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The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.

 
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Op sideways people not reading his wall of text
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I'll save you he's trying to sell the lie the banks are not getting bailed out and the fed giving them billions isn't inflationary...

Op is obviously a shill.
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Or maybe all the alternative financial media is actually controlled opposition, designed to distract the public from what the fed is actually planning? Didja ever think of that?
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So what preventing them printing more $ out of thin air?
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4 week T's here also. Money to sustain gold price comes from competing CBs and also the BBs covering shorts. And yes its all deflationary long term. OPs example is perfect and the reason many are against interest. Great thread.
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Bonus factoid: If you want a really simple explanation of why all fed interventions are deflationary in the long run, it's because the basic underlying principle behind our monetary system doesn't change.

That principle is that all monetary expansion creates a greater liability than the sum of new money injected into the money supply.

For example, someone borrows 300k to buy a house, but over the course of the loan has to pay back 600k, meaning 300k was put into circulation, but over the course of the loan 600k will come out.

ALL fed interventions obey this principle long term. All fed interventions only delay the inevitable, but at a cost of making the inevitable more devastating when it finally catches up. Again, we're currently paying the price for things they started doing 15 years ago.
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you're a fucking moron that doesn't know what the fuck you are babbling about. All QE is not deflationary. moran.

you ignorant dumb ass nobody takes out a 300K loan so he can pay back 600K.

he takes it out to put it work and can pay back the 600K because he has created PRODUCTIVITY that produces a good or a service that is worth the principle + time value of money + his profit.

So QE is deflationary ONLY IF THE MONEY CREATED IS DIRECTED TO A PURPOSE TO CREATES A GOOD OR A SERVICE THAT OFFSETS THE MONEY LOANED + THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY.

Which is the exact opposite of what has happened since 2019. The Government is spending money, producing nothing of value with it and thus creating inflation as the added dollars are not offset by added goods.

you don't know what you are talking about.
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Misplaced value and useless eaters are a problem in any economy, and have been since the beginning. People naturally want to consume, and people are inherently lazy. So the measure of economic success has always been the ability to consume more than one produces.

There are various means of achieving that end. The most obvious being overt criminality. Simply taking what doesn't belong to them.

Another is covert criminality. Manipulating people into giving them value for service they don't really provide. The art market is a prime example of that.

Another way, and the most pervasive, is to legislate themselves positions of authority where they can create their own value by obligating people to use their service. For example, you don't need accountants unless there's an intentionally overly complicated tax code that requires them.

This phenomenon however exists separately from any monetary system, and no monetary system is directly responsible for that. A debt backed fiat system definitely creates more opportunity for misvaluation to occur, but it doesn't fundamentally change anything.

Even in a perfect society though where all labor input was fairly valued, it doesn't change the underlying problems or inevitable outcomes of the debt backed ponzi scheme that is modern banking. Even in that perfect society where all inputs were fairly valued, you still can't have infinite credit expansion, and therefore boom bust cycles are still inevitable.

All economies produce an excess of goods. For example, one farmer can produce enough food with his own labor for several families. Aided by technology, that surplus increases.

That leaves a lot of room for society to come up with very abstract ideas about what constitutes value. One man's trash is another man's treasure. The things we value most highly are generally things that have zero objective value, such as art.

Problems do occur when people become so obsessed with subjectively valued pastimes that there's not enough input of objective value to sustain demand for critical goods and services. Like food and shelter, but also medical care, for example. The things we must have to sustain life, in other words, vs the things we want.
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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I'm not sure I understand that analogy. I wouldn't characterize making collateralized loans as punching the accelerator. More like throwing excess weight overboard.

