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Why Derek Chauvin is GUILTY of FIRST DEGREE murder according to the law.

 
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My guess is if you had your face pressed into the pavement with several hundred pounds of pressure on your neck and back, you'd look a little different to.
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if you watch the video chauvin is leaned back on his right knee, not really applying any pressure to floyds back and neck

and floyd can still move his head easily
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Yeah, he had all of his weight on the toes of one foot

cruise
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deflection

-10 points
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Deflection hell, anyone can watch the video and see the only part of Chauvin that is touching anything other than Floyd is the toe of his left foot while he shimmies, and both toes when he isnt shimmying. See how much weight you can hold up with your toes in that position, it's less than a few pounds.
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this post confirms the fact that you can't fix stupid

george floyd killed himself ... DUH -Chauvin was just keeping him from killing others.
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I put it like this ... Floyd sacrificed his life to get Chauvin kicked off the police force and stop him from killing other Minneapolis citizens.
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lmao

yea ok tard
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Floyd not a killer, never killed anyone in his life.

Chauvin on the other hand, is on trial for killing a human being.
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i don't believe floyd is dead
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So... Chauvin... weighs 140lbs. That's the average weight of the women walking on backs at massage parlors. Even you OP could have had Chauvin's knee on your neck for 9 mins and not died... I doubt you're as big as Floyd was. At any rate we'll have to wait and see... Only this time more people are ready for the rio.. "mostly peac.. who'm I kidding... Y'all gunnah riot burn loot murder... So don't be surprised if you get put down like a rabid dog.
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Chauvin weighs about 165, and he concentrated all of that weight onto one knee, the one on Floyds neck. It is scary to think people watched that video and said what they watched was OK.

This would be a very dangerous precedent to set, for all of our sake. The one fact the white supremacists overlook is that if they get away with doing this to a black man, when they do it to them or someone they care about no one is going to want to hear about how wrong it was if they're white.
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You do realize dash cam video shows his knee was on the shoulder blade... Not neck right

Besides I know you never went to law school
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Wrong. Chauvins left knee was putting extreme pressure on Floyds carotid artery in the IDF neck snuff he was taught by Israeli military in 2012 for over 9 minutes. Five was enough to kill his brain. The defense showed a STILL of a single moment Chauvins knee was not on his neck, but that only pissed off the jury IMO. Having been on several juries, I can tell you one thing that pisses a juror off, and this is being played for a sucker by a slick defense attorney
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Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.
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If your mother ODs on Fentanyl and methamphetamine let us know. Please...We are all concerned.
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Btw are you worth 27mill... ? Cause apparently an life long violent criminal/drug abuser has been valued at that price... My guess over the course of your life (mine too) you won't see a 2.7 mill and I'd wager you contribute to society a decent amount. You probably pay taxes take care of your family and provide a livelihood for your family without criminal activities. You're not worth as much as Floyd... You're worth so much more.
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Bread and Circuses

Btw are you worth 27mill... ? Cause apparently an life long violent criminal/drug abuser has been valued at that price... My guess over the course of your life (mine too) you won't see a 2.7 mill and I'd wager you contribute to society a decent amount. You probably pay taxes take care of your family and provide a livelihood for your family without criminal activities. You're not worth as much as Floyd... You're worth so much more.
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I don't think anyone has claimed Floyd didn't have some history, but I think when you try to label a man you have to look at both the good and the bad. By this measure Floyd was more good than bad.
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No one can put a monetary value on someone elses life. And no one can use past misdeeds as an excuse to murder him. Floyd plead guilty and served his time.


But keep in mind when police are sued for abusing and killing people, they are personally protected from liability by a convoluted and illogical legal doctrine referred to as "qualified immunity", and it is the taxpayers who pay the price for their misconduct. The police unions give them legal aid and defend the most grievous and depraved actions.IMO if a court rules the cops committed a crime of any kind , "qualified immunity" should not apply to them. Both the department who hired them and the cop himself are liable for his actions.





So who should the police be answering to?
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Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.
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If your mother ODs on Fentanyl and methamphetamine let us know. Please...We are all concerned.
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Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose. His feeling of not being able to breath is reported by almost all persons experiencing panic disorder, commonly known as "panic attack". Floyd was obviously afraid of the police and to be honest I am too because I know they can kill and get away with it, and they know it. I also know the personality of the average police officer is less than altruistic.
. Alot of people are of the police, and Floyd obviously had a good reason to fear them. I think he panicked when he saw Chauvin because Chauvin was involved in a crime with the counterfeit money and or drugs. In is INEXPLICABLE why the fact Chauvin and Floyd were aquainted has not been visited or explore by either defense or prosecution, and especially why Floyd and Chauvin did not appear to acknowledge they knew each other at the scene of the crime.

