~*~*I Keep/Guard the 7th Day Sabbath...Ask Me A Question*~*~

I came across this video the other day, is this accurate in your opinion.?

[link to www.youtube.com]

It is titled "the forgotten day"

How did this get on page 40...I just replied to it..?

I am watching the video you posted above and will comment after I am finished.

It got on page 40 because I just bumped an old thread of mine to revisit the subject.

I am hoping for some fresh conversation regarding the Shabbat, which we are commanded to REMEMBER...to guard it as Qodesh/Set-Apart...throughout our generations, forever. The Shabbat was made for MAN...not just the tribes of Israel. It is a SIGN between the Creator and his creation. The Mashiach is "Master of the Shabbat"...so what do you think "His Day" is?

Thank you for joining the conversation!

Deb

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

In reference to your comment:

"I disagree with the limitation of sunrise to sunset. I see this as an excuse to work a "graveyard shift" and claim to be keeping shabbat. A day of rest is a day of rest...I cannot see the justification of limiting to only daylight hours the reference of work six days and rest on the 7th day."

YAHOVAH in His wisdom and foreknowledge knew that evil men would seek to change appointed times and change the heavenly calendar. He knew that his people would again go into captivity among the nations and be scattered.
He knew also that His sheep would be in servitude to pagan rulers who cared not one iota for the commands of the Most High and we would have to work for our bread and at the same time try and keep His command of keeping the Seventh Day Kodesh with good conscience. He made a way...
He said thou shalt keep the "Day" of Shabbat Holy.
Genesis 1:15
And Elohim called the light "Day", and the darkness he called "Night". And {in} the evening and {in} the morning were the first day.
John 11:9
Yehoshua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Psalm 113:3
From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same YAHOVAH's name [is] to be praised.

There are only two instances when the Moedim were commanded to be kept for a 24 Hour period "between the evenings" and that was on Yom Kippor which began on the evening of the 9th and was completed on the evening of the 10th day of the 7th month. And on the eve of Passover on the Evening of the 14th Day to the evening of the 15th day was the Lamb to be slaughtered between the evenings.
See Leviticus 23:5 and Lev. 23:27-32

Below is a beautiful illustration of His Shabats, and when it ends. The people murmured, and on the Shabat, Yahovah answered Moses that in that evening He would give them flesh, for that is what they missed so much back in Egypt!
This illustrates that He did not have them break Shabat by the considerable amount of labor involved in preparing fowl to eat, hence waiting until evening.
Another illustration is here given that the Shabat is on the 15th day of the moon. He gives them manna for the next six days, beginning tomorrow, and a double portion on the sixth day for the next day which is the Shabat, and, 15 plus 7 is 22, or the 22nd day of the moon, the next Shabat.

This illustration shows that if you belive a day begins in the morning, that in this belief the Shabat cannot be a 24 hour period as this shows it ends in the evening, and work is then allowed. Draining the blood is a little work, plucking the feathers is a little work. Cutting out the edible parts is a little work, and making it Kosher, without any blood in it takes a little time, and cooking it takes some more time. Flesh preparation is indeed more work than preparing potatoes. And a fire must be kindled to cook the raw flesh.

Exodus 16:1
1 ¶ And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which [is] between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.
Exodus 16:8
8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when Yahovah shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that Yahovah heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what [are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against Yahovah.
Exodus 16:11
11 And Yahovah spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 16:12
12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] Yahovah your Elohim.
Exodus 16:13
13 ¶ And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.
Exodus 16:14
14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness [there lay] a small round thing, [as] small as the hoar frost on the ground.
Exodus 16:15 15 And when the children of Israel saw [it], they said one to another, It [is] manna: for they wist not what it [was]. And Moses said unto them, This [is] the bread which Yahovah hath given you to eat.
Numbers 11:31
31 ¶ And there went forth a wind from Yahovah, and brought quails from the sea, and let [them] fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits [high] upon the face of the earth.
Numbers 11:32
32 And the people stood up all that day, and all [that] night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread [them] all abroad for themselves round about the camp.
Numbers 11:33
33 And while the flesh [was] yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of Yahovah was kindled against the people, and Yahovah smote the people with a very great plague.
Numbers 11:34
34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.
Psalms 105:40
40 [The people] asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.