Actually I think a good analogy would be a plane dumping fuel to gain altitude, knowing that it needs that fuel to reach its destination. The dumping of the fuel is essential to delaying the inevitable crash, but makes it all the more inevitable.
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More in line with raising interest rates while also providing liquidity via bank bailouts or covert market purchases. PPT was obviously working it Friday.
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If the goal is to move everyone to a CBDC system with limits on what they can hold, jf the FED is the one making existing money supplies disappear through this process, and since the big wigs likely won't be limited in THEIR saving power is it possible that they aren't just shrinking the money supply but actually pulling a magic trick to redirect those funds to their own CBDC accounts for when it goes live?
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The fed isn't making anything happen. This is happening merely because people ran out of credit, but are still servicing their already leveraged credit, resulting in a net outflow of money from the money supply.

Money is created when it's loaned out, and it's destroyed when it's paid back. As well as when it's defaulted on.

The only way to prevent the money supply from contracting is exponentially more credit, which is of course impossible. All exponential growth is unsustainable.

As far as the CBDC, assuming the fed will do what they've proposed, it's going to be public stock in the federal reserve issued on a blockchain, and will therefore have the potential to function as a currency. The fed has also promised functionality as a stablecoin, in that they've promised to maintain parity with the USD.

The money isn't being redirected, it's just being destroyed through monetary deflation, which is a natural process governed by free market forces. The money supply expands and contracts as a result of public retail demand for credit, or lack thereof. Which is determined by the creditworthiness of the average American consumer.

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What is the core difference between us and Zimbabwe or Venezuela or The Weimar Republic that prevent us from experiencing hyperinflation?
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Now say it in one sentence
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Money printer broken, fed no can go brrrr, economy much sad.
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Summary:


There are rumors on social media about the Federal Reserve's pivot, but they are greatly exaggerated. The Fed's balance sheet can grow in two opposite ways: through open market operations or collateralized loans. While some people are predicting that the Fed has pivoted and is about to embark on quantitative easing, the Fed is actually tightening its balance sheet, and the data does not support this claim. Reserve deposits show that the money is going out almost as fast as it's going in, meaning the banks are not being bailed out. QE is not possible right now, and it would likely be deflationary in the short term if implemented.


Now, if this is true, you realise, it's >>game over<<, right?
 Quoting: 2012Portal


Yep, and I think the fed realizes it, too. I think that's why they're rolling out the CBDC.

As proposed by the fed, the CBDC is the end of the USD. It's the end of the debt backed fiat and introduction of an entirely new, asset-backed currency in its place.

They admitted as much when they addressed fears brought up by the banks that there would be no place for them as investment banks in this system. They didn't deny that presumption, and instead merely promised the banks that they would continue to exist and profit by operating as nodes in the fed's blockchain. And would collect fees for processing transactions.
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A CBDC backed on debt is useless. Well, I mean you can use it, may have to, but it is just fiat with a digital wrapper around it.

My 82 year old father said, "Why do we need a CBDC, I pay most everything digitally anyway."?

And yes, printed currency will stay around, at least for a while.



This all said. These CBDC's all sound useless.

UNLESS - Unless a powerful nation, like the USA, actually backs their Central Bank Digital Currency with BitCoin and precious metals. (or only BitCoin)

Read Softwar by Jason Lowery.

Not sure he recommends what I did above. BUT, he does recommend that the US back BotCoin and mine the heck out of it and ASAP. Otherwise, some other nation WILL.

My thesis is one sentence:
The first major nation to back their CBDC with BitCoin, wins!



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You're very close. The CBDC won't be backed by debt, according to the fed, but rather by the value of the assets on their balance sheet. In other words, the fed will own everything, and everyone will be happy.

That's the part that people aren't understanding is that the CBDC isn't just a way to simplify digital transactions of the dollar, it's the actual replacement of the dollar with an entirely new currency.

The fed is selling this as merely a digital system for transacting dollars, when in fact it's an entirely new currency, and the way they're muddying the waters is by pegging the CBDC to the USD. But it will no more be the USD than Tether or USDC is. And eventually, all dollars will cease to exist.

ETA: Oh and yes, I strongly favor the view that Bitcoin will be the new reserve currency. I believe that governments and central banks will transact with one another in Bitcoin, vs. taking each other's CBDCs.

