84477481


Yep. Deflation through normal debt service is a slow bleed. Defaults are like opening up an artery. Can't get new blood in fast enough to replace the outgoing no matter what you do.
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Op sideways people not reading his wall of text
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Try

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OP. In my humble opinion your missing a bigger play at work here.



47:18 - 51:05

Raising interest rates creates mandatory demand for US Treasuries abroad to maintain pegs, creating huge inflows of money, which enables US to print more money against those bonds issued.

51:05 -

Gets into why, yes - China / Russia / etc. can make unilateral deals directly between themselves to try and limit dollar exposure moving forward, but the entire system (including all contracts in existence now and going backwards in time) are all still priced in dollars, so to try and scale any alternative would take a lot of time and be costly and painful for all parties including the "anti dollar" ones.


The sanctions designed to weaken Russia (and vicariously China) in international trade was about trying to address US debt / dollar solvency issues through international trade markets.
That didn't work. So they're doing this.

I don't disagree with your assertions that it's deflationary nor that it's currently pulling money out of the system.
Only that it's the symptom of something else, rather than cause its self.


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I think what the fed ultimately wants is to be the provider of all assets and capital in the system. The average person would work for a fed owned company, live in a fed owned house, drive a fed owned car, and use the fed's CBDC to shop at fed owned stores.
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This entire thread can be summed up in ^that^ one paragraph.

That is precisely where we are going.

I am of the opinion it’ll be rolled out with much pomp and circumstance, and once it has gained enough traction and control, it will then be forced on everyone else that is still operating on the current system.

Great thread, OP.

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How does this fit in?

Kenyan president telling people to dump USD because market different in few weeks

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Re: The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.
How does this fit in?

Kenyan president telling people to dump USD because market different in few weeks

Dedollar



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I think he had meeting with BRICS, then said this
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Re: The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.
"U.S. Oil Prices Fall Below Zero For The First Time In History-April 21, 2020"

"On Tuesday prices rebounded above above zero, with the US benchmark West Texas Intermediate for May changing hands at $1.10 a barrel after closing at -$37.63 in New York on Monday."

The zero point singularity.

At that point what you all had been doing for the past 4 decades to get to that point.

Engineering interest rates lower and lower became impossible.

I am a supply of power and my wages have been shooting up faster than the people that are the demand for power.

Getting taken to the cleaners at the gas station and grocery store?

That is because you spent the past 4 decades investing into escaping productive effort and in 2020 it became impossible due to the LAW of diminishing returns.

"The law of diminishing returns is an economic principle stating that as investment in a particular area increases, the rate of profit from that investment, after a certain point, cannot continue to increase if other variables remain at a constant."

Profit = Yield.

Interest rates are a demand for yield.

You spent from 1981 doubling down investing into reaching the zero point.

And did.

Poof game over of the game you all have been playing the past 4 decades.


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HYPERTIGER! How could I forget that avatar?
Super-hyperdeflationary collapse predicted since... what was it? Mid-oughts? Early oughts? I forget the exact year.





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