Contrary to popular belief, growing tobacco is perfectly legal almost anywhere in the world. In fact we are not aware of there being any country where

Hmmph, should'nt be allowed.

In the US you can grow up to a tenth of an acre of personal tax free.

How much would I have to grow to keep me in a one pack a day habit?

I can't understand why there is so little interest in this.
Y'all talk about building up a seed stash and moan about the duty and additives in shop ciggies. What d'ya think?

Toughest part is curing it properly for a decent smoke. I'll be giving it a whirl this year.

Around $5 worth of seeds will provide enough tobacco for 5000 rollies! Yes, 5000.

Have a look on ebay for some bargains, some come with a pdf doc with advice and instructions, although the info is available across the net.
Happy smoking.

worth giving it a go.

Is there anyone here tried it before?

This is some info i pulled-off the net

50 plants= 5 thous cigs
at 200 cigs per carton that would be 25 cartons
just say about 2 plants per carton


Just placed an order for my seeds
easy growing it but please get a book about drying and curing,thats the part thats hard.

while drying(after you pluck it from the plant)
It needs about 60-to 70% humidity so it want dry green.
After you do this you can store it away(cardboard box is good)until you want ta cure it for smoking.

Do a google search for curing,ive seen some free plans on how you can build your own cure chamber(you will need it if you plan on smoking it before 3 years time)some tobacco can take-up to 7.

Not much diff. than the (other smoke)wink.

I tried it here in Seattle... in 1998.

Bought 2 plants (the one and only time I have ever seen them for sale here) and set them out... they grew like weeds. Later that summer when they were 8 feet tall and flowering I cut a few leaves.

The result? an extremely mild cigarette. So light it was like smoking air. No filter necessary. Very low nicotine content, but it did have some. Tasted a little green... I didn't bother curing it properly. It was just a test and cigs were $1.95 a pack here that year so that wasn't a factor.

When I plant this year (simply because they are now officially unaffordable at $7 a pack) I will grow at least 3 different varieties and make sure one of them is high-test so the nicotine level will be adequate.

I am convinced it can be done with good results even this far north if a man works at it.

oh yeah smoking strongly inhibits mesothilioma (sp) from nano/smart/carbon sequesterers/morgs...wateva ya want to call this lil pesky critters...why is it the old hermit is always toking?

The old hermit stuffed his pipe and oh yeah...that was nice

I'm making one more big purchase of bulk tobacco before April 1 and after that runs out I may try growing it.

Since I have the machine for rolling and the tubes are not going up as far as I know.

Wow, thanks for the info, I'll make sure to get a few different seed varieties.

I'm not a regular tobacco smoker, but I grow alot of my own food, so I gave it a try last year. I grew some Midiwewan tobacco, which is a heirloom strain from the local native Americans. It was really easy, I direct seeded in the ground, didn't even have to start inside, and I'm in Minnesota. I neglected that part of the garden, and it still grew fine without hardly any attention at all. The main problem some people might confront is tobacco seeds are extremely small, typically you plant seeds at a depth of twice the width of the seed, with tobacco seeds, it's easy to plant them too deep and screw it up. If I recall, the planting instructions were to just press the seeds into the surface. Didn't cure the smoke in any way, just dried the leaves, crushed them up, and rolled them in rolling papers. Intensely potent like native American tobaccoes are known to be, way more potent buzz than from commercial ciggarettes. I liked it and I'm definately growing more tobacco this year, even though I don't smoke. Here's a good US supplier for tobacco seeds-
[link to www.newhopeseed.com]

Dont plant them close to one another unless your not planning on saving your seeds,which you might cross diff varieties but that want hurt the current crop of tobacco.

sotoyatobacco.com had a nice maple press they had handmade while back if you dont see it on the site call them and ask.

Seriously. Just do it.

Growing tobacco is something you CAN do that isn't illegal or immoral. A superb act of protest against the ivory tower assholes that think they know whats best for people they haven't even met.

Make sure you grow a little extra for trade and gifts! I figure they made my gardening time worth about $40 and hour when its all accounted for. Can't beat that.

In 2008, all I did was start rolling my own - and between the wife and I deprived the state of $3230.54 of tax in one year they would have otherwise taken from me. Not too shabby. And its all legal.