The people who refer to Bitcoin as digital gold truly understand its real value and purpose. The people who criticize Bitcoin for its inability to scale simply don't get it.

Now it's entirely possible that Bitcoin is just a frontrunner of something else to come, so I'm not saying go all in on Bitcoin. That said, there are zero functional problems with Bitcoin, and it wouldn't really make any sense to replace it at this point.

ETA2: And just imagine the following scenario:

As the dollar deflates, BTC's price drops ever lower, until it crashes. What happens to the BTC in that scenario?

Well, some of it gets lost. If the value drops too low, people will just inadvertently lose their keys, or even think it's not worth the time to maintain them. Like when they throw away an old computer, they might simply think it's not worth their time to export their wallet.

Most of it will get sold. If the price crashes, people will try to get out. So the distribution will get more and more centralized as the price goes down, as retail investors bail and institutions buy the dip.

And then the price gets so low that the institutions fail. The exchanges and funds fail and default on their loans, and the banks repossess their assets, which include the coins they hold.

And then the banks fail and need to be bailed out of their crypto, so the crypto ends up on the fed's balance sheet.

So then the central banks end up with a majority of the crypto.

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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
 Quoting: FiX11


Analogy I heard a guy use:

They are alternating dousing the house fire with gasoline and water.

And then acting surprised when the fire gets worse.
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So what preventing them printing more $ out of thin air?
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The fed can't actually print money. They can make collateralized loans to banks (repo), or they can purchase securities outright on the open market (open market operations, of which QE is part).

There's a process called debt monetization where the fed buys all the securities from the open market and holds them on their balance sheet permanently.

However, I suspect that that only works if the central bank is solvent, and therefore remitting profits back to the treasury.

If the central banks is insolvent, and therefore remitting no profits back to the treasury, then my suspicion is that debt monetization isn't possible, and an attempt to do so might actually accelerate the contraction of the money supply.

I'm just now starting to research this, but I'm wondering if all past examples of debt monetization included solvent central banks. That might be the devil in the details that people are overlooking when they predict that the fed will monetize the debt. It might not be an option.
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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I'm not sure I understand that analogy. I wouldn't characterize making collateralized loans as punching the accelerator. More like throwing excess weight overboard.

Actually I think a good analogy would be a plane dumping fuel to gain altitude, knowing that it needs that fuel to reach its destination. The dumping of the fuel is essential to delaying the inevitable crash, but makes it all the more inevitable.
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More in line with raising interest rates while also providing liquidity via bank bailouts or covert market purchases. PPT was obviously working it Friday.
 Quoting: FiX11


I strongly, strongly disbelieve that the fed has any control over rates. I think rates are determined by demand for bonds, which is really a function of the average consumer's demand for credit, and ability to take on that credit.

And as I stated many times, there are no bailouts. The banks are merely leveraging assets they own to borrow money to cover depositor withdrawals.
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Waiting for the 4 trillion dollar reload into equities market.

Probably two more years to go.
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Two more weeks, maybe?
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What is the core difference between us and Zimbabwe or Venezuela or The Weimar Republic that prevent us from experiencing hyperinflation?
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That's a matter of intense debate. Read this paper by Rogoff and Reinhardt. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The mechanism is not fully understood, but the facts seem to support their assertion.
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Fed is punching the accelerator and slamming the brakes at the same time. Breakdown imminent.
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I'm not sure I understand that analogy. I wouldn't characterize making collateralized loans as punching the accelerator. More like throwing excess weight overboard.

Actually I think a good analogy would be a plane dumping fuel to gain altitude, knowing that it needs that fuel to reach its destination. The dumping of the fuel is essential to delaying the inevitable crash, but makes it all the more inevitable.
 Quoting: okie1


More in line with raising interest rates while also providing liquidity via bank bailouts or covert market purchases. PPT was obviously working it Friday.
 Quoting: FiX11


I strongly, strongly disbelieve that the fed has any control over rates. I think rates are determined by demand for bonds, which is really a function of the average consumer's demand for credit, and ability to take on that credit.

