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GSPLAJ
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11/17/2015 06:26 PM
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huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
This is incredible! It's a $50,000 fine and two years in jail for growing your own tobacco for personal consumption in Australia! thats worse than what you get for growing a few Marijuana plants!

Commonwealth Consolidated Acts

EXCISE ACT 1901 - SECT 28
Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.
(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty:

(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant--2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and

(b) for tobacco leaf--2 years imprisonment or the greater of:

(i) 500 penalty units; and

(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.

Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.

(2) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not produce tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).
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11/17/2015 06:42 PM

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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
Um...the reaction to this unlawful ordinance that is null and void at conception therefore is truly null, it doesnt exist is:

for everyone to pass around the seeds and kits and booklets and everyone to grow this in their faces!

That is what you do for this and pot!


And you meet with the police explaining true law, international law, regarding inordinant null and void creations that violate natural law, common law, and constitution, AND inform them that is a crime to carry forth such an order for a null and void item.

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2.28 The licensing provisions of the Act are directed towards controlling commercial operations. It would not be consistent with those controls to grant a licence for the production of excisable goods for personal use. In particular, commercial operations would not include home» «growing» «of» «tobacco, home distillation of spirit or small scale production of biodiesel for personal use.

so home growers can never get a licence. its all about the tax. heaven forbid they miss out. doesn't bother me too much as i dont smoke but people should have a choice
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11/17/2015 06:48 PM
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Move out of the kangaroo land down under and come to America so you can understand freedom.

You can legally grow tobacco here. Just don't try to sell it. The government can't get their cut.
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11/17/2015 06:50 PM
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Move out of the kangaroo land down under and come to America so you can understand freedom.


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rofl5
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11/17/2015 06:53 PM
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what right does one group of adults have that they can tell another group of adults they can't grow plants?
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
Um...the reaction to this unlawful ordinance that is null and void at conception therefore is truly null, it doesnt exist is:

for everyone to pass around the seeds and kits and booklets and everyone to grow this in their faces!

That is what you do for this and pot!


And you meet with the police explaining true law, international law, regarding inordinant null and void creations that violate natural law, common law, and constitution, AND inform them that is a crime to carry forth such an order for a null and void item.
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are you talking strawman stuff?
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KOG would do it anyway...



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11/17/2015 07:31 PM
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They took your guns and either I missed it or there was no major revolt. I don't see this being challenged by the masses over there.Get used to it I guess.

If they took our guns in America you would be able to see the smoke from Australia.
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11/17/2015 07:35 PM
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what right does one group of adults have that they can tell another group of adults they can't grow plants?
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And just think - some tell you that you can only have one child.
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11/17/2015 07:48 PM
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I was thinking about growing it this year, but had to many other things going..

This just made me look up my local laws.

Come to find out, it's perfectly legal as long as I don't sell it.
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11/17/2015 07:49 PM
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what right does one group of adults have that they can tell another group of adults they can't grow plants?
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And just think - some tell you that you can only have one child.
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I wouldn't say I agree with child limits but I definitely think there should at least be a kid tax or something. People who can't or just wont take care of their children shouldn't have children.
Why do responsible people have to fund the education and welfare of the irresponsible ones?
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11/17/2015 08:11 PM
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Move out of the kangaroo land down under and come to America so you can understand freedom.


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rofl5
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11/17/2015 08:19 PM
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there is a healing power of tobacco they do not want people to know about, it was even reported that the very plant that causes cancer can actually cure it, but tobacco was used to cover up all the additives in our food and drinks that really brought on even more cancer. JMHO's
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11/17/2015 08:24 PM
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
I was thinking about growing it this year, but had to many other things going..

This just made me look up my local laws.

Come to find out, it's perfectly legal as long as I don't sell it.
 Quoting: Mr. NorM


Veggie and fruit seed / tree catalogs are now carrying tobacco seeds.
Never saw that before this year except in specialty seed catalogs.
Government taxes and regulations are creating this.
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11/17/2015 10:44 PM
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
I was thinking about growing it this year, but had to many other things going..

This just made me look up my local laws.

Come to find out, it's perfectly legal as long as I don't sell it.
 Quoting: Mr. NorM


Veggie and fruit seed / tree catalogs are now carrying tobacco seeds.
Never saw that before this year except in specialty seed catalogs.
Government taxes and regulations are creating this.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I'll grow some next year if I can get the conditions right.
Married to a ginger
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11/17/2015 10:52 PM
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yeh it's totally unfair. they say that if they don't regulate it then they can't tax it then of course they aren't getting the money they need to pay for the 'costs' of tobacco use. (poor health)

but then why don't they tax people for eating unhealthy food?

why don't i get paid for living a healthy lifestyle?


why don't they tax people for getting sunburnt? (skin cancer)




it's preposterous.
GSPLAJ  (OP)

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11/17/2015 10:54 PM
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bump
For the avoidance of doubt, there is no such thing as 'American English'. There is the English language and there are mistakes! The Queen.
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11/17/2015 10:57 PM
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
I was thinking about growing it this year, but had to many other things going..

This just made me look up my local laws.

Come to find out, it's perfectly legal as long as I don't sell it.
 Quoting: Mr. NorM


Veggie and fruit seed / tree catalogs are now carrying tobacco seeds.
Never saw that before this year except in specialty seed catalogs.
Government taxes and regulations are creating this.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Can you name one of the catalogs. I am thinking of taking a shot at growing a little in the spring.
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11/17/2015 10:58 PM
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
I was thinking about growing it this year, but had to many other things going..

This just made me look up my local laws.

