Christians do not go to heaven when they die.

I agree. I don't consider the Abraham / Lazarus story a "parable" either.

There's NO REASON to give names unless the incident actually happened.

Read gospel of nicodemus

Jesus descend into hell

[link to www.earlychristianwritings.com]

it's an apocrypha but worth reading. Very insightful. Read and draw your own conclusion.

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Can One who is alive know nothing as well?

1 Corinthians 4:4
"For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord"

John 11:49
"And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all"

Job 8:9
"For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:"

this is the common misinterpretation of what Jesus said

the KJV says: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

first off Jesus is not in Heaven in that Day he is there when he resurrects... secondly Today means you are saved today because he believed today (at that moment) or on that day... and paradise is not confirmed to be heaven. Context shows that it isnt.

Correct.

The saved don't go to heaven after the millennium either, rather, the new heaven and the new earth.

2 Corinthians 5:8 explains how the saved would rather be in Heaven or The New Heaven and The New Earth with Creator, absent from the body, than in the body, absent from Creator. It does NOT say that all saved go to Heaven the moment their consciousness leaves their bodies.

Luke 23:43 means the thief went to the Garden of Eden when he died, his soul did not die as most souls do upon death. The Messiah went with him, left Eden to return to The Father, and then went back into his body when he resurrected.

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The above story is NOT a parable, a parable never names names. The above story talks about real people, a few of the parables in the Bible is a sower went out to sow. NO NAMES. or The parable of the prodigal son, again no names. Also Jesus went to hell and preached to the lost souls and He brought many of them out with Him.

It is my understanding there is no people who were flesh in heaven at this time... they are in the care of the Lord in some way we dont fully comprehend at this time... So anyone who says they been to Heaven and saw this or Jesus showed them around are easily identified as either fallen angel inspired visions or lies.

It's important that it is a Persian word; the terrible beast has feet as a bear.

It's definitely a parable and is WELL known that it is a parable. Parables are NOT literal. There is no real "furnace of fire" that "tares" are thrown into. Jesus is not "literally" a vine, or a lamb.

Jesus was not laying down the foundations for an afterlife doctrine.

LordsServant: Jesus HIMSELF referred to death as a sleep. And that is NOT parable.

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Jesus Himself referred to Lazarus as sleeping and dead. That part is not parable.

Martha said "I know that he will live again on the last day".

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Punishment for Sin and “Hell” Is Future - Not Now
Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of this world.”
Matthew 25:41 Jesus Christ sends the lost into the fire after His Second Coming.
2 Peter 2:9 God will “reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.”
Revelation 20:11-13 The day of judgment occurs at the end of the 1000 years.
Revelation 20:5a, 13-15 The “lake of fire” occurs at the end of the 1000 years.

The Final Hell Fire Will Be On Planet Earth
2 Peter 3:7 “The heavens and the earth which are now ... are reserved unto fire.”
2 Peter 3:10 “The earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.”
Revelation 20:8-9 At the end of the 1000 years, “They [the lost] went up on the breadth of the earth ... and fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.”

Hell Will Totally Destroy All the Wicked, Even Satan!
Psalms 37:20 “The wicked shall perish ... they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.”
Psalms 37:38 “Transgressors will be destroyed together.”
Ezekiel 28:15, 18-19 Even Satan will become “ashes” on the “earth” as a result of the fire.
Malachi 4:1, 3 The “day cometh” when the lost “burn up” and become “ashes.”
John 3:16 Those who are lost will “perish.”
Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is “death,” not eternal life burning in hell.
Matthew 3:12 “Unquenchable fire” will totally “burn up” the wicked.
Matthew 10:28 “Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Revelation 21:8; 20:14 “The lake of fire ... is the second death.”

Even The Lake of Fire Will “Pass Away”
Revelation 20:7-9 At the end of the 1000 years, the lost are “the earth.”
Revelation 20:9 God’s fire falls on them, and they are “devoured.”
Revelation 20:14-15 The earth becomes one big “lake of fire” as God purifies it from sin. The lost suffer the “second death” in that lake.
Revelation 21:1 Then there is a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and first earth (where the lake of fire was) has passed away.
Revelation 21:4 In the New Earth, there will be no more pain, suffering, sorrow, or death.

Note: If the lake of fire burned forever, there would always be pain and sorrow somewhere in the universe and Revelation 21:4 could never come true. But it is true. Sin will be gone forever and pain will cease to exist throughout God’s entire universe!

[link to www.thetruthabouthell.net]

Sad to see so many deceived by pagan myths. It's like they don't even read the Bible.

They focus on one parable, which only appears in Luke, and build an entire doctrine around it.

Only God is immortal.

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The 140,000 themselves are virgins, because they are undefiled, and cleansed by the blood of the Son of God.

You do know this is all allegorical?

Have you physically died? I have, and there is something after and I got to choose whether to return to my body or not.

Reading a bunch of allegorical stories, when you don't understand the concept gets you to were you are in life.

You need to understand more, you clearly have no concept of reality.

Jesus literally calls death a sleep.

You deny Jesus' OWN words and teaching?

well a good portion of us Men are not Virgins so where does that leave me dead in the grave for ever? works for me

Through the blood of Christ, all can be made Holy.

It's necessary for salvation.

Sweet

Jesus doesn't accept mere lip service. He's not a "sugar daddy".

Are you saying every night when we sleep we die?

Do you understand what Jesus' preached?

What version of text are reading?

You don't understand the deeper meaning within the parables.

Jesus wasn't actually a person that ever existed in human form with that name. He may of existed, but that name was invented by Rome.

After they killed said prophet they stole and hijacked his ethos, and wove it into there religion of the time so people wouldn't freak out and revolt.

I know much more about 'Jesus life' than you, so I have no need to worry about anything buddy ;)

Peace be upon you.

It's not a natural sleep .

Read the first post.

I read it, it's an incorrect translation.

That's why I ask what version are you reading?

Hence I state, you misunderstand.

I like God

Feel free to look up all the translations. They all say the same thing.