And as I stated many times, there are no bailouts. The banks are merely leveraging assets they own to borrow money to cover depositor withdrawals.
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Thank you mr financial propagandist. Your Cramer-like tapdancing rivals old Michael Jackson Mtv videos!
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3rd way: it can do whatever the fuck it wants cos its above the law and answerable to no one or nothing.
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Waiting for the 4 trillion dollar reload into equities market.

Probably two more years to go.
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They are going to spin it for as long as they can. I'm wagering within 18 months or less.
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So what preventing them printing more $ out of thin air?
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The fed can't actually print money.
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lmao!!!!!


I worked in the banking system for decades as a high-risk assessment agent for most of the major banks worldwide. I still have all my agent numbers too.


When I first came on in the 90's I was given a book to read as I moved up in the chain. It's called "Creature from Jekyll Island" by Edward G. Griffin. I'd suggest reading it, or watching his video presentation. TPTB don't hide their Fiat power.


Here's a perfect example too. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


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What is the core difference between us and Zimbabwe or Venezuela or The Weimar Republic that prevent us from experiencing hyperinflation?
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That's a matter of intense debate. Read this paper by Rogoff and Reinhardt. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The mechanism is not fully understood, but the facts seem to support their assertion.
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You are very naive, but you'll figure it out soon enough. ;)
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3rd way: it can do whatever the fuck it wants cos its above the law and answerable to no one or nothing.
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That's not really true, and it's not their style anyways.

The bankers are very skilled at engineering conditions that bring about the thing they want as the lesser of all necessary evils.

They also play a long game. They set things in motion hundreds years before their ultimate realization of an end goal.
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So what preventing them printing more $ out of thin air?
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The fed can't actually print money.
 Quoting: okie1


lmao!!!!!


I worked in the banking system for decades as a high-risk assessment agent for most of the major banks worldwide. I still have all my agent numbers too.


When I first came on in the 90's I was given a book to read as I moved up in the chain. It's called "Creature from Jekyll Island" by Edward G. Griffin. I'd suggest reading it, or watching his video presentation. TPTB don't hide their Fiat power.


Here's a perfect example too. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



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Did it ever occur to you that they're lying?
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.
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When I start to read about economics my brain tried to shut down.

I don't understand this-- in a land like the US that can feed its own population and have a large surplus of food- if the population stays small-moderate, and with so many natural resources, why can't we just deal with each other and what little we need in way of other foods/resources- we could just barter with what we have surpluses of?
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Watch for Biden to Authorise the Defence Production act

This will tell you which direction we are headed
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That would only solve the problem if there were a huge international demand for our products like in WWI and WWII. If other countries either didn't have the money or capital to purchase weapons from us, or if we needed all of them ourselves, the problem would be the same, that the government couldn't maintain the debt service.

It's commonly believed that war always equals profit, but the US was in a very unique position in the first half of the 20th century. Technology had globalized the economy enough that we could provide timely exports to Europe, but not to the point where invasion of the mainland US was a viable possibility.

I.e. ships carrying cargo could make the passage in a week or two, but enemy missiles and bombers didn't have nearly enough range to come close to us. The Japanese tried island hopping to Alaska, but it didn't work because the conditions were too extreme that far north.

So we had this endless demand for our output, and the natural resources to make it happen, but were untouchable by the destruction that wrecked the rest of the entire world.

And we got to do that twice, where we incurred no losses, relatively speaking, but got to reap unbelievable benefits. That wasn't the norm before, and in the age of hypersonic missiles our remoteness no longer protects us.

So the idea that a war will save us from our debt is probably very hopeful at best.

That certainly doesn't mean there won't be a war though. The collapse of the dollar supply is what's causing geopolitical turmoil right now, and will ultimately likely lead to all out global war. But also famines, depressions, and revolutions. The dedollarization of the world is going to be the shitstorm of the ages.
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When I start to read about economics my brain tried to shut down.

