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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While it is not necessary to prove a motive, a motive is often how a suspect is singled out. In this case the suspects crime was recorded , from several angles. That being said, most of would ask, if Chauvin killed Floyd he had to have a reason. It makes no sense he would kill him for no reason, so logically there probably was some motive. Could Chauvin just be a psychopath who gets his rocks off hurting people? CERTAINLY, a lot of cops have psyche profiles that are identical to vicious violent criminals. But I think Chauvin had a reason to kill Floyd , and I think personally that that reason lies somehere in the fact that Floyd and Chauvin were acquainted and worked together at a nightclub. Thats one hell of a coincidence, and baffles me why neither defense or prosecution has brought up this HIGHLY PERTINENT connection. I'll tell you what came to mind when I first heard about this on day one and read Chauvin worked with Floyd, and that is that Chauvin was spending counterfeit money he stole from police evidence and somehow Floyd ended up with it. When he saw Floyd being accused of passing counterfeit money, he knew if Floyd made it to trial it would come out he gave him the money. That is one possibility, and another less likely one is Chauvin killed Floyd because he kicked him when he was trying to get him out of the car. I think we all realize there are are cops out there who would kill for less. Another distinct possibility is that Chauvin is a racist who was angered by Floyd dating and doing porn movies with white women. I know several people personally who would want to harm a black man for that "offense". The prosecution needs to come up with a motive to prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, and it is going to take guilty beyond a SHADOW of a doubt to convict a cop, thats why the prosecution didnt try to prove a motive.. |
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GooPile
User ID: 28701343 Australia 04/11/2021 04:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80227260 Medical homicide, not criminal. The coroner isn't able to determine criminality, he declared homicide because he felt he wouldn't have died (from a likely heart attack) had it not been for the involvement of another party (the police) brought about by his own resisting arrest. This also goes for Ashli Bobbitt. The coroner wasn't declaring her to have been murdered when he ruled homicide. Anyone who has been shot for whatever reason provided it wasn't suicidal or accidental at the hands of the victim or some kind of Final Destination Rude Goldbery accident will be homicide. It is not political. It is how they define it. Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80227260 All the paid for and social justice warriors, but not the official coroner. The coroner declared that his heart and lungs stopped and he saw no indication he died of suffocation, so although not conclusive since he wasn't able to rule out asphyxiation (but saw no evidence of it) he indicated that he felt the combined effect of subduel, intoxication and a diseased heart (with one artery clogged over 90% and others also being clogged to dangerous levels) as being the likely cause of his death, to the best of his determination based on the physical evidence. Yes, he specified neck compression but he clarified on questioning that he didn't believe it caused asphyxiation. He made NO MENTION of the fairy tale suffocation by compression of the chest involving Chauvin's other knee that the prosecutions 'experts' allege. He did however say he believed the studies that showed the weight of a person on someones back does not cause suffocation. For ANY murder charge, first to third degree, you have to prove Chauvin's actions directly murdered Floyd. You can't, there is substantial reasonable doubt including in the official autopsy. Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80227260 The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action. Prove asphyxiation, that is without fabricating evidence such as saying he compressed his lungs with his second leg which he didn't (that leg was glancing his back, aimed at the elbow of his other arm which was off his body, may have conceivably caused his side to be pinned but it was not compressing his chest). The neck knee pin was not smothering his arteries on his neck or obstructing his airways. As far as I understand it, any violation with restraint Chauvin is responsible is 'discouraged' rather than unlawful. He did not apply a conscious or unconscious neck restraint which involves an arm bending around the neck to render the victim unconscious. It was a pin on his upper back that crossed over to the back of his neck (the hard part of the neck that is not prone to suffocation). He did however have a disregard for Floyd's health and welfare, which is why I believe he may have committed manslaughter. He could have released the hold, which was non-fatal. He might have assumed he passed out and was not dead, but he should have known the possibility Floyd had died, checked vitals and administered tactics to try and revive him. He knew an ambulance was on the way and couldn't be assed about Floyd's welfare. (The other officer did fail to find a pulse and he did tell him. For the record, my doctor failed to find my pulse the other time I went in. Pulses can be hard to find sometimes. It does not mean he was dead, but he should have heeded it and investigated further.) ... Last Edited by GooPile on 04/11/2021 04:52 AM GooPile |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78886167 Ireland 04/11/2021 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... Chauvin... weighs 140lbs. That's the average weight of the women walking on backs at massage parlors. Even you OP could have had Chauvin's knee on your neck for 9 mins and not died... I doubt you're as big as Floyd was. At any rate we'll have to wait and see... Only this time more people are ready for the rio.. "mostly peac.. who'm I kidding... Y'all gunnah riot burn loot murder... So don't be surprised if you get put down like a rabid dog. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If whites like you are so supreme why are you such a loser that the best response you can formulate is a retarded post like that? Ive never known a white "supremacist" that was a low rent bottom of the barrel loser :bad_smile::bad_egg::after_boom: I'm not black. And I noticed you didn't answer the question, so I will ask it again. Why is it that the "white supremacists" are always the bottom of the barrel? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76857890 United States 04/11/2021 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown |
