Why Derek Chauvin is GUILTY of FIRST DEGREE murder according to the law.

Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.

the facts are that there is no evidence to convict Chauvin on any of the charges. the prosecution looks silly and the defense hasnt even presented their case yet

Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.

I think most people didnt blame OJ for killing her, she was fucking a waiter behind his back and he caught them

So kneeling on his neck and back for 9 minutes while he was face down with handcuffs on had nothing to do with it.

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Listen I'm not saying it was great police practice. But George Floyd was huge and on drugs

And the cop is tiny. If you had 145 lb man kneel on the side of your shoulder and neck for 10 minutes I don't think you would die unless you had some serious health problems otherwise.. which is also coming out in the court

Floyd's health issues and drugs, combined with what the cop did resulted in death.. if Floyd was perfectly healthy and not on drugs I don't think he dies that day

Someone who gets you in a rear naked choke with a small fraction of that pressure can lights out you in about 5 seconds flat (cut off blood flow to the brain) so I am beginning to wonder if you are just stoopid or are on the fentanyl yourself!!!!

Who picks the stories that get national attention? Do they look for the perfect recipe to pit liberals and conservatives against each other?

For sucks sake I could post half a dozen more egregious police brutality stories, that never got past a local blurb.

I saw the video... that fuck Chauvin looking like an arrogant prick with zero compassion for a suffocating person. I'd kick him right in the balls if he was with me now.

And Floyd was worthless criminal trash, who shouldn't have died that day... but the world is better off without him.

Why all this emotion on each side? It worked out pretty damn well if you ask me.

A criminal off the street, and a fucktard cop off the beat. Win-Win.

How do you know what his wife was doing? Were you in her bedroom watching? You know squat about Nicole! Besides even if she was she and OJ were not married. OJ screwed anyone but black women. He told a friend he was not into black women!

Yes guess we will. Oh and btw, unless my memory is bad they did try to put him in the back of the cop car, like three of them cause he spazzed out and wouldn't get in, which is why he ended up on the ground to begin with.

Ah, yes. I recall someone saying he said he could breathe and so they let him out or something. So it's reasonable to grant the request to be *let out of the back of a police car because you can't breathe*. But not reasonable to grant the request to get off someone's neck because they can't.

Mental gymnastics. When it's an olympic sport, sign up.

IMO having had them before, I believe Floyd was experiencing a panic attack. You're actually getting too much O2.

With the way the police are killing "ni**ers" you cant blame them for being afraid of the police, and seems Floyd's instinct was right to be afraid, all things considered, doesn't it?

IMO having had them before, I believe Floyd was experiencing a panic attack. You're actually getting too much O2.

With the way the police are killing "ni**ers" you cant blame them for being afraid of the police, and seems Floyd's instinct was right to be afraid, all things considered, doesn't it?

Who picks the stories that get national attention? Do they look for the perfect recipe to pit liberals and conservatives against each other?

For sucks sake I could post half a dozen more egregious police brutality stories, that never got past a local blurb.

I saw the video... that fuck Chauvin looking like an arrogant prick with zero compassion for a suffocating person. I'd kick him right in the balls if he was with me now.

And Floyd was worthless criminal trash, who shouldn't have died that day... but the world is better off without him.

Why all this emotion on each side? It worked out pretty damn well if you ask me.

A criminal off the street, and a fucktard cop off the beat. Win-Win.

I think they have PTSD from other encounters mixed with a real premonition that death is imminent and the fear of it. Probably can sense the true intent of the officer when officer has made up mind to kill.

Someone who gets you in a rear naked choke with a small fraction of that pressure can lights out you in about 5 seconds flat (cut off blood flow to the brain) so I am beginning to wonder if you are just stoopid or are on the fentanyl yourself!!!!

Nope, when he gobbled the drugs to keep the cops from finding them he basically committed suicide.

Does make you wonder the origin of that 20. doesn't it? The sad thing is that his upcoming felony charges over money could get him more time in prison than if he is found guilty in this trial:

Derek Chauvin, ex-cop charged in George Floyd's death, now faces multiple felony tax evasion counts.

If convicted of second-degree murder under Minnesota Statute 609.19.2(1), Chauvin could face up to 40 years in prison. If convicted on all tax charges under Minnesota statutes 289A.63.2(a) and 289A.63.1(a), which are considered nonviolent white-collar crimes, Chauvin could face up to 45 years in prison.

However unlikely it is that he would receive such a sentence, in theory Chauvin could spend more time in jail for a relatively small tax fraud than for slowly choking to death a handcuffed Black man in front of a large crowd for the alleged use of a counterfeit $20 bill.
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Does make you wonder the origin of that 20. doesn't it? The sad thing is that his upcoming felony charges over money could get him more time in prison than if he is found guilty in this trial:

Derek Chauvin, ex-cop charged in George Floyd's death, now faces multiple felony tax evasion counts.

If convicted of second-degree murder under Minnesota Statute 609.19.2(1), Chauvin could face up to 40 years in prison. If convicted on all tax charges under Minnesota statutes 289A.63.2(a) and 289A.63.1(a), which are considered nonviolent white-collar crimes, Chauvin could face up to 45 years in prison.

However unlikely it is that he would receive such a sentence, in theory Chauvin could spend more time in jail for a relatively small tax fraud than for slowly choking to death a handcuffed Black man in front of a large crowd for the alleged use of a counterfeit $20 bill.
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MURDER UNDER COLOR OF LAW

Mandatory life sentence

Lol, yea his life could have been saved by himself but cops aren't psychic. He could have not resisted arrest and told them he swallowed his stash.

And I don't think it. It's in his mouth in the body cam video when the cop first approaches his car.

Nobody will be surprised when Chauvin walks except the idiots.

You wrote all that bullshit?

Shut up stupid