I don't understand this-- in a land like the US that can feed its own population and have a large surplus of food- if the population stays small-moderate, and with so many natural resources, why can't we just deal with each other and what little we need in way of other foods/resources- we could just barter with what we have surpluses of?
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We allow foreigners to buy our property, farmland, resources- our real wealth and core stability.
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Did it ever occur to you that they're lying?
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Did it ever occur to you that you are naive and don't know wtf you're talking about?


You've been indoctrinated since birth, you've never seen the entire picture because you haven't worked in the system at a high level. Intelligent people that are not willfully ignorant can typically figure it out themselves, there are plenty on GLP that fit that mold.


Most of what you know is from books, or learned from clown professors, or low-level people in the banking system. All of them are pawns in the game.


Critical thinking is only good if you understand the whole book, not just chapter 1,6,8, then you have to understand who wrote the book and their MO too.


Keep digging in, but stop lying to yourself.
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Now say it in one sentence
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Money printer broken, fed no can go brrrr, economy much sad.
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AZ meek futures day trader with consistent profits....how much time I have to left at it?
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We are buying our own debt lately because the world has lost their appetite for asset seizing insolvent government bonds . The fed convinced the banks to fund the treasury at low interest rates than burned them with aggressive rate hikes causing depositors to leave banks for a better return . Trust evil people deal with evil results.
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Now say it in one sentence
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me tel u now so u belive me 15 may carsh
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Did it ever occur to you that they're lying?
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Did it ever occur to you that you are naive and don't know wtf you're talking about?


You've been indoctrinated since birth, you've never seen the entire picture because you haven't worked in the system at a high level. Intelligent people that are not willfully ignorant can typically figure it out themselves, there are plenty on GLP that fit that mold.


Most of what you know is from books, or learned from clown professors, or low-level people in the banking system. All of them are pawns in the game.


Critical thinking is only good if you understand the whole book, not just chapter 1,6,8, then you have to understand who wrote the book and their MO too.


Keep digging in, but stop lying to yourself.
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Do you have anything useful to add to the topic besides your opinion that you are smart?
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I wanted to wait for some more data to come in before making this, but it suffices to say that rumors of the fed pivot on social media are greatly exaggerated.

Charts of the fed's balance sheet have been circulating that look something like this, and people have been proclaiming the return of QE and monetary inflation.

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People are predicting that the fed has already pivoted and that the money supply is about to explode again like it did in 2020. Maaaaaybe, but maybe not! Or maybe even probably not.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to the fed's balance sheet. The fed's balance sheet can grow in two different, and opposite, ways. One way is the fed conducting open market operations (e.g. QE), where it buys securities (e.g. mortgage back securities and treasury bonds) directly from the secondary market. The other way is the fed merely makes collateralized loans against securities held by banks. That's done with a "repurchase agreement" through the fed's "discount window."

The difference is this. If someone takes out a home equity line of credit, that's analogous to a repurchase agreement, aka "repo." But if the bank were to outright buy a house from someone, that's analogous to open market operations.

This is a chart of the fed's balance sheet, including only securities that they own outright:

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As you can see, the fed is STILL tightening its balance sheet. That is QT is still in full swing. And obviously this paints a very different picture than the assumption that we're living through a repeat of 2019.

These two types of fed intervention have vastly different implications. Open market operations where the fed buys treasuries outright creates increased demand for government bonds, which can hypothetically bring rates down and expand the money supply. For example, if the primary dealers are selling bonds for a profit on the secondary market, and the fed is paying market prices, then that will almost certainly increase demand. Not only are the banks incentivized to buy more treasuries, the resulting drop in rates will incentivize the government to spend more. This is due to the fact that falling rates increase the value of bonds, meaning the fed will turn a profit on those bonds, which must be remitted back to the treasury. Effectively meaning that the taxpayers are able to borrow money at negative interest rates. Not only is the treasury not paying interest, they're actually getting more money back from the fed than they paid out. That's been the bond market for last 15 years. As long as interest rates are moving down, the money supply can increase for as long as there's demand for credit.