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User ID: 80226434 United States 04/11/2021 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If whites like you are so supreme why are you such a loser that the best response you can formulate is a retarded post like that? Ive never known a white "supremacist" that was a low rent bottom of the barrel loser :bad_smile::bad_egg::after_boom: I'm not black. And I noticed you didn't answer the question, so I will ask it again. Why is it that the "white supremacists" are always the bottom of the barrel? BECAUSE THE IRISH R DARKER THAN THEM..UH? muckuh |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... Chauvin... weighs 140lbs. That's the average weight of the women walking on backs at massage parlors. Even you OP could have had Chauvin's knee on your neck for 9 mins and not died... I doubt you're as big as Floyd was. At any rate we'll have to wait and see... Only this time more people are ready for the rio.. "mostly peac.. who'm I kidding... Y'all gunnah riot burn loot murder... So don't be surprised if you get put down like a rabid dog. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78886167 Chauvin weighs about 165, and he concentrated all of that weight onto one knee, the one on Floyds neck. It is scary to think people watched that video and said what they watched was OK. This would be a very dangerous precedent to set, for all of our sake. The one fact the white supremacists overlook is that if they get away with doing this to a black man, when they do it to them or someone they care about no one is going to want to hear about how wrong it was if they're white. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO it was first degree, Chauvin ha a motive for wanting Floyd dead, and carried out an execution. I believe that motive was probably criminal involvement in passing counterfeit money or possibly drug distribution on Chauvins part, and he didn't want Floyd to live to see a trial. Many cops are crooked, and steal evidence especially drugs and money. If the motive was pleasure, it is even more critical to get Chauvin locked up. Why would he stay on him after he stopped breathing for so long, and no pulse was found, for four minutes?.... and stop anyone from doing CPR? |
muckuh
User ID: 80226434 United States 04/11/2021 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO it was first degree, Chauvin ha a motive for wanting Floyd dead, and carried out an execution. I believe that motive was probably criminal involvement in passing counterfeit money or possibly drug distribution on Chauvins part, and he didn't want Floyd to live to see a trial. Many cops are crooked, and steal evidence especially drugs and money. If the motive was pleasure, it is even more critical to get Chauvin locked up. Why would he stay on him after he stopped breathing for so long, and no pulse was found, for four minutes?.... and stop anyone from doing CPR? THAT MOTIVE IF TRUE, WONT MAKE IT INTO 'EVIDENCE' IN THE ACTUAL TRIAL! I KNO' THE STUFF..AND IM SURE U DO AS WELL...HIS LAWYER WONT PROPOSE THAT..HE'D BE DEAD. UH. muckuh |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890 blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO it was first degree, Chauvin ha a motive for wanting Floyd dead, and carried out an execution. I believe that motive was probably criminal involvement in passing counterfeit money or possibly drug distribution on Chauvins part, and he didn't want Floyd to live to see a trial. Many cops are crooked, and steal evidence especially drugs and money. If the motive was pleasure, it is even more critical to get Chauvin locked up. Why would he stay on him after he stopped breathing for so long, and no pulse was found, for four minutes?.... and stop anyone from doing CPR? THAT MOTIVE IF TRUE, WONT MAKE IT INTO 'EVIDENCE' IN THE ACTUAL TRIAL! I KNO' THE STUFF..AND IM SURE U DO AS WELL...HIS LAWYER WONT PROPOSE THAT..HE'D BE DEAD. UH. It is very rare for police to be prosecuted for corruption despite it being a problem of epidemic proportions. The reason for this is obvious in my opinion, the corruption extends to the courts and to the prosecutors, and even the grand juries. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76694792 04/11/2021 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890 blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this. His knee was on the druggies neck. Druggie admitted he ate too many drugs. You know nothing about fentanyl. I've used it for years before. Almost killed me six times. FACT |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76582913 Canada 04/11/2021 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you are saying makes no sense. Chauvin was called to the scene. At worst this is manslaughter for negligence. Chauvin was acting in official capacity and in no way can that be murder. Police Officers are not committing murder if they kill someone on the job. It's part of their job description and in many cases is wrong and they should be charged with manslaughter but not murder. Chauvin was definitely negligent because he could have rolled him over and at the very least appeared as if he was trying to help. Whether Floyd was on drugs or not keeping him in that position looks bad. A Fireman is not committing murder if they swing an axe at a door killing someone behind it. You can argue that they should have known, but at worst it is negligence. They are trained to swing an axe at a door. Chauvin's intent was to work as a police officer. He had no way of knowing which call would come to him that day. Zero intent. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80236433 Ireland 04/11/2021 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, every time he did it, it did him damage when he he did it this time it killed him. His mate in the car was told by prosecution, not to answer any questions, and we all know why, as it would frame george floyd to be the drug dealer who swallowed his stash, and killed himself. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Medical homicide, not criminal. The coroner isn't able to determine criminality, he declared homicide because he felt he wouldn't have died (from a likely heart attack) had it not been for the involvement of another party (the police) brought about by his own resisting arrest. Quoting: GooPile Floyd was not resisting arrest while handcuffed and stuffed in the back of a car. He was removed from that situation and snuffed. The fact he had medical conditions does not absolve his murderers of guilt, any more than it would you if you killed someone with heart problems. Most would view it as even more depraved. This also goes for Ashli Bobbitt. The coroner wasn't declaring her to have been murdered when he ruled homicide. Anyone who has been shot for whatever reason provided it wasn't suicidal or accidental at the hands of the victim or some kind of Final Destination Rude Goldbery accident will be homicide. It is not political. It is how they define it. True, and I didn't claim homicide by itself inferred guilt, only that it was a necessary element of first degree murder. Second, Quoting: GooPile All the paid for and social justice warriors, but not the official coroner. The coroner declared that his heart and lungs stopped and he saw no indication he died of suffocation, so although not conclusive since he wasn't able to rule out asphyxiation (but saw no evidence of it) he indicated that he felt the combined effect of subduel, intoxication and a diseased heart (with one artery clogged over 90% and others also being clogged to dangerous levels) as being the likely cause of his death, to the best of his determination based on the physical evidence. Wrong. The blood gas evidence proved he died of asphyxiation. The ratio of CO2 to O2 proved it. AN expert in the field of pulmonary medicine testified to that fact. Yes, he specified neck compression but he clarified on questioning that he didn't believe it caused asphyxiation. Quoting: GooPile True, it is likely the neck pressure cut off blood flow to his brain. Any less than 75percent of normal will kill in minutes. It was the pressure on his back and being held faced down that cut off his breathing. He made NO MENTION of the fairy tale suffocation by compression of the chest involving Chauvin's other knee that the prosecutions 'experts' allege. He did however say he believed the studies that showed the weight of a person on someones back does not cause suffocation. Quoting: GooPile Bullshit. Total bullshit. Police are trained not to do this and to get suspects out of the prone position even if no weight is being applied because their own weight alone can cause suffocation in that position. This was testified to by at least three professional law enforcement officers. For ANY murder charge, first to third degree, you have to prove Chauvin's actions directly murdered Floyd. You can't, there is substantial reasonable doubt including in the official autopsy. Quoting: GooPile There is no reasonable doubt, there are certain persons who are racial supremacists who have a desire based on a sick mind to doubt it. Prove asphyxiation, that is without fabricating evidence such as saying he compressed his lungs with his second leg which he didn't (that leg was glancing his back, aimed at the elbow of his other arm which was off his body, may have conceivably caused his side to be pinned but it was not compressing his chest). The neck knee pin was not smothering his arteries on his neck or obstructing his airways. Quoting: GooPile As far as I understand it, any violation with restraint Chauvin is responsible is 'discouraged' rather than unlawful. He did not apply a conscious or unconscious neck restraint which involves an arm bending around the neck to render the victim unconscious. It was a pin on his upper back that crossed over to the back of his neck (the hard part of the neck that is not prone to suffocation). He did however have a disregard for Floyd's health and welfare, which is why I believe he may have committed manslaughter. He could have released the hold, which was non-fatal. He might have assumed he passed out and was not dead, but he should have known the possibility Floyd had died, checked vitals and administered tactics to try and revive him. He knew an ambulance was on the way and couldn't be assed about Floyd's welfare. (The other officer did fail to find a pulse and he did tell him. For the record, my doctor failed to find my pulse the other time I went in. Pulses can be hard to find sometimes. It does not mean he was dead, but he should have heeded it and investigated further.) ... The blood gas evidence proved asphyxiation. And Chauvin knew what he was doing would likely kill Floyd. The neck compression alone would cause brain death. If you can watch the same thing I did and not be sickened by the depraved actions of Chauvin, you are just as bad as he is. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890 blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this. His knee was on the druggies neck. Druggie admitted he ate too many drugs. You know nothing about fentanyl. I've used it for years before. Almost killed me six times. FACTi Based on all of the evidence, Floyd did not die of an OD of opioids. Before he was held down in the prone position, his breathing was rapid and deep, the opposite of opioid overdose. |