POD, if you know that I work at evenings and I specifically ask for this this shift in order not to break the Day of Shabat.

Incidently I recently lost my part time job because I refused to work on one of the days in which the Lunar Shabat fell.

Last Edited by Tirzah on 05/22/2011 05:37 PM

POD,
YHVH gave me a scripture to share as I was just out walking.
King James Bible - Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

All the foundations that have been hid will soon be uncovered as the upright in heart continue to love and seek YHVH with all our heart and soul, mightily.

HalleluYAH!

The shabbat/seventh day follows 6 working days.

I observe the cycle of the moon, beginning with Rosh Chodesh.

The New Moon is a separate observance than the weekly shabbat, but is a time to refrain from normal labor or to rest and feast.

It is when we see the first crescent that we know the moon has renewed, the first day of the month has occurred and the feast is over.

It is then lawful to go back to work immediately, thus beginning that month's first 6 days of work followed by a shabbat.


**Edit**

I do not use the Julian calendar at all. It is the Gregorian calendar that we are more or less stuck with for commerce purposes as this is what much of the world uses to conduct business.

Last Edited by PalmOfDeborah on 05/31/2011 05:53 PM

Tirzah,

The best that I can offer you....

is that we agree to disagree....and continue on with our individual paths.

Shalom

There are many Sabbath threads to pick from, Deborah is my friend so I chose hers.

One of these Scripture verses was new to me, a help for me
to understand, it's the last one.

Thank you Mark Mallett, Canadian Catholic apologist and singer. To read his entire writing click on the link, it's the newest, entitled the Solemnity of Peter and Paul. Mark was corresponding with a 7th Day Adventist.

Here it is once again concerning the Sabbath change, if you're Bible Alone, what are you going to with these three Scripture verses?

Sabbath change is written in the Gospel + it has new name + Christianity is here, no need of Old Testament ways, all things have become new. In Christ.

~ + ~ + ~ +


We see that the practice of the Sabbath on Sunday had its roots even in the New Testament. The suggestion of changes in the law, including the Sabbath, is found in the letter to the Colossians:

Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ. (2:16)

It would seem that the Church was being criticized for some change to the Sabbath. Other Scriptures reveal that Sunday, the "first day of the week," became significant to the Christians. The reason is that it is the day the Lord rose from the dead. Hence, the early Christians began to call it "the Lord’s day":

I was caught up in a spirit on the Lord’s day… (Rev 1:10)

The significance of this day as the new Sabbath is also seen in Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.

In the Old Testament, God creates the earth in six days and rests on the seventh. Saturday, according to the Hebraic calendar, became then the Sabbath. But in Christ, creation was renewed according to a new order:

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. (2 Cor 5:17)



[link to www.markmallett.com]

Reminded of the times. There's an ad in the original of this post, the one I just posted, the girl looks like she has no clothes on!!! Cleavage and the photo ends.

Do you think that was intended?

The three Scripture verses are clear, we are no longer in the Old Covenant. The Sabbath has been changed to Sunday to honor Our Lord's resurrection and has a new name, referred to in a new way. The Sabbath is now called the Lord's day.

There are many Sabbath threads to pick from, Deborah is my friend so I chose hers.

One of these Scripture verses was new to me, a help for me
to understand, it's the last one.

Thank you Mark Mallett, Canadian Catholic apologist and singer. To read his entire writing click on the link, it's the newest, entitled the Solemnity of Peter and Paul. Mark was corresponding with a 7th Day Adventist.