Repo, on the other hand, means that the banks are losing money on the bonds. Repo is something banks only use when they're hard up for cash. And that cash comes at a cost. They call it the "discount" window because the interest rates are higher than market, resulting in a so-called discount for the fed. It's set up that way to provide liquidity to banks that desperately need it, but at the same time to incentivise them to use the overnight market whenever possible.

So this is a very different dynamic. Rates are increasing, making the bonds worth less, and also shrinking the money supply, and deposits. Money can shrink in the same way it's created, just in reverse. That is, loans expand the money supply, but the money supply contracts when those loans are paid off, unless new loans are created at the same rate the old loans are rolling off. That forces the banks to sell treasuries to cover the withdrawals, and if there are unrealized losses due to rate increases then it can destroy them, just as it did SVB.

Now the aforementioned data I said I wanted to wait for before commenting is reserve deposits:

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That's the money held by banks at the federal reserve. It's analogous to your checking account, but for a bank. Banks have checking accounts at the fed, basically, where they store their reserves.

In the last week or so, the fed's balance sheet has increased about 350 billion due to their overnight lending. The bank reserves have only increased about 250 billion. So the money is going out of the reserve accounts almost as fast as it's going in. In other words, the banks aren't being bailed out. They're leveraging assets to meet depositor demands, and in the long run will be worse off for it. They're losing the interest payments on the bonds, plus having to pay 4.75% interest to the fed. So effectively they're having to pay 8-10% interest to the fed in order to borrow this money to cover customer deposits. And of course the fed is insolvent still, so that money simply vanishes into a black hole, further shrinking the money supply.

So inconclusion, this isn't QE, it's the opposite of QE, and QE is probably functionally impossible right now. While there's nothing legally preventing the fed from buying bonds on the open market if they wanted to, the implications would be deflationary in the short term. QE is always deflationary in the long term (we're dealing right now with the long term consequences of QE done 15 years ago), but QE in this environment would probably be almost immediately deflationary. Because while it would initially stimulate borrowing, it would immediately start pulling more money from the circulating money supply in the form of taxes, and throwing it into the fed's giant black hole of insolvency. That is, the treasury would borrow say 100 dollars for a 1 month bill, and then have to immediately give back the 100 plus five bucks interest, which would vanish from the money supply. So the faster new money is created the faster the circulating money supply shrinks under those circumstances.

I hope this also gives you some insight into the debt ceiling crisis. This is the part the media isn't telling you. The government has gotten used to borrowing money at effectively negative interest rates over the last 15 years, and now they're having to actually service their debt. That means not only are they having to use taxes to replace the remittances from the fed they're used to getting, they're having to use tax revenues to pay the interest. So the cost to borrow money for the taxpayer has gone up tremendously in the past few months. And that's a massive problem for the government seeing as how tax revenues are going down in real terms. I.e. everything the government spends money on in the course of its operations has increased in price, but tax revenues aren't keeping up with the increased cost. E.g. increased medical cost for Medicare, increased cost of living for those on social security, higher government worker salaries, etc.

Yes, the government could increase taxes, but not without dire consequences that would be effectively killing the golden goose as it were. They would merely be increasing the rate at which the money supply is shrinking, AND accelerating the damage to the economy, creating job loss and lost economic opportunity, which would just result in even less tax revenue than they would have had, had they not raised the taxes. Ergo, raising taxes to fund a higher deficit would have almost immediate devastating consequences.

So yes I know the debt ceiling is a political football that's gotten kicked around a lot lately, but things really are different now, and the situation really is dire. If rates don't come down the the money supply doesn't begin expanding soon, I think there's a very real chance the government could actually default.
 Quoting: okie1




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Re: The TRUTH about the fed pivot. It's NOT what you're being told.
OP I have one for you. If the CDS gets triggered by the failure to pay back the CDO's they will have to print more than we owe just to honor these CDS. Isn't that inflationary instead of deflationary like you're indicating.





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