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User ID: 80226434 United States 04/11/2021 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO it was first degree, Chauvin ha a motive for wanting Floyd dead, and carried out an execution. I believe that motive was probably criminal involvement in passing counterfeit money or possibly drug distribution on Chauvins part, and he didn't want Floyd to live to see a trial. Many cops are crooked, and steal evidence especially drugs and money. If the motive was pleasure, it is even more critical to get Chauvin locked up. Why would he stay on him after he stopped breathing for so long, and no pulse was found, for four minutes?.... and stop anyone from doing CPR? THAT MOTIVE IF TRUE, WONT MAKE IT INTO 'EVIDENCE' IN THE ACTUAL TRIAL! I KNO' THE STUFF..AND IM SURE U DO AS WELL...HIS LAWYER WONT PROPOSE THAT..HE'D BE DEAD. UH. It is very rare for police to be prosecuted for corruption despite it being a problem of epidemic proportions. The reason for this is obvious in my opinion, the corruption extends to the courts and to the prosecutors, and even the grand juries. GOTTA HAVE IT COLD TURKEY ON FILM ! WITH VOICE. UH. muckuh |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80227260 United States 04/11/2021 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what we need to do is train more cops to use MMA holds so we can have more live entertainment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80103872 NOT GUILTY And when they come to take you guns or force vaccinate you, what if they do it to YOU? WHat if they do this to you for refusing to wear a mask, or for carrying a god hates queers sign? I bet you will be singing a different tune. My reason fro wanting to see CHauvin convicted is because I know he's guilty. To be honest I think everyone does, especially you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75807155 United States 04/11/2021 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's a hollywood production aka psyop - Trump foretold it "i can't breathe': [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78886167 Ireland 04/11/2021 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890 blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this. Have you even seen the videos?... He wasn't having a panic attack... He said he couldn't breath before he even got in restraints and then BEGGED to be held on the ground. So you're going to say they injected him with fentanyl and meth... GTFO Btw we were both wrong on the weight... 156... You can't apply That much force when sitting on your feet or kneeling... Do me a favor try this experiment if you care about facts. Use your bathroom scale, stand on it write that number down then put one knee on it and the other on a towel. Try sitting back on your heels then go full upright write these numbers down... I think you are one of those people who forget the horrible things Floyd has done and try to polish that piece of shit into a gold nugget.... You're only gonna end up covered in shit... Don't get me wrong I think Chauvin did some things possibly out of procedure... No way does it constitute murder... As for your motive.....a blunt doesn't actually give you insight... just saying your theory sounds like stoner shit. I don't believe Floyd should have died that way... it should have happened a different way, if the cops didn't show up he'd of died anyways. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68134217 United States 04/11/2021 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | floryd was a junkie that died because he was a junky . In the chest cam he was complaining he couldnt breathe before he was even extricated from his own vehicle WAYYYY before chauvin put him on the ground because he was resisting arrest for passing counterfeit money . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890 blow that guilty verdict out your ass clown Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this. Have you even seen the videos?... He wasn't having a panic attack... He said he couldn't breath before he even got in restraints and then BEGGED to be held on the ground. So you're going to say they injected him with fentanyl and meth... GTFO Btw we were both wrong on the weight... 156... You can't apply That much force when sitting on your feet or kneeling... Do me a favor try this experiment if you care about facts. Use your bathroom scale, stand on it write that number down then put one knee on it and the other on a towel. Try sitting back on your heels then go full upright write these numbers down... I think you are one of those people who forget the horrible things Floyd has done and try to polish that piece of shit into a gold nugget.... You're only gonna end up covered in shit... Don't get me wrong I think Chauvin did some things possibly out of procedure... No way does it constitute murder... As for your motive.....a blunt doesn't actually give you insight... just saying your theory sounds like stoner shit. I don't believe Floyd should have died that way... it should have happened a different way, if the cops didn't show up he'd of died anyways. It doesnt matter what kind of guy Floyd was, the police do not have the right to murder a handcuffed suspect, and it is a dangerous precedent to set. I can get over 90 percent of my weight on the scale in the same position Chauvin was. If I shimmy I can get over twice my body weight intermittently. |
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