Here it is once again concerning the Sabbath change, if you're Bible Alone, what are you going to with these three Scripture verses?

Sabbath change is written in the Gospel + it has new name + Christianity is here, no need of Old Testament ways, all things have become new. In Christ.

~ + ~ + ~ +


We see that the practice of the Sabbath on Sunday had its roots even in the New Testament. The suggestion of changes in the law, including the Sabbath, is found in the letter to the Colossians:

Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ. (2:16)

It would seem that the Church was being criticized for some change to the Sabbath. Other Scriptures reveal that Sunday, the "first day of the week," became significant to the Christians. The reason is that it is the day the Lord rose from the dead. Hence, the early Christians began to call it "the Lord’s day":

I was caught up in a spirit on the Lord’s day… (Rev 1:10)

The significance of this day as the new Sabbath is also seen in Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.

In the Old Testament, God creates the earth in six days and rests on the seventh. Saturday, according to the Hebraic calendar, became then the Sabbath. But in Christ, creation was renewed according to a new order:

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. (2 Cor 5:17)



[link to www.markmallett.com]



hoping Deborah will read this post.

Hello Mary.

Interestingly enough, I did check this thread just now. I haven't looked at it in over a month...and haven't posted much on GLP in many months. My studies take much of the available time that I do have.

I will not be drawn into a heated discussion on any topic. However, if you want Truth regarding Shabbat, I will share it...but know upfront, our conversations will not be in the style they used to.

Maybe I will check back in the coming days or weeks to see if you have replied...

Deb

Interesting!


Hope all is well!




:)

Hi Deb,

I miss you. Are you okay? I worry, dear friends and
family have been physically not doing well lately?


see you and God bless, (I imagine this pic is God
the Father giving you a kiss from Heaven)


Mary

The same Daniel, I hope Deborah is okay and you too...


don't you think, the times makes everyone we know very precious, so much more these days,



Mary

Shalom Mary and Daniel...


Yes, I am well...and pray the same is the case for both of you.

I am currently working on putting together a study. It is in regard to "The Cause of the Poor, Needy, Fatherless, and Widow". I am gathering the Scripture on it now...and will then build an outline...and hopefully teach it to my ladies group soon.

I have missed my GLP'ers...but the absence has been necessary...that doesn't mean I haven't thought of you too.


Here's a "take away" for you...it is a study based on this week's Torah Portion - Balak - Numbers 22:2 - 25:9

[link to www.aish.com]

and additional studies on this week's Portion/Parsha

[link to www.aish.com]

And before anyone asks...no..I am not converting to Orthodox Judaism...but I have learned to glean wisdom and understanding from my brothers and sisters who are practicing Judaism.

Till we meet again...I pray that you continue to seek shalom in Yahuwshua Ha'Mashiach...to the eternal esteem of YAHUAH.

Thank you- the story of Bilam and his donkey was a treat.

Last night's supper included a devout brother practicing Judaism.

We actually found that we had more in common than we had differences.

It was a surprise however that he had never read any of the New Testament and he is a voracious reader.

After a 3 hour discussion, he may now understand that the Messiah's work has not yet finished in order to fulfill the prophecies of the Torah.


Anyway- glad you are well!





:)

I don´t believe the biblical Sabbath has ever corresponded to the day called Saturday on a continuous basis. The lunar sabbatarian method of reckoning weekly Sabbaths requires a monthly interruption in the seven-day cycle. The new moon is the beginning of each month AND of its first week making the seventh day of each month a sabbath.

[link to www.ou.org]

The above link is regarding last week's Parshat - Pinchas - found in Numbers 25:10 - 30:1

This study is about Tzelophchad's daughters and their rights of inheritance. Why did Moshe take their request before YaHuWaH when the instructions for inheritance were already given? What does YaHuWaH want us to see in this story of what these daughters actually received?

I will post information on the next Parshat soon.

Shalom uvRacha,

Deb