~*~*I Keep/Guard the 7th Day Sabbath...Ask Me A Question*~*~

As one who was raised an SDA, I've heard it all, but I'm hoping to hear something new on your thread. Btw...love your avatar! I collect wolves:)

Carry on...

You seem to despise the instructions of Torah...and therefore despise the Torah made Flesh, Yahoshuah.

Therefore, you profane YHWH with your rant, not me.

Hey Lady! Glad you stopped by. I love your avatar too!

I am interested in learning more about your SDA upbringing. I don't know much about SDA, but I know they at least consider the instructions of YHWH contained in the Torah to be relevant to us today.

The thread has been hijacked by haters. You are welcome to help get it back on track.

Are you still SDA? If not, why did you leave?

lol you wait to reply hoping im not on your thread?
Jesus is not the Torah made flesh in my humble opinion.

You are trying to make him something you like, he simply I, you either accept him for what he is or you dont, what you shouldnt do is try to turn him into someone acceptable to your way of thinking. He is above time and space and labels. Your knowledge of Him is imo deplorable.

You cant twist him into something that is acceptable to you. He is so Great, so above idiotic human preferences and alliances.

+1,000,000

But the question is or should be .. do you live according to his teachings?

Thanks for your reply,

I do not disagree with your points. Only to add that I feel all "religions" have been profaned. Confusion and misguidance and corruption is a powerful tool in the arsenal of the ones who look to lead the sheep away from their shephard and "Christianity" has been a primary target.

And why not? Surely the princes of this world would target it. Solders in a warfare always look to destroy or disarm targets of high value.

But I am not without hope for his plan and purpose. His words are truth and he will complete the works he has begun.

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27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

peace,

And how exactly do you presume to know the answers to these questions? I mean, I seconded your reasons for leaving the RCC in the other thread. What is it about me that you despise?

Yes, I am a broken soul. I have reached the depths of despair with only YHVH and Yeshua who I screamed out to in my agony, were there for me. Do you really need me to write my life story here in public for you to believe what I say? why do you despise me?

Seems it is easy for a man to be drawn away from the simplicity of Christ's message.

There are those who have given their lives in service to the LORD. Then there are those who demonstrate a simple honest heart of one who is not worthy. Yet has belief and faith.

Who is better?
Who is more worthy?

I know of only one who is worthy and he will give every man his just reward.

But consider the man who was crucified with the LORD.

Was he "religious"?
Did he keep the sabbath?
Was he deceived?

Or was his a simple faith, one which admitted he was not worthy and simple asked for remembrance.

and what was the LORD's response to him? (LUKE 23:43)

I am not saying that following his appointed times and seasons and feasts is not a worthy goal of a believer, how else would these things be preserved?

But rather that one should not be drawn away from the simplicity which is in Christ and the promises given.

Not all men have the same level and stature of faith, and in many things we all offend each other. But we should all endeavor to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace and in the simplicity of Christ.

There is only one judge and he is worthy. All men will stand before him and give an account for the things they have done.

peace,

Well done.

+1 for 7th day Sabbath-keeping

I lean more toward keeping Saturday as the sabbath, sometimes keeping both Sat., Sun, to be safe. Great excuse to cop when feeling lazy, too ;)

Is it OK to cut fingernails & shave on the sabbath? Those were forbade in Puritanical America during the colonial times & were known as blue laws. Some places still have limited commerce on Sundays directly stemming from the Blue Laws. Any merit in any of that.

Yes, I did ban you...then removed the ban, because I want everyone to see what someone who claims the name of Christ looks and acts like. You claim to be in him and of him, yet you are nothing like him (assuming you mean YHWH and/or Yahoshuah). You cannot push anyone towards you Lester, and trying to profanely shove them towards your version of a god is just being a bully.

I do not observe Sabbath by Talmud standards. I am not a Jew, I am a Benyahmite. Typing on a computer with the goal of sharing YHWHs Truth is akin to helping my neighbor pull his ox out of a ditch...or rather trying to pull my neighbor out of a ditch really.

You have so much anger and hate, Lester.

My sincerity and love are for YHWH and Yahoshuah.

Christianity has blended so much pagan symbols and practices into it that, yes, I deny it. Have you ever even questioned the origins of these?

How do you define sin, Lester?

There is nothing complex or hidden/secret to giving your life to YHWH...I agree...but it does have to be on his terms. You quote a lot of good scripture, but miss the application and the Spirit of that scripture.

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I too have had this problem a few years back. My membership start date does not reflect all the years I've been here. It would be nice if the site admins could fix this, but I guess it's not all that important. It does cause a bit of confusion though. Rev. I think you and I have been here the same number of years;)

Yahoshuah did not come to start a new religion. He came to provide the way to restore us to a covenant relationship with YHWH.

"YE MUST BE BORN-AGAIN" , That is all that needs to be said . That is the right path and all others imho will lead to the lake of fire .

Yahoshuah, nor the Apostles changed days nor times nor the sabbath.

Worship YHWH 7 days a week, I strongly encourage folks to stay in the Scriptures, prayer and fellowship.

Sabbath shows that in 6 days YHWH created and the 7th day is rest from His labors and the enjoyment of the fruit thereof. This is what he wants us to enjoy as well.

Funny. People often spend the Sabbath preparing for the work week rather than the other way around. There's laundry to do, groceries to buy and other shopping, car maintenance, errands to run, etc...you name it. But, suggest spending 6 days to prepare for one set-apart to YHWH and the masses go ballistic.

Blue Laws remind me of the Oral Laws of the Pharisees and the Talmud and Mishna of current Judaism which contain 1000s of dos and don'ts for sabbath keeping. This was the burden, not YHWHs instruction to observe sabbath.

"YE MUST BE BORN-AGAIN TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD"

Again, I do not disagree with you. But some seem to think that one who calls themselves a Christian is deceived or deceiving.

What did the LORD say to the Jews?

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39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.


and again,

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26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

So some follow him. To me, a Christian is one who follows Christ. Is that a new religion? or revelation of an old one?

Surely there are those who calls themselves the same and are followers. Even as there are those who are deceived and deceiving. But what is a name?

Is it not belief and works of faith which are justified in the sight of God?

peace,

God commands us to keep His law and repent of our sins , if not , then your just paying lip-service to him . This scripture comes to mind "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

IHMO, this is an excellent verse for study. Lets examine the context of the verse to see what the LORD may have been tring to communicate.


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5 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


So he seems to be referring to a tree which bears good fruit. What kind of fruit? What does the scripture say about such fruit? IMHO, Galatians Chapter 5 is useful here.

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14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


So we see what is that good fruit. I also find it interesting that he mentions there is no law against such things.

peace,

Now Deb, and others, is a Sabbath Keeper.

Is it necessary for faith?
Is it necessary to produce the fruit of a good tree?

But if one comes along and tells her she is wrong. Do they damage her faith, in so doing, offend her and others?

Does this then produce good fruit?

As one has said, if meat makes my brother to offend, I shall eat no meat in his presence.

So, if not keeping the sabbath offends some who have faith. Then should the other keep it in their presence. As not to offend them. To seek unity in peace.

peace,

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Thank you for beginning this thread Deb and for the good contributions. This is another excellent verse. And the next verse is useful as well...


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20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


What were the scribes and pharisees known for?

Are you saying we are not under Gods Law ??? He Commanded us to keep it .

Matthew 23 gives us a nice description of them...

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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Yes they were self-riotous and judgmental . It doesn't mean we are to ignore God's Holy Law .