Personally, I would rather see my home state get the tax money and not the feds... but now its too late for them. They pushed it too far and now they get a pay cut.

I mean, come on now.... $7 a pack? Thats just fucking ridiculous.

Interesting fact about tobacco..they have found tobacco plants clean the soil so to speak. Say.. contaminated soil, the plants will digest and clean the bad things out of soil. They are working on using it in land fills etc.

Problem is the "do gooders" have spent 30 years making tobacco the evil plant.. how do they now embrace it for the good it does. There is also a benefit from smoking, no alzhemers, colon cancer.. several benefits. But the far left have got it in their heads to engineer our society into not smoking. ONe wonders if we all quit, then who will buy the cigs which raise the funds for the CHILLLLLLLLDRENS HEALTH INSURANCE???

I have 6 varieties started. Want to see which ones grow best for my area. Got to watch those damn tobacco worms though.

I found this but I am not sure if it is still viable. Does anyoen have any information reguarding this>? Can anyone recommend a great spot to find Native american or rustic seeds?



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The Traditional Native American Tobacco Seed Bank and Education Program (TNAT)

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The Traditional Native American Tobacco Seed Bank and Education Program (TNAT) specializes in the preservation of traditional Native American tobacco types, as well as the education of Native American youth about the health dangers of tobacco. While this may seem like a contradiction, it is not, since it is based on the recognition that tobacco is an extremely dangerous and powerful plant, that is considered sacred by native people throughout North, Central, and South America.

When used improperly, such as when it is smoked in cigarettes or otherwise ingested in a commercial form, tobacco is a deadly killer. When used properly, in very small amounts in traditional Native American ceremonies and prayers, tobacco (like sacramental wine in a Catholic Mass) becomes a positive source of religious power.

TNAT has two related purposes that readers might be interested in. First, we are dedicated to the collection, preservation, growth, and distribution of the seeds of traditional tobacco types -- i.e., the various types used by different tribes for rituals and similar purposes. Any Native American requesting seeds of the type used by his or her tribe will be sent them at no cost, as long as they agree to use the resulting tobacco ONLY for traditional purposes, and NOT for so-called "recreational" smoking. In return, we ask that anyone who has traditional tobacco seeds, or who knows someone who does, to send some to us, so that we can add them to the bank, grow them, harvest fresh seeds, and give them to other tribal members needing them.

The second, related purpose of TNAT is to educate Native American youth (and others who are interested) about the dangers of commercial tobacco, and even the dangers of abusing traditional tobacco. Smoking-cessation programs, anti-smoking classes, traditional tobacco "camps", presentations about the natural and cultural history of tobacco, papers presented at scientific meetings, talks to service groups about commercial and traditional tobacco, and related educational programs are available.

Finally, since we are gearing our educational programs towards Native American youth, we are very interested in what other tobacco educators are doing, especially with regard to Native American youth but with other youth as well. If you are involved in such a program, please contact us, so that we can learn about your's, and share some of our ideas with you.

Thank you.


Joseph Winter and Lawrence Shorty
Dept. of Anthropology
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131
email - [email protected]
Updated January 25, 1996

Bump for the night shift

The company Native Seeds is probably the premier source for Native American heirloom seed strains. Here's their tobacco seed offerings-

[link to www.nativeseeds.org]

The thing is, this company is based in the Americn Southwest, and is heavily tilted towards native American strains from the American Southwest.

It's absolutely not necessary, and it's great to experiment, but in general, you'll have the best luck with the local heirloom strains from your area. That's why I tried the local native American strain from the Midiwewan tribe. It grew like a weed.

When you think of native American seed strains, it's not all inclusive, but Native Seeds is the definitive seed company for those strains in the US.

Anybody know how to hand-roll big fat cigars like they do in Cuba? That would be sweet, smoking big fat stinky cigars you grew yourself.

do you hang them up by thier stalk in the a room to dry them out and cure them ..some one please google or yahoo "instructions for growing and curing tobacco leaves " ..

tobacco is dangerous.


why bother with this sheeet?

I'm too lazy to google it, but I think I can make a link to it: [link to google.com]

Tobacco is dangerous? Did the government tell you that?

i'm not breaking any new ground here...