I believe after careful consideration my first instinct was correct, Chauvin killed Floyd because Floyd knew Chauvin was a crooked cop.
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So... Chauvin... weighs 140lbs. That's the average weight of the women walking on backs at massage parlors. Even you OP could have had Chauvin's knee on your neck for 9 mins and not died... I doubt you're as big as Floyd was. At any rate we'll have to wait and see... Only this time more people are ready for the rio.. "mostly peac.. who'm I kidding... Y'all gunnah riot burn loot murder... So don't be surprised if you get put down like a rabid dog.
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Chauvin weighs about 165, and he concentrated all of that weight onto one knee, the one on Floyds neck. It is scary to think people watched that video and said what they watched was OK.

This would be a very dangerous precedent to set, for all of our sake. The one fact the white supremacists overlook is that if they get away with doing this to a black man, when they do it to them or someone they care about no one is going to want to hear about how wrong it was if they're white.
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You do realize dash cam video shows his knee was on the shoulder blade... Not neck right

Besides I know you never went to law school
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Wrong. Chauvins left knee was putting extreme pressure on Floyds carotid artery in the IDF neck snuff he was taught by Israeli military in 2012 for over 9 minutes. Five was enough to kill his brain. The defense showed a STILL of a single moment Chauvins knee was not on his neck, but that only pissed off the jury IMO. Having been on several juries, I can tell you one thing that pisses a juror off, and this is being played for a sucker by a slick defense attorney
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Stfu you don't speak for all jurors

And in case you didn't know he died of a fentanyl overdose
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Do you have access to the Police training Chauvin received?

One of the oddest shoot yourself in the foot moments happened when the prosecution denied Floyd said he "ate to many drugs". The reason this was a dinger for the defense is, by policy if you suspect someone in your custody is ODing and they lose consciousness you move them to the recovery position... and render aid... if he said "I ain't got no drugs" business as usual what should they do assume he's lying and he really chewed up his party favors right before they contacted him?
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Chauvin weighs about 165, and he concentrated all of that weight onto one knee, the one on Floyds neck. It is scary to think people watched that video and said what they watched was OK.

This would be a very dangerous precedent to set, for all of our sake. The one fact the white supremacists overlook is that if they get away with doing this to a black man, when they do it to them or someone they care about no one is going to want to hear about how wrong it was if they're white.
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You do realize dash cam video shows his knee was on the shoulder blade... Not neck right

Besides I know you never went to law school
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Wrong. Chauvins left knee was putting extreme pressure on Floyds carotid artery in the IDF neck snuff he was taught by Israeli military in 2012 for over 9 minutes. Five was enough to kill his brain. The defense showed a STILL of a single moment Chauvins knee was not on his neck, but that only pissed off the jury IMO. Having been on several juries, I can tell you one thing that pisses a juror off, and this is being played for a sucker by a slick defense attorney
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Stfu you don't speak for all jurors

And in case you didn't know he died of a fentanyl overdose
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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Do you have access to the Police training Chauvin received?

One of the oddest shoot yourself in the foot moments happened when the prosecution denied Floyd said he "ate to many drugs". The reason this was a dinger for the defense is, by policy if you suspect someone in your custody is ODing and they lose consciousness you move them to the recovery position... and render aid... if he said "I ain't got no drugs" business as usual what should they do assume he's lying and he really chewed up his party favors right before they contacted him?
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The prosecution has proved Chauvin intentionally murdered Floyd. To you,and to every jury member. The problem is , as I pointed out, there is a certain percentage of people who believe a white man who kills a black man is never guilty of anything regardless of circumstance, thats why this shit is going on in he first place.
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You do realize dash cam video shows his knee was on the shoulder blade... Not neck right

Besides I know you never went to law school
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Wrong. Chauvins left knee was putting extreme pressure on Floyds carotid artery in the IDF neck snuff he was taught by Israeli military in 2012 for over 9 minutes. Five was enough to kill his brain. The defense showed a STILL of a single moment Chauvins knee was not on his neck, but that only pissed off the jury IMO. Having been on several juries, I can tell you one thing that pisses a juror off, and this is being played for a sucker by a slick defense attorney
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Stfu you don't speak for all jurors

And in case you didn't know he died of a fentanyl overdose
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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Do you have access to the Police training Chauvin received?