Come to find out, it's perfectly legal as long as I don't sell it.
 Quoting: Mr. NorM


Veggie and fruit seed / tree catalogs are now carrying tobacco seeds.
Never saw that before this year except in specialty seed catalogs.
Government taxes and regulations are creating this.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Can you name one of the catalogs. I am thinking of taking a shot at growing a little in the spring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69873781


Just do a search
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11/17/2015 11:01 PM
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but then why don't they tax people for eating unhealthy food?


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Haven't you seen the "sugary drinks" ad yet?

It's coming.

BTW, you CAN legally grow tobacco (nicotiana), but only for "ornamental purposes"...

So....

I saw quite a few ripper juicy Papaver somniferum plants in their prime happily growing in the garden bed of a block of units the other day, incidentally.
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11/17/2015 11:05 PM

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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
Um...the reaction to this unlawful ordinance that is null and void at conception therefore is truly null, it doesnt exist is:

for everyone to pass around the seeds and kits and booklets and everyone to grow this in their faces!

That is what you do for this and pot!


And you meet with the police explaining true law, international law, regarding inordinant null and void creations that violate natural law, common law, and constitution, AND inform them that is a crime to carry forth such an order for a null and void item.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


are you talking strawman stuff?
 Quoting: GSPLAJ


No supreme court stuff and even international law, nuremburg trials stuff.

These are not consitutional and violate natural and common law. And according to Nuremburg, common sense. You are not legally allowed to follow bad orders, and they executed germans for example, so you could be executed if you do.

Supreme Courts have determined null and void.

Their ordinances and corporate laws are not legal tender.

In addition, a Canadian constitutional lawyer who wrote essays explained that a police officer or anyone carrying forth and enforcing an unlawful null and void law is committing a crime whether or not they know it. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

That being said, it would take some legal advocacy courses and a movement because these criminals don't care if its legal and they would still arrest.

Its just that I don't believe one lives to comply.

We are not to follow bad orders. And saying you can't grow your own organic tobacco for both savings and health reasons is very much following a bad order.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 11/17/2015 11:06 PM
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11/17/2015 11:28 PM
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Too bad Australia is so far away or I'd consider a career in smuggling.

"Yeah, I gots me some Carolina Red, some Tennessee chew, and Black and Gold for yer pipe."
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11/17/2015 11:54 PM
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I wouldn't try smoking nicotiana!

I've grown several kinds of tobacco...most ciggies are a blend of different tobaccos.

Burley has alot of nocotine but would be too harsh to smoke on its own.

Black sea turkish tobacco could be smoked on its own...but probably a little light on the nicotine.

Organically grown tobacco is the only place you can get the full B vitamin (B complex).

Organically grown...not from a ciggie!

You pinch a tiny bit of dried leaf & add it to a soup or stew.
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11/17/2015 11:55 PM
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Dont fuck with government business. Old news man.

This game is serious ya kno...
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This is incredible! It's a $50,000 fine and two years in jail for growing your own tobacco for personal consumption in Australia! thats worse than what you get for growing a few Marijuana plants!

Commonwealth Consolidated Acts

EXCISE ACT 1901 - SECT 28
Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.
(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty:

(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant--2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and

(b) for tobacco leaf--2 years imprisonment or the greater of:

(i) 500 penalty units; and

(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.

Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.

(2) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not produce tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).
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Yeah LOL no shit! I try to tell people this they think im full of shit.
1 seed = 2 years jail more than Marijuana.
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11/17/2015 11:58 PM
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BTW, you CAN legally grow tobacco (nicotiana), but only for "ornamental purposes"...
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No you actually can not, possession of 1 leaf or 1 seed without an excise license to grow is 2 years prison according to the law.
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11/17/2015 11:59 PM
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They took your guns and either I missed it or there was no major revolt. I don't see this being challenged by the masses over there.Get used to it I guess.

If they took our guns in America you would be able to see the smoke from Australia.
 Quoting: Dr.Hill


you clearly missed something because they didn't take any guns. they offered to buy guns. some people sold them some guns.

there was no confiscation of guns.
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This is incredible! It's a $50,000 fine and two years in jail for growing your own tobacco for personal consumption in Australia! thats worse than what you get for growing a few Marijuana plants!

Commonwealth Consolidated Acts

EXCISE ACT 1901 - SECT 28
Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.
(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty:

(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant--2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and

(b) for tobacco leaf--2 years imprisonment or the greater of:

(i) 500 penalty units; and

(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.

Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.

(2) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not produce tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).
 Quoting: GSPLAJ


Yeah LOL no shit! I try to tell people this they think im full of shit.
1 seed = 2 years jail more than Marijuana.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70783426


Not for long! ..
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Re: huge fines and prison time for growing Tobacco!
This is incredible! It's a $50,000 fine and two years in jail for growing your own tobacco for personal consumption in Australia! thats worse than what you get for growing a few Marijuana plants!

Commonwealth Consolidated Acts

EXCISE ACT 1901 - SECT 28
Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.
(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty:

(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant--2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and

(b) for tobacco leaf--2 years imprisonment or the greater of:

(i) 500 penalty units; and

(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.

Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.

(2) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not produce tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).
 Quoting: GSPLAJ


Yeah LOL no shit! I try to tell people this they think im full of shit.
1 seed = 2 years jail more than Marijuana.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70783426


Not for long! ..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20194145


Not for long with what? If you are found with a bag of weed here the cops will likely confiscate it and give you a warning and smoke it themselves.
They could take you to court you will get a slap on the wrist.
But tobacco? 1 seed = 2 years jail its written in law.
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They don't want you smoking clean tobacco. They want you to smoke their corporation tobacco laced with Monsanto herbicides and hundreds of other chemicals in the paper. They want you to die.


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