One of the oddest shoot yourself in the foot moments happened when the prosecution denied Floyd said he "ate to many drugs". The reason this was a dinger for the defense is, by policy if you suspect someone in your custody is ODing and they lose consciousness you move them to the recovery position... and render aid... if he said "I ain't got no drugs" business as usual what should they do assume he's lying and he really chewed up his party favors right before they contacted him?
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The prosecution has proved Chauvin intentionally murdered Floyd. To you,and to every jury member. The problem is , as I pointed out, there is a certain percentage of people who believe a white man who kills a black man is never guilty of anything regardless of circumstance, thats why this shit is going on in he first place.
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Dude you're the problem in society

You're probably the person who thinks black people deserve reparations

You don't know humanity

I live in the ghetto. There ain't no white privilege in the ghetto. Everything you say about white men hating black people is the reverse in the hood

Black people are racist there and they hate and kill whitey at no discrimination
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Wrong. Chauvins left knee was putting extreme pressure on Floyds carotid artery in the IDF neck snuff he was taught by Israeli military in 2012 for over 9 minutes. Five was enough to kill his brain. The defense showed a STILL of a single moment Chauvins knee was not on his neck, but that only pissed off the jury IMO. Having been on several juries, I can tell you one thing that pisses a juror off, and this is being played for a sucker by a slick defense attorney
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Stfu you don't speak for all jurors

And in case you didn't know he died of a fentanyl overdose
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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Do you have access to the Police training Chauvin received?

One of the oddest shoot yourself in the foot moments happened when the prosecution denied Floyd said he "ate to many drugs". The reason this was a dinger for the defense is, by policy if you suspect someone in your custody is ODing and they lose consciousness you move them to the recovery position... and render aid... if he said "I ain't got no drugs" business as usual what should they do assume he's lying and he really chewed up his party favors right before they contacted him?
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The prosecution has proved Chauvin intentionally murdered Floyd. To you,and to every jury member. The problem is , as I pointed out, there is a certain percentage of people who believe a white man who kills a black man is never guilty of anything regardless of circumstance, thats why this shit is going on in he first place.
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Dude you're the problem in society

You're probably the person who thinks black people deserve reparations

You don't know humanity

I live in the ghetto. There ain't no white privilege in the ghetto. Everything you say about white men hating black people is the reverse in the hood

Black people are racist there and they hate and kill whitey at no discrimination
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IMO they have good reason to hate YOU
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in one hand i dont like hard drug using criminals, in the other hand i dont like pigs. so ill hope for a not guilty so blm tards can burn whats left of this nation to the ground. and maybe after we can build back better
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in one hand i dont like hard drug using criminals, in the other hand i dont like pigs. so ill hope for a not guilty so blm tards can burn whats left of this nation to the ground. and maybe after we can build back better
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Floyd was addicted to opioids by a medical doctor. LIke millions of americans
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Bread and Circuses

Btw are you worth 27mill... ? Cause apparently an life long violent criminal/drug abuser has been valued at that price... My guess over the course of your life (mine too) you won't see a 2.7 mill and I'd wager you contribute to society a decent amount. You probably pay taxes take care of your family and provide a livelihood for your family without criminal activities. You're not worth as much as Floyd... You're worth so much more.
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Yes Money & Circus ( Clownworld )

Follow the money!
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Stfu you don't speak for all jurors

And in case you didn't know he died of a fentanyl overdose
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
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Who told you that? 11 milliliters of fentynal is not the same measure as 11 micrograms per milliliter. 11 milliliters would kill a thousand men

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The real trick will be: Did the prosecution prove their case to the jury?

The jury has two special conditions on them right now that may, and probably will, influence them.

1. The courts always favor cops. This is going to be an essential part of any case indicating police wrong doing. The jury will be led to favor the cop, even outside of the law, if need be.

2. If they don't find Chauvin guilty, of the worst crime possible, even if innocent, there will likely be tens or even hundreds of deaths over it.

That being the case, the best result here is almost certainly a mistrial.

They can go after Chauvin fifty times that way, never find an answer and probably (maybe) hold of the deadly riots.

This isn't going to be about facts, evidence or even morality, in the end. It will be about political pressure, coming at twelve people, from all sides.
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The only thing Floyd ODed on was murder.
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The real trick will be: Did the prosecution prove their case to the jury?

The jury has two special conditions on them right now that may, and probably will, influence them.

1. The courts always favor cops. This is going to be an essential part of any case indicating police wrong doing. The jury will be led to favor the cop, even outside of the law, if need be.

2. If they don't find Chauvin guilty, of the worst crime possible, even if innocent, there will likely be tens or even hundreds of deaths over it.

That being the case, the best result here is almost certainly a mistrial.

They can go after Chauvin fifty times that way, never find an answer and probably (maybe) hold of the deadly riots.

This isn't going to be about facts, evidence or even morality, in the end. It will be about political pressure, coming at twelve people, from all sides.
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A hung jury is the inevitable result, and the anger will overflow when Chauvin is let out again on bail. ALl hell will break loose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73066487


Who told you that? 11 milliliters of fentynal is not the same measure as 11 micrograms per milliliter. 11 milliliters would kill a thousand men

epiclol
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11 ng ml is still a 100% lethal dose of fentanyl

I just didn't put ng before it

And yeah that amount of fentanyl would put me down instantly
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Impossible Op

You are ignorant

The police were called to location for this law breaker

there was no premeditation

this intent is impossible to prove
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No I dont speak for all jurors, but I have seen their reaction in deliberation to being played for a sucker by a defense attorney who knows his client is guilty.


Floyd did not OD, as evidenced by several medical professionals expert testimony, and his breathing pattern at the scene. His breathing was deep and rapid, the opposite of opioid overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
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Level of Fentanyl in Floyds blood upon autopsy -11 ng/mL

[link to www.emcdda.europa.eu (secure)]
....if you don't know science and measures, thats 11 millionths of a gram per milliliter of blood.
The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Floyd was at the low end of the range used in medicine to produce anesthesia, but was an habitual user with a high tolerance.

He was high but nowhere near overdose.
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What about the medical testimonies that said he had enough drugs to kill a horse?

People die of fentanyl everyday with a couple grains.. Floyd had enough to put down a sumo wrestler
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
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His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73066487


Level of Fentanyl in Floyds blood upon autopsy -11 ng/mL

[link to www.emcdda.europa.eu (secure)]
....if you don't know science and measures, thats 11 millionths of a gram per milliliter of blood.
The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Floyd was at the low end of the range used in medicine to produce anesthesia, but was an habitual user with a high tolerance.

He was high but nowhere near overdose.
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Bs and I just forgot to put NG before the ml

And 11 NG ml is absolutely a lethal dose of fentanyl.. I actually had a acquaintance overdose on it last week

Just because you're a user and you have a higher tolerance doesn't mean that it can't put you down. It's absolutely a lethal dose and George Floyd was playing with fire using
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Impossible Op

You are ignorant

The police were called to location for this law breaker

there was no premeditation

this intent is impossible to prove
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ACTING on Motive is always impossible to prove conclusively, in fact nothing can be proved to an absolute certainty in court and never has been. Thats why the level of certainly required is beyond a reasonable doubt, and not an absolute certainty or beyond a shadow of a doubt. Juries are specifically instructed thusly.

But you CAN prove Chauvin did have a motive.
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No, he didn't, he had much less than the medically applied concentration for anesthesia. His breathing pattern proves he wasnt oding on opioids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68134217


His toxicology reports said he had 11 mL of fentanyl

That is like a hundred times the lethal dose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73066487


Level of Fentanyl in Floyds blood upon autopsy -11 ng/mL

[link to www.emcdda.europa.eu (secure)]
....if you don't know science and measures, thats 11 millionths of a gram per milliliter of blood.
The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Floyd was at the low end of the range used in medicine to produce anesthesia, but was an habitual user with a high tolerance.

He was high but nowhere near overdose.
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Bs and I just forgot to put NG before the ml

And 11 NG ml is absolutely a lethal dose of fentanyl.. I actually had a acquaintance overdose on it last week

Just because you're a user and you have a higher tolerance doesn't mean that it can't put you down. It's absolutely a lethal dose and George Floyd was playing with fire using
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Floyd did not die of an overdose, he died of murder.





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